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Post by beatyoudown on Mar 8, 2006 3:00:10 GMT -5
As what I have noticed is that there are not enough D1 NCAA programs in the Midwest. So my question is: Are the D1 caliber players playing club ball because there is a lack of NCAA D1 programs in the Midwest or that the NCAA Programs overlook the Midwest, for it seems to have a minuscule volleyball nature?
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Post by eiva on Mar 8, 2006 3:25:03 GMT -5
D1 Midwest, I think of the Big Ten. The club players are rejected HS players that simply cannot play with the likes of Ohio State and Penn State. Keep them against like teams and they will be ok. (If in doubt...have the club winner invite PSU or OSU for a game.)
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Post by nellakwah21 on Mar 8, 2006 9:03:05 GMT -5
I would agree that most club players couldn't play with OSU and PSU, but I wouldn't say they are HS rejects. It is a matter of size. Each position in club vs. NCAA is about 3-4 inches shorter. Not many players are going to play college ball out of state either if they aren't gonna start on the team, in addition to a miniscule scholarship. I'm pretty many club players have been recruited by various varsity teams, in fact I know this is true. I don't want to debate this here for the 20th time, varsity ball is great, but it is not the end all validation of the sport.
Oshkosh, Illinois, and a few other club teams have beaten a bunch of various varsity teams, even if they are not your powerhouses,. I would say right now they are above Quincy, Lewis, Mercyhurst, Clarke, and a bunch of NAIA teams. I bet OSU and PSU wouldn't play a club team. Make them practice 5 times a week, condition, and coach them, and they would hold their own against all of the weaker EIVA conference. If in doubt...well...the club teams are always waiting for the chance to play the varsity hot shots...and at least the midwest teams are open to putting themselves out there.....I doubt the programs back east would have the guts to try it.
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Post by mumvb on Mar 8, 2006 19:28:26 GMT -5
Take your UWOs, U of Is, and MUs, coach them, condition them, practice five days a week... you have a top calibur team right there.
I think the best person to use to compare is Andy Hein. The kid was GOOD in high school. I was never that impressed, and I personally thought he'd pine out west. Well.... when you have a ridiculous program, you can go from good to DAMN good. Now, the midwest club has middles like that. Mike Semrad or Fabrisious (sp?) for example. Give those guys the benefits of a varsity team and I would guarentee an amazing outcome.
Club is really just untapped talent. Not all schools get as much talent as the next, but every now and then, you get your programs like UWO that will get lucky, or MU about 4 years ago when they found 4 freshmen that would end up starting in their first year.
Don't get me wrong... the Rooneys of the world will find a school out west that will take them, as will any other player of that calibur... but the middle rung guys stuck in the land of corn with piles of potential and vertical advantage? They'll most likely go unscouted and probably seek an engineering degree or something.
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Post by iavb08 on Mar 8, 2006 19:53:03 GMT -5
I am not a club player, so I can't speak for all of them, but I would imagine there are reasons beyond volleyball that go into their choices for schools. Marquette, for example, is a very good school for engineering, so I would venture a guess that some of their players are there for the education, and want to play volleyball on the side. Along those same lines, some people don't want to put in the time to play a NCAA sport...DI, II, or III, any way you go its a lot of time and work, some people would rather dedicate their energy towards other exploits...partying?...maybe.
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Post by MarqVB11 on Mar 8, 2006 20:44:33 GMT -5
Not sure I understand what your thread is getting at, but...until last year, western club teams were the club equivalent of NCAA D1 western teams. The western dominance of club has declined slowly over the years, but they still held the edge, usually with 3 of the final 4 teams being from western states. Until last year, when it became apparent that the midwest has caught up with the west. One year is a start, and I think it could continue with Oshkosh and MSU/U of I this year, but I don't think you can say that the Midwest clubs are equally dominating club ball the way the west dominates DI varsity ball.
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Post by vb on Mar 9, 2006 0:24:16 GMT -5
I would agree that most club players couldn't play with OSU and PSU, but I wouldn't say they are HS rejects. It is a matter of size. Each position in club vs. NCAA is about 3-4 inches shorter. Not many players are going to play college ball out of state either if they aren't gonna start on the team, in addition to a miniscule scholarship. I'm pretty many club players have been recruited by various varsity teams, in fact I know this is true. I don't want to debate this here for the 20th time, varsity ball is great, but it is not the end all validation of the sport. Oshkosh, Illinois, and a few other club teams have beaten a bunch of various varsity teams, even if they are not your powerhouses,. I would say right now they are above Quincy, Lewis, Mercyhurst, Clarke, and a bunch of NAIA teams. I bet OSU and PSU wouldn't play a club team. Make them practice 5 times a week, condition, and coach them, and they would hold their own against all of the weaker EIVA conference. If in doubt...well...the club teams are always waiting for the chance to play the varsity hot shots...and at least the midwest teams are open to putting themselves out there.....I doubt the programs back east would have the guts to try it. A great club player could easily transfer to a D1 program if he was truly that great. Both the NCAA and the coaching staffs would welcome it. Since it doesn't happen, I challenge your claims. As far as D1s playing against club teams....this is what the preseason is for. Ask around...your club team may be surprised. |
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Post by mikesmith on Mar 9, 2006 14:15:09 GMT -5
If a club team were to ask a Division 1 team to play in the fall, they would most likely say yes. I'm sure they would welcome a team they could play many of their non-starters against. That type of playing experience is in-valuable.
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Post by chilulu on Mar 9, 2006 14:15:10 GMT -5
I will agree that out of high school there are some players that get recruited by D1 teams but choose to go to big party schools. But thats only a handful of kids each year. The rest of the players are nowhere near the D1 level. The easiest excuse is that D1 players get to practice everyday, but its a commitment, nothing is preventing club players from playing everyday. The best thing I can say about club is that they are playing for fun, playing D1 is a grind for the whole year. From a volleyball standpoint the two shouldn't be compared.
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Post by mumvb on Mar 9, 2006 19:56:22 GMT -5
^Shouldn't be compared?
They're both volleyball aren't they?
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Post by nellakwah21 on Mar 9, 2006 21:19:06 GMT -5
As far as nothing stopping club teams from practicing everyday....that is completely wrong. One, the commitment, the school gives clubs NO exemptions when it comes to homework, traveling, and schedules, and why should they? Also, some schools would have to start paying to have that much gym time from the school, and since all clubs are self-funded, thats not going happen anytime soon. Its better spent on traveling costs, apparel, and tournament entry fees. It isn't an excuse, it is a reality whether you choose to see it or not.
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Post by mumvb on Mar 9, 2006 23:49:03 GMT -5
Marquette got booted from their court for intramurals.
Intramurals brings in 5 bucks a player... that's more than club.
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Post by star035 on Mar 10, 2006 9:29:04 GMT -5
If a club team were to ask a Division 1 team to play in the fall, they would most likely say yes. I'm sure they would welcome a team they could play many of their non-starters against. That type of playing experience is in-valuable. That's why this past fall's tournament at Loyola was so great. Varsity, club, and alumni teams all mixed together. Ilinois' club team beats Quincy ...but then loses to Loyola's subs. UWO gives Loyola's starters (I'm quite sure it was their starters) a good battle. It was good to see that mix. |
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Post by beatyoudown on Mar 10, 2006 14:21:38 GMT -5
^ from What I am To understand UWO didn't have all there starters there also.
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Post by Lew8ftln on Mar 10, 2006 16:16:58 GMT -5
^ from What I am To understand UWO didn't have all there starters there also. Oshkosh had it's fourth middle playing middle and it's second middle playing right side for that tourney. |
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