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Post by pepperdoody on Apr 18, 2006 9:31:35 GMT -5
How does a div . 1 coach with Preston's " credentials " let a top player become academically ineligible . The Athletic director needs to look at this very closely and determine if a change is needed at the helm of this program . They actually were playing very well and on a good night could beat up on some very good teams . SHAME ON YOU MR. PRESTON !!!
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Post by volleydog on Apr 18, 2006 10:02:36 GMT -5
Did you miss the thread that went through this whole thing Doody?
It's pretty much on the player. Coaches can only do so much, if a player chooses to half-ass their schooling....shame on them, not the coach.
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Post by UcantBSme on Apr 18, 2006 10:22:05 GMT -5
A coach should monitor his players progress, PERIOD! It is a well known fact that Preston spends more time at the beach surfing than he does working with or developing his team. UCSB should be a dominate MPSF team. How easy is it to recruit to Santa Barbara? Preston doesn't work very hard there. This is no surprise.
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Post by matchpt on Apr 18, 2006 10:39:01 GMT -5
Is there some "troll-ing" going on here? I thought this thread has already played out.
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Post by pepperdoody on Apr 18, 2006 11:18:43 GMT -5
IT IS NOT UP TO A PLAYER COMPLETELY !!! The coach should be or he should delegate an assistant to monitor all aspects of the program , including player eligibilty . I brouhgt it up again because I felt PATAK was and is at fault but SO is the coaching satff
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Apr 18, 2006 12:22:38 GMT -5
IT IS NOT UP TO A PLAYER COMPLETELY !!! The coach should be or he should delegate an assistant to monitor all aspects of the program , including player eligibilty . I brouhgt it up again because I felt PATAK was and is at fault but SO is the coaching satff Personal opinion, coach shouldn't offer money or spot on roster to someone who can't stay focused enough to at least make the minimum grade to stay elgible. Let them try to make it as a pro where it doesn't matter.
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Post by pepperdoody on Apr 18, 2006 12:29:21 GMT -5
LET'S GET THIS RIGHT ! They both goofed up , but in my opinion the coach is just as responsible as the player , HE has the whole program to think about and if one player let's HIM down HE also let everyone down !!!
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Post by vb on Apr 18, 2006 12:32:30 GMT -5
In the recruiting process, it was explained to me by all 5 schools that the academic progress is closely checked....almost every week. I know my parents were very interested in this aspect of the university. Without exception, we were introduced to the academic advisor and discussions were held about what their job was.
Incoming recruits (and parents) will look at this Patak situation, and it will affect the recruiting process.
I personally did not visit UCSB. Here in the midwest we avoid that school because of over-recruiting, decreased coaching interest, relative volleyball importance and low percentage of incoming freshman playing all 4 years and graduation. (high vb dropout). But it sounds to me that somebody in authority dropped the ball. The whole thing smells.
An investigation should be done.
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Post by vbparasite on Apr 18, 2006 14:05:42 GMT -5
The top UC's are so competitive that 4.0 AP students are not getting admitted. UCSB admitted 20,000 this year (out of over 40,000 applicants) with an average GPA of 3.9. UCI has similar stats to UCSB - UCSD had an average GPA of 4.1. UCLA and USC were even more competitive. Stanford? Give it up.
The athletic departments and the athletes representing these schools have their work cut out for them. Your average "3.5" volleyball stud has got to compete with top students who are spending hours studying instead of weight training and practicing volleyball. Add to that missed classes for the travelling team and you better have sympathetic professors and a great support system.
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Post by pepperdoody on Apr 18, 2006 17:26:19 GMT -5
Get a life parasite , no volleyball players are coming in with 3.5 , more like 2.7 - 3.2 , 1070 -1130 sat's . Not much more is needed if you can hit a ball or swing a bat . Especially football and basketball players . See Cala and his SAT endeavors . He isn't Einstein . The ONLY exception is Stanford ( check out their record this year ) 2 - 20 ouch,and lost to UCSD in the last game of the season.
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Post by swingaway on Apr 18, 2006 18:13:29 GMT -5
Pepperdoody, disagree or make one of your lame comments, but unless you have access to the admission records of a bunch of schools, don't cite stats for grades and SAT's.
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Post by lalalaluuuke on Apr 18, 2006 18:32:16 GMT -5
How does a div . 1 coach with Preston's " credentials " let a top player become academically ineligible . The Athletic director needs to look at this very closely and determine if a change is needed at the helm of this program . They actually were playing very well and on a good night could beat up on some very good teams . SHAME ON YOU MR. PRESTON !!! Preston concerns himself with players that may not be eligible only if they play for other schools. If Patak played for BYU Mr. Preston would have been all over him. If one of his "sources" that gave him his info in years past about other schools' athletes would have tipped him about his own player, I'm sure he would have listened.
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Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 18, 2006 18:44:07 GMT -5
OK...There is a base requirment for SAT's and GPA to enter schools and receive a scholarship and on top of that you have to be cleared anyway by the NCAA Clearing House. So if there are any questions on that go to the NCAA website.
I agree with BS and Doody in one simple case, both coach and player fouled this up. I am given progress reports every week by my players professors. I am EXPECTED, by my Athletics Director to meet with my players and their advisors to insure their academic success. That part is on me. When a student is under my watch I MUST, MUST, MUST be parent, mentor and teacher. This happens before, during and after the season. That is where Preston might be blamed. I don't know how things are done at UCSB but that's how we do it at my institution.
The bulk of the blame goes to Patak. If you don't care enough about your grades and your collegiate future there is no amount of advisement, lecturing or scolding that will set you straight. If you care only about yourself and forget that you have obliged yourself to not just a coach but to your teammates, your school and your family name (reputation) then aren't much of a person. NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU CAN HIT A BALL. The UC system has some of the toughest requirments out there when it comes to academics. Patak knowing that went to UCSB, I'm not sure where SB lands academically in the UC system but tough is tough. Make the effort to be there for your teammmates and most of all yourself.
He let more than just his team and school down, he let himself down, but that's my opinion.
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Post by midwestfan on Apr 18, 2006 20:29:46 GMT -5
We need to give this kid a break and get off his back. He made a mistake, I'm sure he knows that and feels pretty d**n bad about it. Matchpt is correct, this was extensively covered before... not much else left to say!
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Post by 3talltrees on Apr 18, 2006 21:50:17 GMT -5
Is it typically the coach's job to stay on top of the academics (and, if so, to what degree?) or do most of the other MPSF schools have someone in the academic advisory areas to handle the tracking of athletes' grades throughout the term? It is odd to have some athletes susceptible to becoming academically inelegible during the season and others not, depending upon whether their school is on the quarter or semester system.
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