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Post by eastcoastopp on Sept 11, 2020 22:07:14 GMT -5
What are you basing this on? Volleyball. Specifically, playing setter. If we're talking about throwing a javelin, I would imagine Gray is better. That was just shady. |
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Post by eazy on Sept 11, 2020 22:09:05 GMT -5
Lilley is better than Gray, so the premise is false. I'm a Lilley fan. Lilley has better location and plays better defense. Does more with less. Gray is a better blocker, attacker of the second ball, server and an overall better leader. I’m honestly curious on this, what makes Gray a better leader to you? IMO, leadership is 99% what happens behind the scenes and is 95% based on the teammates you have. What makes Gray a better leader than Lilley to you?? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:11:53 GMT -5
Lilley is better than Gray, so the premise is false. I'm a Lilley fan. Lilley has better location and plays better defense. Does more with less. Gray is a better blocker, attacker of the second ball, server and an overall better leader. Want to compare numbers on their serve? Mine give a significant edge to Lilley. If you're trying to use errors and aces, we both know you won't get a clear picture. I'm not hating on Gray, she was great. You're right she's the better blocker and I agree she dumps better. But Lilley's advantages; setting, floor defense and serving and more valuable than Gray's; blocking (Lilley is by no means a liability), and attacking, in my opinion. |
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Post by eastcoastopp on Sept 11, 2020 22:13:35 GMT -5
Lilley is better than Gray, so the premise is false. I'm a Lilley fan. Lilley has better location and plays better defense. Does more with less. Gray is a better blocker, attacker of the second ball, server and an overall better leader. I definitely think a lot of how well a player plays depends on the system they're in. Both are well suited for their respective teams. |
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Post by eastcoastopp on Sept 11, 2020 22:23:53 GMT -5
I'm a Lilley fan. Lilley has better location and plays better defense. Does more with less. Gray is a better blocker, attacker of the second ball, server and an overall better leader. Want to compare numbers on their serve? Mine give a significant edge to Lilley. If you're trying to use errors and aces, we both know you won't get a clear picture. I'm not hating on Gray, she was great. You're right she's the better blocker and I agree she dumps better. But Lilley's advantages; setting, floor defense and serving and more valuable than Gray's; blocking (Lilley is by no means a liability), and attacking, in my opinion. If you're comparing numbers, also factor in that Gray played in the Pac-12 and Lilley in the SEC. The level of competition isn't really the same. Add in the difficult pre-season schedule they had and that skews the perception. And that whole Kentucky team is a blocking liability but I'll leave that where it is....or isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:32:31 GMT -5
Want to compare numbers on their serve? Mine give a significant edge to Lilley. If you're trying to use errors and aces, we both know you won't get a clear picture. I'm not hating on Gray, she was great. You're right she's the better blocker and I agree she dumps better. But Lilley's advantages; setting, floor defense and serving and more valuable than Gray's; blocking (Lilley is by no means a liability), and attacking, in my opinion. If you're comparing numbers, also factor in that Gray played in the Pac-12 and Lilley in the SEC. The level of competition isn't really the same. Add in the difficult pre-season schedule they had and that skews the perception. And that whole Kentucky team is a blocking liability but I'll leave that where it is....or isn't. I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are: I can pull their numbers against top 25 opponents only, or filter out weaker SEC teams... They will still show that Lilley is the better server (and, in the interests of fairness, that Gray is the better blocker). That's the beauty of the data; it's generated by what actually happened. I can also ignore Gray's senior year and instead compare her junior campaign - 2018 - to Lilley's - 2019 (which is exactly what I did). Avoid recency bias. I assume your opinions are based on observations you made from the matches you watched. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:36:09 GMT -5
Okay we can argue over the rest but how come is always a maybe Lilley from y’all? She has literally played with the senior national team. Xu hasn’t even seen the court more than like 30 seconds. Like come on people. I know I’m a well documented Lilley stan here but I do not see how unless Xu is literally Lauren carlini in disguise that you can even ARGUE that she is better than Lilley or Hilley. I’ll accept the argument over the other setters I posted but dear god y’all are more biased to Xu than I am Lilley Not sure where the "y'all" came from because this is my first time saying anything about Xu. Obviously she hasn't seen the court a lot and other posters have already spoken to that. What is it about Lilley that makes her beyond reproach? To be clear, this is what I mean. Gray>Xu Gray>Lilley Xu ? Lilley Hence, maybe. I meant y’all as in literally everyone who has chimed in on how Xu starts on every team in the country. It just isn’t true |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 22:40:45 GMT -5
Not sure where the "y'all" came from because this is my first time saying anything about Xu. Obviously she hasn't seen the court a lot and other posters have already spoken to that. What is it about Lilley that makes her beyond reproach? To be clear, this is what I mean. Gray>Xu Gray>Lilley Xu ? Lilley Hence, maybe. I meant y’all as in literally everyone who has chimed in on how Xu starts on every team in the country. It just isn’t true Taking into account the origin of that notion, that isn't a great surprise. |
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Post by horns1 on Sept 11, 2020 23:00:33 GMT -5
I meant y’all as in literally everyone who has chimed in on how Xu starts on every team in the country. It just isn’t true Taking into account the origin of that notion, that isn't a great surprise.
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Post by ct94010 on Sept 12, 2020 1:51:40 GMT -5
It's funny to read this, because when I think of Campbell, I think of her lighting up Nebraska in the 2018 NC. Thought we might have seen a flower blossom then as well, but that didn't really happen in 2019. Campbell always seems in composure and she did get some key kills at big moments in the 2018 NC against Nebraska. I think she would have been much more of a standout if Gates hadn’t transferred and taken the MB1 position from Campbell. I think she will be a force next season whenever that takes place! |
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Post by VolleyballMag on Sept 14, 2020 14:14:02 GMT -5
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Post by volleysfo on Sept 14, 2020 14:31:05 GMT -5
Congratulations!!! So much fun. Italy and now Japan. She must be loving it.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 15, 2020 18:13:43 GMT -5
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Post by tnp101 on Sept 15, 2020 18:57:35 GMT -5
Wow, that was epic! Thanks for posting and thanks NCAA for putting it together. Oh, how much I will miss KP. Hope we have Kipp highlights like this in the future when she helps lead the team to more titles  |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Sept 15, 2020 19:32:09 GMT -5
Damn I'm gonna miss those seniors!!
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