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Post by UcantBSme on Mar 10, 2006 10:06:06 GMT -5
Proving my point, once again. Loyola went 0-3 on the West coast, even losing to Cal Baptist. This is the "HOT TEAM" in the MIVA with the GREAT RECORD, and up until just recently the "Best offense in the country". In their 3 matches out here, they hit a very AVERAGE .282% as a team. Hardly the "Best offense in the country". At least they had the guts to play some MPSF teams, unlike BALL STATE, but the only thing keeping them from a 5 match losing streak is their scheduled match at home next week with Carthage, because after that, they go to Hawaii for 2 quick losses. I knew their hitting % wouldn't hold up against real competition, but I give them credit for at least playing some REAL competition. And to answer you "cardalum", FUND RAISE. ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME THAT BALL STATE HAS A SMALLER BUDGET THAN QUINCY, LEWIS, LOYOLA?? All 3 of those teams are out here this week. So BSU had some budget cuts. I refuse to believe that their current budget is less than these other teams that all found a way to improve their schedules and come out and play some REAL teams. Fund Raise some money, have a few Car Washes, get a few sponsors, DO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. I'm not believing Ball State couldn't afford to play a tougher schedule. You Can't BS Me.
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Post by cardalum on Mar 13, 2006 0:16:33 GMT -5
Why would I BS you about their budget? I've agreed on a number of your points and have simply explained some of the challenges the program faces. A number of alum's all agree that the schedule needs to be tougher. If you want answers, call Joel. We fund raise to keep the program alive and if there isn't enbough money to go out west, then so be it. I don't know what the budgets are at Lewis, Quincy or Loyola so I'm not saying theirs is any bigger than BSU's, I just know that what the school gives BSU and what we as alumni need to donate.
And for the last time, while in real terms they ARE NOT now the best team in the country statistically and have fallen since, they WERE at the time BSU played them. And this time I'm not saying this to defend Joel or the program, I'd be making this same argument for any other team. Numbers don't lie. Other teams may be playing better competition and have some stronger hitters, but if School 1 is averaging .330 playing terrible teams and School 2 is averaging .292 against tougher teams, according to the numbers, school one is better offensively. While they may not tell the entire story, numbers do not lie. That is not BS. Right now one team, and I don't know who it is, is leading the country in hitting percentage. Is that the best offensive team? If a team has the best attackers in the country but plays in a tough league and doesn't have a great percentage, I'm sorry, they aren't the "best" offensive team.
Are you trying to tell me then that in any other sport if a team is leading the country in scoring or whatever they are not the best offensive team?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2006 0:23:05 GMT -5
I think a couple of weeks ago NEW HAVEN was the best hitting team.
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Post by Beachy on Mar 13, 2006 0:46:18 GMT -5
If I was trying to fund raise for Loyola, I would most certainly brag about the "best offense" in the nation in order to better raise funds. So UBSme should let them have their stat while they can, so they can fund raise so they can play out west and ruin their stats.
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Post by UcantBSme on Mar 13, 2006 9:19:01 GMT -5
"Cardalum" I'm not saying you are BS'ing me that their budget was reduced and that it is a lot less than it use to be. I'm saying that I refuse to believe that, at its current level, that it is any less than some of the other small schools in the MIVA that all made trips out here this year! That is what I said. And once again, the point of this thread was to point out that Loyola's hitting percentage didn't hold up on the West coast, just as I said it wouldn't!
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Post by CityTechLegend on Mar 13, 2006 12:00:27 GMT -5
Here we go again...... Yes Loyola's stats did not hold up on their west coast trip. You are being obvious with the statement. No ones stats hold up out west. Even international teams stats don't hold up. The point of this thread, and the point that "cardalum" are making are two different ones. Point one (1)...Loyola's offense isn't as strong as there stats suggest...Maybe. They had a rough trip to the west coast. Now what will happen is that Coach Davis will go back to Chicago, study film with his players and figure out a way to beat Hawai'i. Then maybe they will have a chance of proving some people wrong. Maybe, their offense is stronger than you think though. Out most of the teams that have gone west I believe that Loyola has the highest % of them all in all of their losses. Most of the stat lines I have seen for none west coast visiting teams has been bellow .200%. So that tells me that Loyola's offense is pretty good if they are about the average % of most MPSF teams when they play MPSF teams. Point two (2) WEAK schedule due to money..... Well this is a fact. All east & midwest teams have this problem. The budgets for Lewis, Quincy and Loyola not with standing, I have stated in past postings that the old AD for BSU cut the teams budget significantly. He also elliminated their ability to garner moneys from the rest of the athletics pool, or so the story goes. The old AD was a hard line FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL GUY. He wanted to cut the men's vball program. The only program at the time that had a winning record. I remember getting letters about this three or four years ago. This was also around the time that they went to the final four. It made him very un-popular with the student body, and many of the faculty. You can't blame Walton for the weak schedule either. It was set up for him by the old AD. in some institutions the AD's handle the scheduling. I believe this weas the case for BSU. How do you keep a program down, have them play weak competitoin so when they get to playoffs they suck, make the school look bad and now you have a reason to cut the program or get rid of the coach. A bit crued but it has been done before. Heck, when the SD State coach left the AD dropped the program without thinking about it. No coach no program. They didn't even think about looking for a new coach. Look, both points are true. No one on here is denying that. Yes Loyola had it rough out west, but the experience will help them get better. Isn't that the ultimate goal? Get better as playoffs get closer? Be ready for the tough competition of the F4? Eventually things will settle in BSU's case. Hopefully they will get enough fundraising money and such to travel more next year. However, until then give the team a break. They did play MPSF teams the year they went to the FF and the beat some of them. It will happen again, just not this year.
BSU's situation though has no baring on this thread and let us NOT revisit this "dead, beaten horse" anymore!
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Post by gitrdun on Mar 13, 2006 19:33:49 GMT -5
can there be a limit on the length of our posts here?
If you can't say it in a short paragraph, send a letter or e-mail.
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Post by vbchips on Mar 13, 2006 22:21:12 GMT -5
Loyola hit right around what BYU hit against UC Irvine .257 - .270, the percentages will drop against better teams but they still hit very respectably against the number one team in the nation.
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Post by volleynutt on Mar 14, 2006 21:58:41 GMT -5
I hope Loyola represents in the miva finals so they can prove what they have
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Post by mikesmith on Mar 16, 2006 5:02:42 GMT -5
Which is what?
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