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Post by Huskerhawk on Oct 2, 2010 19:48:46 GMT -5
I voted for Murphy more because of how effective she is when she is not setting so I guess maybe I don't believe she is one of the best setters but one of the best players. IMO she has made an argument for POY.
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Post by chisovnik on Oct 2, 2010 19:57:26 GMT -5
So, you've seen every setter in the country and decided that Zimmermann topped all of them? Your post would've made more sense if it started with, "In my opinion...". Practice what you preach buddy Touche'. However, only 6-7 setters are listed for this poll. It wasn't necessary to see every single setter in the country to participate. You only need to have seen the setters listed. "You aren't getting it. 'Better' is subjective. It's dependent on many things, not including one person's particular bias. 'Lexi Zimmerman is an exceptional setter' would've gotten the job done just as well and wouldn't have seemed like such hyperbole. You could make an argument for dozens of outstanding setters last year and this year, but the point is that it doesn't matter cause it can't be proven or even possibly evaluated. Making over-the-top statements like that are just pointless... "
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Post by BearClause on Oct 2, 2010 20:17:27 GMT -5
YTD Statistics through 9/29: Rank Player Assists % NR Kelly Murphy NA #2 Hillary Haen 12.34 NR Sydney Anderson NA NR Cassidy Lichtman 14.32 #41 Lexi Zimmerman 10.62 #12 Carli Lloyd 11.63 #4 Kendall Bateman 12.23 As stated I believe the numbers speak volumes. Also need to look at W-L record. you can't just look at the assists per set stat in a vacuum. for one thing, Zimmerman is one of the more offensive setters on this list (save the ones who're in a 6-2 system). she averages almost 1.5 kills per set, so naturally her assists per set stat will also be lower. Lichtman's assists/game doesn't exist in a vacuum either; it can't simply be doubled. Sometimes she might take charge as a backup setter, and Stanford sometimes goes to a 5-1.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 2, 2010 20:36:36 GMT -5
I have no doubt she impressed you immensely. As a good as she might have been today (I haven't seen the match), she can also go ice cold. I prefer a steadier "hand" at that position. I've never seen Lexi as the reason that UM has lost a match. I've never seen her go ice cold and I've watched her play more than a few times. Also, I don't get why you put the word "hand" in quotations... It was a pun on setters needing "hands.." Well, Elite 8 last year against Hawaii, Lexi's location was off, and her emotions really unbalanced her team. Same story when they got swept by Oregon State last year. I saw her a few other times and she was amazing. But you can tell when she's amazing that she's really an emotion-based setter, and that swings both ways.
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Post by VBCOACH on Oct 2, 2010 20:52:31 GMT -5
she attacks the ball way too much. As a matter of fact, through last week games, Lexi has attacked the ball 219 times! Ouch. Thought she was suppose to be setting!! Well then, you must have really hated Julie Bremner when she played at Penn State. When the setter is coming from the back row, she has three attackers to set. There's no reason she can't be the third attacker when she is in the front row.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 2, 2010 21:06:12 GMT -5
you can't just look at the assists per set stat in a vacuum. for one thing, Zimmerman is one of the more offensive setters on this list (save the ones who're in a 6-2 system). she averages almost 1.5 kills per set, so naturally her assists per set stat will also be lower. Lichtman's assists/game doesn't exist in a vacuum either; it can't simply be doubled. Sometimes she might take charge as a backup setter, and Stanford sometimes goes to a 5-1. yup which it looks like is what happened against OSU yesterday ...
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Post by mplssetter on Oct 2, 2010 23:16:44 GMT -5
She's a First-Team All-American. She's doing something right. Michigan's success over the past 3 years is due, in it's entirety, to Lexi Zimmerman. Rosen has built the program around her and she's the reason that they've been a top Big Ten team during her tenure. She's an amazing setter. Almost no other setter that I've seen takes the risks that Lexi takes. Falling onto the ground doesn't make you a bad setter. Getting your hands to every ball should be seen as a strength, not a weakness. The disdain some people have is pathetic. I have to agree with AA#11 on this. She's the best that I've seen this year. If I had to pick any setter this year to run a 5-1 with my team, I would pick Lexi. I would pick Murphy/Lichtman for a 6-2, however.
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Post by redincolorado on Oct 2, 2010 23:23:15 GMT -5
I had to vote "other" as some of Lauren Cooks sets today were otherworldly. She reminded me of Courtney Thompson with how deceptive some of her sets were placed.
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Post by mplssetter on Oct 2, 2010 23:42:45 GMT -5
I had to vote "other" as some of Lauren Cooks sets today were otherworldly. She reminded me of Courtney Thompson with how deceptive some of her sets were placed. So do you think Cook is better than Anderson?
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Post by smiley on Oct 2, 2010 23:52:10 GMT -5
First I must admit to a bias against unnecessarily flashy players.
I will admit that Zimmerman is extremely athletic.
I will admit she's very skillful.
However,
She's never seen an easy set she couldn't make look difficult.
While being WILLING to go to the floor I've never seen a setter do it so often. Is the passing really that bad?
Is it a good thing for the setter to average 1.5 kps? And if you add her kps & aps it's still lower than other's just aps.
Is fifth, fifth, fourth (which is also tied for fifth) really been a top Big Ten finish?
And she HAS had quality hitters around her so she's NOT doing it by herself. 1.5 kps isn't going to win anything.
I will say she's ONE of the best and certainly flashiest and if she manages to get Michigan into the top 3 of the conference I MIGHT change my vote.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 4, 2010 17:18:57 GMT -5
If anyone watched the Michigan/Penn State game, you should know who the best setter in the country is. Lexi Zimmerman made some unbelievable sets and, again, is the most deceptive setter I've ever seen. Beyond that, her defense was ridiculous. I could not believe some of the defensive plays she made. My jaw dropped more than once after seeing that girl play. Fantastic volleyball player. WOW...with a player THAT great you would think that they would have at least managed to take a set off of the lions
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 4, 2010 17:22:45 GMT -5
First I must admit to a bias against unnecessarily flashy players. I will admit that Zimmerman is extremely athletic. I will admit she's very skillful. However, She's never seen an easy set she couldn't make look difficult. While being WILLING to go to the floor I've never seen a setter do it so often. Is the passing really that bad? Is it a good thing for the setter to average 1.5 kps? And if you add her kps & aps it's still lower than other's just aps. Is fifth, fifth, fourth (which is also tied for fifth) really been a top Big Ten finish? And she HAS had quality hitters around her so she's NOT doing it by herself. 1.5 kps isn't going to win anything. I will say she's ONE of the best and certainly flashiest and if she manages to get Michigan into the top 3 of the conference I MIGHT change my vote. Agree with ALL of this. Being flashy and diving to the floor is NOT the same as being efficient and effective. The best setter should be the latter two, the first two is just for show. Clearly it works on players like AA #11 who thinks she's the most deceptive he's "ever seen", but something tells me that opposing defenses would probably give you a different answer.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 4, 2010 17:26:02 GMT -5
she attacks the ball way too much. As a matter of fact, through last week games, Lexi has attacked the ball 219 times! Ouch. Thought she was suppose to be setting!! Well then, you must have really hated Julie Bremner when she played at Penn State. When the setter is coming from the back row, she has three attackers to set. There's no reason she can't be the third attacker when she is in the front row. Julie Bremner did not play at Penn State, Bonnie did, and yes, she attacked quite a bit. Julie went to Notre Dame, I think.
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Post by VBCOACH on Oct 4, 2010 17:51:51 GMT -5
Well then, you must have really hated Julie Bremner when she played at Penn State. When the setter is coming from the back row, she has three attackers to set. There's no reason she can't be the third attacker when she is in the front row. Julie Bremner did not play at Penn State, Bonnie did, and yes, she attacked quite a bit. Julie went to Notre Dame, I think. You're right, of course. My mistake.
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Post by smiley on Oct 4, 2010 18:00:06 GMT -5
I like an aggressive setter. One that knows when to be. Bremner was selective in her aggressive play. I don't think Zimmerman is. She's good enough that if the other team isn't looking for a dump it works but when teams are she's in trouble. A poster last year came up I believe it was 8 matches where she had a lot of attacks for a low or negative %. I know against Illinois she had 18 attacks for .026. Does a good setter keep giving the ball to someone hitting that poorly when she's got two LS's like Paz and Hunt?
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