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Post by Keystonekid on Feb 1, 2010 16:34:07 GMT -5
if there are four candidates, then UCLA isnt doing a very good job. They shouldnt have candidates. Identify someone go after them. If they turn it down go after your #2 choice. This is UCLA not Towson St. You should call the Athletic Director at UCLA and tell him what he is doing wrong. . I don’t see what is wrong with interviewing multiple candidates. There is no way the AD can tell in advance who is the best fit for UCLA, who he will be comfortable working with, who will accept the compensation package being offered until after the interview process. When all the interviews and information gathering is done, the AD can decide which candidate he wants to give the job offer. Are you saying the AD should know who the best person is before he even talks to that person? Better to have multiple candidates to choose from in my opinion. you are missing my point, or perhaps i'm not making mine clear enough. Given UCLA's status, and the attractiveness of the job, IF they really wanted volleyball to be at the top nationally. They would target someone or small group and go after them. Which to me is, prepare an offer, fly out to see them, and sell them on the job. Not bring in assistants (regardless how good they are) and interview them to see if they SEEM up to the task. Go get someone that you already know is up to the task. Perhaps they have done this, but it doesnt appear that is the case, or its the best kept secret ever in volleyball. Do you think Nebraska would bring in four candidates? Texas wouldn't, Florida wouldnt either. My point being the search in many cases is a reflection of how important the program is. We are the best, and we are going to go out and get the best, is the mentality of the big boys in this business. With all due respect to say a Mike Sealy,(who very well may be the best possible candidate, I don't know) what is the statement if they hired him? Opposed to what is the statement if they went out and got Hugh, or Jerrit, or JMAC. The statement would be "we are all in about womens volleyball at UCLA. Look how football coaches are hired. Coaches fired or retired, new coach named yesterday. The way they appear to be going about it is frankly ordinary. To me, UCLA volleyball is extrordinary and the hiring process should reflect that. |
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Post by tomclen on Feb 1, 2010 16:45:06 GMT -5
KEYSTONE: I see your point...and on many levels I agree with it. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Take, for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the better coaching gigs in the country. They've conducted interviews and their two most recent coaches had ZERO head coaching experience, but both ended up winning Super Bowls.
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Post by BearClause on Feb 1, 2010 16:49:42 GMT -5
KEYSTONE: I see your point...and on many levels I agree with it. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Take, for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the better coaching gigs in the country. They've conducted interviews and their two most recent coaches had ZERO head coaching experience, but both ended up winning Super Bowls. By the same token, how much experience did Banachowski have when he took the job? |
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Post by silversurfer on Feb 1, 2010 16:49:48 GMT -5
Like who, specifically? There just aren't that many GREAT candidates that are from UCLA. Depends on what "GREAT" means. Names mentioned include Mike Sealy and Karch Kiraly. I mentioned Dave Nichols, although I suppose one could have doubts about whether or not he'd be right for the job. Karch is not ready to be a head coach (though some would argue he doesn't need to be), Sealy is not a "great" candidate as he hasn't been a head coach, Nichols has achieved great things, but D1 is a different animal sometimes, and he might not be enough of a "name" for UCLA. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Feb 1, 2010 16:50:17 GMT -5
KEYSTONE: I see your point...and on many levels I agree with it. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Take, for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the better coaching gigs in the country. They've conducted interviews and their two most recent coaches had ZERO head coaching experience, but both ended up winning Super Bowls. Tom, I get that, and like I said Sealy or someone in his position may be the best candidate, and hit it out of the park. I am also admitting, that I dont know that they didnt go after someone, it just appears they didnt. It should also be said, that UCLA flat out may not have the money to do what they really would like to do. It should also be noted, that there is such a thing as the Rooney rule in the NFL and there was no way they where going to target one person, do the interview song and dance and than hire who they wanted to all along. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Feb 1, 2010 16:54:52 GMT -5
KEYSTONE: I see your point...and on many levels I agree with it. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Take, for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the better coaching gigs in the country. They've conducted interviews and their two most recent coaches had ZERO head coaching experience, but both ended up winning Super Bowls. By the same token, how much experience did Banachowski have when he took the job? Bearclause, as I said a first time head coach may be the best person and win 5 titles, I am not saying that at all. I am saying that you could hire a Sealy, a Sullivan etc.. and HOPE they are JMac, or you could hire JMAC and know you are getting a JMAC. Also Andy was hired 40 years ago and I think we can agree, it is a little different business than it was back then. |
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Post by silversurfer on Feb 1, 2010 17:10:08 GMT -5
KEYSTONE: I see your point...and on many levels I agree with it. But, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Take, for example, the Pittsburgh Steelers. One of the better coaching gigs in the country. They've conducted interviews and their two most recent coaches had ZERO head coaching experience, but both ended up winning Super Bowls. By the same token, how much experience did Banachowski have when he took the job? Completely different time, not worth comparing. |
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Post by Mocha on Feb 1, 2010 17:20:59 GMT -5
Yes, completely different time, volleyball had just been invented when Andy took over the UCLA program. ;D
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Post by chipNdink on Feb 1, 2010 17:34:09 GMT -5
Different era, different time, doesn't matter. Look at Dunning at Stanford, before becoming Pacific's head coach and winning 2 National Championships there, he had no experience other than high school and junior club ball. And before coaching in high school, he had never even played volleyball before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 17:35:24 GMT -5
Interesting stuff in Cindy Luis blog
According to her Sealy did not think he would be the choice, BUT McCutcheon turned the job down, so who knows?
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Post by paloalto on Feb 1, 2010 17:49:31 GMT -5
You should call the Athletic Director at UCLA and tell him what he is doing wrong. . I don’t see what is wrong with interviewing multiple candidates. There is no way the AD can tell in advance who is the best fit for UCLA, who he will be comfortable working with, who will accept the compensation package being offered until after the interview process. When all the interviews and information gathering is done, the AD can decide which candidate he wants to give the job offer. Are you saying the AD should know who the best person is before he even talks to that person? Better to have multiple candidates to choose from in my opinion. you are missing my point, or perhaps i'm not making mine clear enough. Given UCLA's status, and the attractiveness of the job, IF they really wanted volleyball to be at the top nationally. They would target someone or small group and go after them. Which to me is, prepare an offer, fly out to see them, and sell them on the job. Not bring in assistants (regardless how good they are) and interview them to see if they SEEM up to the task. Go get someone that you already know is up to the task. Perhaps they have done this, but it doesnt appear that is the case, or its the best kept secret ever in volleyball. Do you think Nebraska would bring in four candidates? Texas wouldn't, Florida wouldnt either. My point being the search in many cases is a reflection of how important the program is. We are the best, and we are going to go out and get the best, is the mentality of the big boys in this business. With all due respect to say a Mike Sealy,(who very well may be the best possible candidate, I don't know) what is the statement if they hired him? Opposed to what is the statement if they went out and got Hugh, or Jerrit, or JMAC. The statement would be "we are all in about womens volleyball at UCLA. Look how football coaches are hired. Coaches fired or retired, new coach named yesterday. The way they appear to be going about it is frankly ordinary. To me, UCLA volleyball is extrordinary and the hiring process should reflect that. UCLA has won more NCAA National Championships (in all sports) than any other school. You are going to tell the UCLA Athletic Director he doesn’t know how to hire head coaches?....I’m not buying what you offer. UCLA won many (the majority) of those National Championships in the less popular sports (not football) and women’s sports. UCLA won so many NCAA championships precisely because the athletic department has focused on the less popular sports. |
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Post by silversurfer on Feb 1, 2010 18:31:15 GMT -5
Different era, different time, doesn't matter. Look at Dunning at Stanford, before becoming Pacific's head coach and winning 2 National Championships there, he had no experience other than high school and junior club ball. And before coaching in high school, he had never even played volleyball before. Yes it does. There's NO WAY someone would / should get hired as the head coach at UCLA right out of college, and they would be ill-prepared for that job. |
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Post by lonewolf on Feb 1, 2010 20:07:56 GMT -5
Different era, different time, doesn't matter. Look at Dunning at Stanford, before becoming Pacific's head coach and winning 2 National Championships there, he had no experience other than high school and junior club ball. And before coaching in high school, he had never even played volleyball before. Yes it does. There's NO WAY someone would / should get hired as the head coach at UCLA right out of college, and they would be ill-prepared for that job. Agreed...just because something works out, doesn't mean it was the best idea, or wasn't pure coincidence/luck. And...just because it worked back then...doesn't mean it will work now. |
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Post by azvb on Feb 1, 2010 21:16:58 GMT -5
Throwing a few names out cuz I have nothing to do until "24" starts:
Charlie Wade: Is he ticked Andy didn't retire last year?
Rod Wilde, Troy Tanner, Don Shaw: Where are they?
Shawn Patchell: More stability at UCLA women than BYU men? BYU not a great place to work right now.
Tom Peterson: Skin is rather pasty to live in California, but he could spray tan.
Ron Larsen?
Paula Weishoff: Rumor a few years ago was she wanted to start a family and that's why she didn't take the ASU job.
Debbie Green: Kids are grown, survived BG.
Debbie Brown: Notre Dame is a good job, but it's so cold and she's from So. Cal.
Edit to add: Rich Feller: Now that Matt is gone, why not? Cheaper, sunnier in So. Cal. Probably makes pretty good $ however at Cal.
And Terry Liskevich: Again, pasty skin is a problem
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Post by Wiz on Feb 1, 2010 21:44:07 GMT -5
Throwing a couple of names out cuz I have nothing to do until "24" starts: Charlie Wade: Is he ticked Andy didn't retire last year? Rod Wilde, Troy Tanner, Don Shaw: Where are they? Shawn Patchell: More stability at UCLA women than BYU men? BYU not a great place to work right now. Tom Peterson: Skin is rather pasty to live in California, but he could spray tan. Ron Larsen? Paula Weishoff: Rumor a few years ago was she wanted to start a family and that's why she didn't take the ASU job. Debbie Green: Kids are grown, survived BG. Debbie Brown: Notre Dame is a good job, but it's so cold and she's from So. Cal. All good choices minus Charlie Wade from the list. I like Don Shaw because of his resume with the Women's Program at Stanford winning 3 NCAA Titles (1992, 1996, 1997). I really like Debbie Green too! But I don't know, I'm sure whoever the athletic department hires will do a great job!!!! |
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