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Post by parttimer on Mar 8, 2003 23:56:32 GMT -5
it has yet to be posted - thanks.
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Post by tigfan on Mar 9, 2003 0:43:31 GMT -5
UOP over Lewis 3-0
very ugly match by both teams...but the MPSF dominated. Tough trip for Lewis...welcome to the big leagues.
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Post by Midwestfan on Mar 9, 2003 9:49:29 GMT -5
"Tough trip for Lewis"?
From what I recall, it's been a while since a MIVA team went out west and won as many matches as they lost. I think that this was a great trip for Lewis because it showed them that they can beat any MPSF team, when their heads are in the game.
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Post by Rho Iota Alpha on Mar 9, 2003 15:50:43 GMT -5
...yeah, lewis can take down anybody, like they did to usc...whoops, usc (the 2nd worst in the mpsf) won that one! ucla was toying with their line up and lewis still struggled to win...i watched the stanford game and they (stanford) played like crap...i watched the uop game too, uop took it to them and they had no answer, even choking away the third game having several game points...go midwest!!! you're really doing it!!! MPSF is just too good...sorry!  |
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Post by sweetieVBfan on Mar 9, 2003 15:57:17 GMT -5
let's not forget that lewis is a div.2 team, meaning they don't get as much money to give away as scholarships. hard to get a lot of good players when you can't give them money.
and so what you're saying is that wins over UCLA and Stanford don't mean anything? i think what it means is that lewis CAN compete in the mpsf and would be an average team. look at the mpsf: every team is beating each other. lewis just did the same.
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Post by VBDOG on Mar 9, 2003 16:29:50 GMT -5
They give players money ,just in different ways!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Beachy on Mar 10, 2003 0:06:36 GMT -5
It is my understanding that D2 schools do operate under a different set of rules that D1 but in volleyball where scholies are so few, it actually works in the favor of D2 schools. They are able to recruit some athletes that are otherwise ineligible for D1, especially the older, foreign athlete. I am not an expert so please don't take my word as gospel here. Maybe someone more familiar with the rules could help. So Lewis may have an advantage being a D2 school, not a disadvantage.
Kudos to Lewis for beating several MPSF schools on their west coast trip. The storied history of schools such as UCLA, Stanford and USC (oops) make a victory over them memorable.
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Post by vballmom on Mar 10, 2003 8:49:55 GMT -5
D2 schools are allowed to give the same number of scholarships as D1 schools and they have to follow the same rules.
DIII cannot offer athletic scholarships at all, but they can offer talent scholarships and academic money, so their players can be better off if the school sets aside money for that, but that is up to each school. I know kids who would likely sit the bench in most DI programs that are getting a tremendous amount of money to play DIII and they are getting to play.
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Post by Midwestfan on Mar 10, 2003 9:48:55 GMT -5
From what I remember, DII schools have greater flexibility in terms of age of players.
Also, don't overlook NAIA schools. These schools ARE allowed to give volleyball scholarships and some aggresively do. NAIA schools frequently compete with DIII schools, and William Woods even beat Loyola (DI) this year. A lot of good volleyball is played at the NAIA level.
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Post by Midwestfan on Mar 10, 2003 9:56:43 GMT -5
... and taking it a step further, most schools without varsity teams sponsor college club teams, again, with some good volleyball being played. The top 10 NIRSA DI schools (listed below) can beat a lot of varsity programs.
1. Indiana
2. Arizona
3. Providence
4. Loyola Marymount
5. Texas A&M
6. Penn State
7. Oshkosh
8. Ball State
9. Cal Poly SLO
10. Central Florida
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Post by vballmom on Mar 10, 2003 11:19:36 GMT -5
Good point! Go UCF!! (my alma mater)  They have a lot of Orlando Gold players on their team, naturally. |
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Post by KnowingVB on Mar 12, 2003 17:13:18 GMT -5
The match scores were 30-24, 30-27, 34-32, Pacific in 3. Pacific hit .394 to .235 for Lewis and except for aces, the box score shows that Pacific outplayed them in every category. Would someone please explain to the midwest fans out there that it is going to take a school to recruit 6 quality players from California to ever make a statement when they come out here. If Lewis can't do it with 6 foreign players, including a couple professionals, then who can?
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Post by vball710 on Mar 12, 2003 18:41:08 GMT -5
First of all, lewis doesn't have 6 foreign players on their team, let alone on the court at one time. Second of all, there are quality players in places other than california. For example, Sean Rooney came from Illnois, a state which is putting out a good number of quality players. I'm not saying that Illinois puts out as many good players as California, because California has by far the most, but that there are other places that quality players come from. While I don't agree with the amount of foreign players on Lewis' roster, I know that they have factors other than just volleyball that they have to deal with when recruiting a player. Who would really want to go out to Romeoville, Illinois when they could be on the beach in California? They have to deal with California kids thinking that they are too good for Lewis and people that would rather play at junior colleges than go to lewis. Right now there are only 2 people on their roster who are from california, which goes to show you that for some reason or another california kids don't want to go to lewis. Don't say that its cause Dave Deuser doesn't recruit them, cause i know for a fact thats not true. He just happens to have a better connection with puerto rico than california.
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Post by Midwestfan on Mar 13, 2003 9:51:39 GMT -5
If Dueser liked ouzo he might do better in California ;D
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Post by Piglet on Mar 13, 2003 15:59:43 GMT -5
who is OUZO?
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They have a lot of Orlando Gold players on their team, naturally.