Whos going to be POY? nt

[fan 2]

Hey hey hey. Don't just assume Costas is not team captin because he pisses off his teammates. If memory serves, last year, when Zimet didn't start one of the matches, Costas was team or floor captain. Zimet is just someone who everyone on that team looks up to. That is his major role. Costas's major role is to be the best on the team, and that is what he's doing. Whether or not he his team captain is irrelavent in most cases, but more so in this one. Zimet has had that position locked up for years now. I'm not saying Costas is a lock for POY, but its the same thing as the whole "middle blockers don't play backrow so they shouldn't be POY" thing. If you discount Costas on the basis that he's not team captain, say goodbye to Keenan and anyother middle blocker. But hey, wait a minute, didn't they both win it before?
Sorry if I sound snippy or cocky, I'm really not. Just trying to get my point across .

[UH]

When I hear these statements that Costas hasn't done enough this year such as

Theocharidis---Good all-around player...hasn't done it all year

, I am compelled to set the record straight.

This year's UH Warriors had welcome but daunting task of choosing which OH to start as VBCrusin mentioned in his threadvolleytalk.proboards10.com/index.cgi?board=menvb&action=display&thread=1044162377

Coach Wilton tried numerous line up for the first half of the year where he tried to include Brazilian freshman standout Pedro Azenha in the formula. Coach Wilton also tinkered with UH libero situation with Matt Motter and Eyal Zimet until Jake Muise returned as the starter. During all these trial period, frequently Costas had his sets reduced to almost half his usual from 6 rotations he could attack to 3 rotations (where he was delegated the passing duties).
the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2003/Feb/22/sp/sp01a.html

Costas having had almost all the honors he can get including POY and championship, did not complain about sharing the glory until the team kept stumbling over and over. He finally asked for more sets so the Warriors can continue to win.

Whereas, the Waves are dominant team for having 3 very tall great stars in "the silent killers" Keenan, Rooney, and Winters to do the job, Warriors have one super star Costas (at only 6' 3") and many stars working cohesively to keep winning.

With Kill Average of 5.548 and Point average of 6.465 currently, he tops these categories way way above Rooney or Winters in the national rankings.

I just don't know how much better you expect him to do? He got his POY in 2001 with Kill Average of only 5.04. (this is in our new rally scoring system which allows much less kills over-all).

His current stats are against all top 15 teams unlike some teams who played several div 2 or div 3 teams for schedule breathers. (UH haven't played any bottom 3 teams in the MPSF yet either)

I just wish you guys would stop saying Costas did not perform well throughout the year because you haven't seen him play most of the games.

With now 2059 kills and still counting (3 years in rally scoring system) and surely will be the first 4 time first team AVCA All-American in making Costas is by far the Best Player of the Year for 2002.

[UH]

With now 2059 kills and still counting (3 years in rally scoring system) and surely will be the first 4 time first team AVCA All-American in making Costas is by far the Best Player of the Year for 2003.

Correction: year should have been 2003 (Sorry, HaHa)

[IdahoBoy]

Now that's what I'm talking about as far as making an argument!
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[mvbdad]

What about co- MVP's , it happened in 1996 when Yuval Katz ( Hawaii ) and ( Stein Metzger UCLA ) won it together ( it could happen) !!!!!!

[Psychopotamus]

rollshot makes a very good point about scorers winning MVP honors. I never really looked at it that way, but in that respect it makes sense why digs are a bigger stat in women's volleyball than men's. Consider how much more often the first ball goes down in the men's game, and how much more a dominant hitter is importand, and it is easy to see how Keenan can win when he only plays front row.

[tigfan]

There is a lot of talk about whether or not a MB should be able to win POY due to the fact that they are in the game for only 3 (maybe 3.5) rotations...

...What does everyone think about the possibility of a libero ever winning POY. They are in the game for 100% of serve receive and MOST of the other rotations[glow=red,2,300]TEXT[/glow]

A libero can control the first contact and get the offense started, and can also dig balls to make other players on the floor more effective. Defense and coverage are important stats that are often overlooked in the men's game i agree. Can a libero ever be that good? Just wondering what everyone thinks...again, not that I'm saying a libero should win THIS year...

tigfan

[Beachy]

I agree with vbdoll. If you rule out players not playing back row because of the libero, then you rule out just short of half the players. Only the setter, opposite and outsides are eligible. Two middles and the libero are automatically eliminated. 3 out of 7 players cannot be left out of the mix. Players in other sports come out of the game at various times to the benefit of the whole team and still earn POY, MVP awards. I haven't seen a quarterback yet who played offense and defense. Even Magic Johnson came out out a basketball game for a few minutes. The POY award should take into consideration the overall effectiveness of the player.

[VBCrusin]

Hey tigfan...good point concerning the Libero (Rodney Dangerfield "I get no respect") position. Could a Libero win the POY? Probably not.

A suggestion here from vbcrusin...Hey vote for your P.O.Y and F.O.Y. awards...WHY NOT A D.S.O.Y. (Defense Specialist of the Year)? I'm not kidding...football has MVP offense and Lineman of the Year...how come volleyball have an award for the BEST Defensive player? The criteria would include digging, passing, and blocking...and what about setting? ;D

Just my view.

[bangdown]

Guest-UH said:

When I hear these statements that Costas hasn't done enough this year such as, I am compelled to set the record straight.

UH

Whoa buddy...When I say hasn't done it all year, I guess I had some particular matches in mind and they aren't stellar and they are against the better teams.

Costas vs. Pepp .215 25 11 65 65 attempts!
Costas vs. BYU .255 24 10 55
Costas vs. CSUN .245 20 8 45
Costas vs. UCI -.100 7 9 20 -100 on the night!

He has had a lot of great matches with incredible hitting percentages and is most worthy of any award he gets. I wasn't saying that he didn't deserve POY. Like I said...He's a great all-around player. I was merely bringing up some points about these and other players.
I wish I had the time to write a long disertation on the pros and cons of the state of Hawaii....
Thanks for setting the record straight and "POY by Far"...I don't think he has run away with it pal.

[diggger33]

Guest-vbdude said:

How can anyone say that a middle blocker can't win POY ( look at last year ) The reason most middles don't play back row isn't because they can't defend or hit but there are already up to 2 guys in the back row that can hit . Keenan can hit from the back row with the best of them , also don't underestimate the effect of a block on the opposing team and your own . POY also should be a team leader , Costas isn't even captain of his team, and when you see how he berates his teammates you know why!!!!!!!! Jonathon Alleman at BYU is also having a great year.

I think POYs have to have some sort of quantifiable reason to give it to a player. It is called POY not MVP. I think there is a difference between the two. There is NO reason Keenan should have won POY of the year last year.

Look at his stats. www.pepperdine.edu/athletics/mvolleyball/Stats/2002cume.htm

Kills: 2.98
Blocks: 1.83
Aces: .53
Avg.: .470
Those are the only categories that he will ever have an impact on. Compare to Theocharidis stats... humu.hper.hawaii.edu/Vball/Stats/teamcume.htm

Kills: 5.49
Blocks: .97
Aces: .34
Digs: 1.61
Avg.: .347

The numbers speak for themselves. MBs just don't have the impact that an OH or S or OPP would have on matches. That's just the way it is. Life isn't fair. Just like how some people are taller and smarter, MBs just don't have the numbers of the other positions.

[bangdown]

TEXT "The numbers speak for themselves. MBs just don't have the impact that an OH or S or OPP would have on matches. That's just the way it is. Life isn't fair."

That might be the most idiotic thing I've read on this site.....You will not win without at least 1 dominant middle who can block, serve and hit above .500. That is scoring points! Keenan does it!

Middles have the least impact on a match, huh?........unbelievable!!!!!!

[Rollshot]

All of this is nice talk but ultimately, the AVCA Committee members (not us) pick the winner. I tried to access the committee member list from the AVCA site but had some difficulty. You and I know they won't see everyone play so they have to rely on something else - paper stats, videos (I don't know if they do this?), word of mouth, timely placed telephone calls from coach A to committee member B, etc. Or, they may just pick the most recognizable name from one of the MPSF teams in the Final Four (er, I mean, NCAA Championships).

I don't really know the machnations and shenanigans that are behind the selection process, but if the process is anything like selecting All-tournament and tournament MVP (which I have lots of experience in), it's a joke!

[diggger33]

bangdown said:

TEXT "The numbers speak for themselves. MBs just don't have the impact that an OH or S or OPP would have on matches. That's just the way it is. Life isn't fair."

That might be the most idiotic thing I've read on this site.....You will not win without at least 1 dominant middle who can block, serve and hit above .500. That is scoring points! Keenan does it!

Middles have the least impact on a match, huh?........unbelievable!!!!!!

You CAN win without a dominant middle. Look at Hawaii last year. The keys to that match were Theocharidis, Zimet and Ching with a little help from Thomas and Miladinovic. Look at the previous years winners.

2000 - UCLA no dominant middle
1999 - BYU Millar was in the middle but by no means dominant.
1998 - UCLA Naeve not dominant
1997 - Stanford no dominant middle

[IdahoBoy]

rollshot said:

All of this is nice talk but ultimately, the AVCA Committee members (not us) pick the winner. I tried to access the committee member list from the AVCA site but had some difficulty. You and I know they won't see everyone play so they have to rely on something else - paper stats, videos (I don't know if they do this?), word of mouth, timely placed telephone calls from coach A to committee member B, etc. Or, they may just pick the most recognizable name from one of the MPSF teams in the Final Four (er, I mean, NCAA Championships).

I don't really know the machnations and shenanigans that are behind the selection process, but if the process is anything like selecting All-tournament and tournament MVP (which I have lots of experience in), it's a joke!

If the process is anything like the women's side... each school is required to submit a bunch of paperwork for the players that they nominate. With that paperwork, they present an argument for their player to win the award. In some cases, highlight tapes are sent in, as well as web pages made, etc.

The committee then goes through THOSE entries only and selects the player(s) with the best argument and "story."

At least, this is my understanding.