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Post by itsallaboutme on Dec 12, 2010 20:46:38 GMT -5
Ruffda, Are you talking about all the made-up stuff in this forum over the years? Do you have a list of factual "things" he's done that has been deserving of being vilified in this forum for since it's beginning? I think John's done so much for the sport of womens volleyball that to hear such crap from you is surprising.
Why on earth would anyone want to play for John Cook if he was even remotely as awful as you all make him out to be? Seems to be a huge disconnect. If he wasn't as successful as he was you wouldn't even notice him.
I think he's helped a lot of players to reach there potential and be outstanding individuals.....I guess that part is lost on you and the rest that just love to rip down a leader.
Jim's antics were ridiculous and I assure you if Cook had behaved that way Tom O. would have come down on him.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 12, 2010 20:48:45 GMT -5
1) Nebraska, Hawaii, and Michigan lost to this "weak" team, so what does that say about them? For that matter, so did Final Four team USC. 2) While I'm a fan of the Huskies and their players, you must be smoking some of "norcalsfinest" to claim that they had the most talented team in the country. They were a top-10 team, and finished about there in the polls and the tournament. But nobody ever claimed they were a top-four team or had top-four talent. If anything, I think they over-achieved more than they under-achieved, but they did a little of both. If I had to guess, I would assume you are a Stanford fan who is upset because Cal got into the FF and Stanford did not. I disagree with you. Player for player they are more talented than any team in the Pac-10. I am shocked that they had such a poor regular season. They played mentally weak all year in the Pac-10. I saw them give up on a few occasions. Does the first Cal match at Hec Ed ring a bell? It starts at the top. Well I'm not going to start dissing the Husky players in order to try to win some argument with you. I saw almost every home match they played, and I think what I think about them. They had breakdowns when they didn't play as well as they could have, and they had moments when they played above their heads. I saw them get rocked occasionally. I saw them get confused and lose focus. I saw them play tentatively and get defensive. But I never saw them give up. Even in set three against Cal on Saturday.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Dec 12, 2010 20:53:40 GMT -5
Ruffda, Are you talking about all the made-up stuff in this forum over the years? Do you have a list of factual "things" he's done that has been deserving of being vilified in this forum for since it's beginning? I think John's done so much for the sport of womens volleyball that to hear such crap from you is surprising. Why on earth would anyone want to play for John Cook if he was even remotely as awful as you all make him out to be? Seems to be a huge disconnect. If he wasn't as successful as he was you wouldn't even notice him. I think he's helped a lot of players to reach there potential and be outstanding individuals.....I guess that part is lost on you and the rest that just love to rip down a leader. Jim's antics were ridiculous and I assure you if Cook had behaved that way Tom O. would have come down on him. I've asked the same question of other VT contributers countless times and have yet to get a response. It's one thing not to like someone without reason, it's quite another thing to make up things to support your disdain.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 12, 2010 20:53:48 GMT -5
To suggest that "player for player UW is more talented than any team in the Pac-10" means that if you were putting together a 7-person all-star team, every single player would be a UW player."
I'm a Husky fan, and even I know that is totally absurd.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 21:01:03 GMT -5
The very fact that you want me to produce a list seems to me proof that it wouldn't matter if I produced one or not.
Let's just say that I think reasonable VB fans would agree he seems to be in the middle of more controversies than any other DI coach. Is this because of Nebraska's popularity? I've heard that explanation, but it doesn't explain why Shoji never is.
Do you really want a list? Because mine starts with Wisconsin and his comments about Mary Wise and Florida.
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Post by star on Dec 12, 2010 21:05:57 GMT -5
The very fact that you want me to produce a list seems to me proof that it wouldn't matter if I produced one or not. Let's just say that I think reasonable VB fans would agree he seems to be in the middle of more controversies than any other DI coach. Is this because of Nebraska's popularity? I've heard that explanation, but it doesn't explain why Shoji never is. Do you really want a list? Because mine starts with Wisconsin and his comments about Mary Wise and Florida. Pete commented on Mary Wise?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2010 21:06:53 GMT -5
Pete? Is that a nickname for JC?
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Post by caddywampus23 on Dec 12, 2010 21:25:19 GMT -5
Weak. weak. and weaker.....Which coach, however "properly pumped" their record may be, is in a position to rain down "F Bombs" in the midst of a venture in which a group of young women's future is the priority - I ask. This coach, who I have no preconceived ideas about, should be banished from this sacred calling. How DARE him.....Which school, which University, which conference....should not matter. Banish this person whose priorities do NOT fit with the calling. Watch all the video you like. It WILL NOT CHANGE A THING....
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Post by outsidehitter1 on Dec 12, 2010 21:40:41 GMT -5
thats right....was that the championship game against Penn? If I remember right...Penn St. crushed Cal?[/quote]
youre right but that wasnt my point ... and cal lost to a phenomenal penn state team which in each set could have gone either way. i wouldnt call it crush in that case .... you poor husker fan
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Post by tomclen on Dec 12, 2010 21:55:20 GMT -5
Weak. weak. and weaker.....Which coach, however "properly pumped" their record may be, is in a position to rain down "F Bombs" in the midst of a venture in which a group of young women's future is the priority - I ask. This coach, who I have no preconceived ideas about, should be banished from this sacred calling. How DARE him.....Which school, which University, which conference....should not matter. Banish this person whose priorities do NOT fit with the calling. Watch all the video you like. It WILL NOT CHANGE A THING.... Just when I thought this thread couldn't get nutsier. You know, 600 UW fans talking to John Cook, an usher conspiring with a line-judge whose never been in Hec Ed before, a coach getting angry after a win....someone comes along and calls this a 'sacred calling.' Nutsiest yet. Who wants to step up and top that one?
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Dec 12, 2010 22:02:05 GMT -5
The very fact that you want me to produce a list seems to me proof that it wouldn't matter if I produced one or not. Let's just say that I think reasonable VB fans would agree he seems to be in the middle of more controversies than any other DI coach. Is this because of Nebraska's popularity? I've heard that explanation, but it doesn't explain why Shoji never is. Do you really want a list? Because mine starts with Wisconsin and his comments about Mary Wise and Florida. It would be hard to refute factual accounts as opposed to a sweeping generalization now wouldn't it? Sweeping generalization such as "I think reasonable VB fans would agree he seems to be in the middle of more controversies than any other DI coach." I know nothing of the anything he said or did while at Wisconsin. So if he said something inappropriate 11+ years ago, shame on him. Nothing more current on your list? I mean you have every reasonable VB fan in the world to draw from as resources.
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Post by itsallaboutme on Dec 12, 2010 22:05:32 GMT -5
Actually it does explain Shoji. The media exposure, ESPN coverage of regional finals, massive crowds for VB have all grown greatly at same time that Nebraska has been one of the teams at the forefront.
Oh please, what horrible things he said about Mary. I saw the two of them sitting side byside at the Qwest earlier this year before the match began. They seemed to be enjoying each others company
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Post by abugslife on Dec 12, 2010 23:00:48 GMT -5
Ok I just got some inside information about what happened between Cook and McLaughlin from a very reliable source that witnessed the whole incidence. It is your choice to believe me or not.
Both coaches were walking towards each other, JMac put out his hand to shake Cook's hand and at that point Cook slapped JMac's hand and then said that ball was f*&king out. It was at that point that JMac charged Cook and had to be restrainted by Cook's assistant and then Cook was restrained by someone else. During that is when Cook's wife came running down from the stands and she was held back by someone.
Like I said the person that told me is not a coach but is involved in volleyball high up and witnessed the whole thing in front of her.
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Post by harryhotspur on Dec 12, 2010 23:15:59 GMT -5
Incident. it's an incident.
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Post by pedro el leon on Dec 12, 2010 23:17:21 GMT -5
I'm not defending Jim here, as he should have never lost it in front of the players and attendees, should have given his piece of mind in the tunnels after things were cooled down, IMO. But two things to remember:
1) In 10 years of watching him coach in person, Jim has never ever ever reacted to anything remotely close to how he did. He's hardly even raised his voice before and rarely complains (leaving that to the captains), so what the hell could have set him off like that? which relates to..
2) This is the second time this season that Cook has discredited Washington for beating one of his Nebraska teams, and that isn't just a slip up at that point, it's straight up disrespect. Jim probably knows about the first time too, if someone was just blatantly disrespecting me I'd probably say "F___ you" too, there's only so much you can ignore and laugh off before you're just being a coward.
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