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Post by maplespear on Oct 1, 2010 19:43:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider Cassidy as THE top setter this year. She gets it done in that position but she's not the best by far. Lexi is too flashy for her own good. She doesn't need to overhand set all the low passes then fall to the ground. She can easily bump set those. Lloyd and Hagglund are doing well. Anderson gets my vote for the best setter this year. Too bad she doesn't get to set full time and when she is setting. She sets the frosh instead of Licht. Licht is more terminal and [glow=red,2,300]Cook probably has his daughter setting Licht to make her look good[/glow]. Don't get me wrong, I love Lauren Cook (she's amazing) but Anderson has done a great job the previous years and I don't get it why she's not setting a 5-1. If Coach Cook thought like that he wouldn't have the one of the best winning records. Secondly, Lauren was FOY last year and you gonna bench her?
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Post by vballpac on Oct 1, 2010 19:49:18 GMT -5
Lauren Cook is good, but it was a weak year for freshmen last year and she was the best candidate. She did not make the All Pac 10 team and was not an All American. Not trying at all to take away from her performance, just stating facts. Usually the FOY is an All American and puts up that kind of performance. It is harder for a setter to do that I contend, but I do believe who she is had at least a little to do with it.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 1, 2010 19:55:51 GMT -5
She went from seldom used bench player to starter for a top 10 team. You can't improve much more than that. you are understating the circumstances. Was she honestly gonna see setting time when Alisha Glass is on the roster?....ummmm no. and its not like she has AA level competition right now....a freshmen and a 4 year backup setter? right..... like I said how can you be most improved if there is NOTHING by which to judge you? It would be like every freshmen out there is "most improved"...seems kinda silly. I will say Carpenter is a quality setter, but most improved seems like an award she is in no position to earn.
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Post by smiley on Oct 1, 2010 19:56:41 GMT -5
If two setters grew up in the same vicinity, going head to head in HS, club, and college and one has the majority of the wins is she the better setter?
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Post by Thrill of the 'ville on Oct 1, 2010 20:23:32 GMT -5
I totally understand Murphy not leading the votes (I didn't even vote for her) but how is she only receiving one more vote than Haen and two more than Bateman? And how is Lloyd receiving more?
I'm not trying to be a homer, I'm just trying to understand how people justify it as I've seen every setter on here play in person, online, or on TV but not as often as I have seen Murphy (plus, I'm no volleyball expert). So give me some serious insight here please.
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Post by vballpac on Oct 1, 2010 20:28:08 GMT -5
Probably the dynamic of who is on this board voting and who is not. There are many more west coast volleyball posters on this board than Florida fans I would hazard a guess. I for one think Murphy is far ahead of Haen as a player. Haen puts up a nice ball, but is nowhere near the athletic ability of Murphy and Lloyd.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 1, 2010 20:28:56 GMT -5
I totally understand Murphy not leading the votes (I didn't even vote for her) but how is she only receiving one more vote than Haen and two more than Bateman? And how is Lloyd receiving more? I'm not trying to be a homer, I'm just trying to understand how people justify it as I've seen every setter on here play in person, online, or on TV but not as often as I have seen Murphy (plus, I'm no volleyball expert). So give me some serious insight here please. Murphy's issue will always be that she sets part-time....its these other players we can evaluate them from start to finish, off a good pass and a bad pass...when times are good and when times are tough. With Murphy, from the matches I've seen, when times get tough Murphy is hitting, not setting. Plus if we are evaluating on just SETTING (location, tempo, deceptiveness, etc.), Murphy is not the best setter.(Note: I'm NOT saying Bateman or Haen are "better")
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Post by smiley on Oct 1, 2010 20:35:27 GMT -5
How is Haen, or anyone else, not athletic? Athletic ability is what makes a good setter? Isn't the main JOB of a good setter putting up "a good ball"? If you can't put up a good ball how does being "athletic" make you a good setter?
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Post by GatorVball on Oct 1, 2010 20:38:02 GMT -5
Actually, if you've watched Florida at all, when times get tough, Florida switches to a 5-1 with Murphy setting and having the ability to attack the 2nd ball. They've not been in trouble much this season, but at the end of tight sets, this has happened several times this year. I still saw a set out of her tonight that few setters could make, the one to Wiggs near the end of the 1st set. I even saw the Gator bench just shake their head in awe at what she did with it.
I wouldn't say Murphy is the best setter because she's so much more than a setter. I know I'd pick her and Lichtman 1 and 1a to build a team around because of their talent, but also their desire to win and their ability to make everyone around them better. They're just volleyball players, position not defined.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 3:26:13 GMT -5
Isn't the main JOB of a good setter putting up "a good ball"? That is not the main job as a setter. A setter's main job comes down to two things: knowing how to win and leading. Everything else comes after that. No question.
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Post by lastyear on Oct 2, 2010 15:01:15 GMT -5
Probably the dynamic of who is on this board voting and who is not. There are many more west coast volleyball posters on this board than Florida fans I would hazard a guess. I for one think Murphy is far ahead of Haen as a player. Haen puts up a nice ball, but is nowhere near the athletic ability of Murphy and Lloyd. "Haen not being athletic" forced me to figure out how to post a response. I haven't watched Murphy or Lloyd (except for USA matches). But I have seen others. Just because she doesn't fall down when she sets the ball doesn't mean she is not athletic. Unless the ball is in the stands, she makes the second contact work. And when we were running a 6-2 because she was the junior setter, she ended up playing the front row instead of the 6-? hitter because, to quote the coach, "good things happened when she was on the court". An example he gave---she got enough fingers on the block so that the back row could defend the hits. And I don't remember her loosing a joust no matter how tall the opposing girl was. Concerning AA11's "leadership", Kevin made the comment that after the Penn State match he didn't need to make the "just because you beat Penn State doesn't mean that you don't need to win against Ohio State or it will be just another 1-1 weekend in the Big Ten" speech because Haen had already made it in the team meeting after the match. And, when she discovered that she had to help DeBruler stand up after the Penn State match, she told her that she did not have to do autographs and to go to the locker room to get some rest. Fortunately, "knowing how to win" does not always require good "decision making" for some teams.
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Post by NickiMinaj on Oct 2, 2010 15:12:54 GMT -5
I really liked Bre Payton when I saw her play at Minnesota. Puts the ball over on 2 a little too much for me but she did set some very hittable balls.
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Post by vbdolly on Oct 2, 2010 15:26:16 GMT -5
I really liked Bre Payton when I saw her play at Minnesota. Puts the ball over on 2 a little too much for me but she did set some very hittable balls. I fee like setters who put the ball over on 2 too much are frustrated hitters. I mean your job is to set your hitters not to be a hitter. I think 1-2 dumps per set is ideal to keep the blockers honest. I also don't like setters who set the ball over on two (not dump). It's like not having faith in your hitters.
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Post by storm13coach2013 on Oct 2, 2010 15:29:03 GMT -5
Kellie Catanach at Duke is a very good setter. She has started since she was a freshman and runs a talented Duke offense. If they could only improve their defense...
Minnesota has two talented, 6'2" setters who have great hands, are fast around the court, and can attack the ball. Maybe they could get a combined slot, and name them Tabberucci?
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Post by tenfootliner on Oct 2, 2010 16:30:21 GMT -5
Lexi Zimmerman
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