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Post by jgrout on Aug 4, 2023 16:15:28 GMT -5
Stanford’s snobs killed the current ADs plans (when he arrived) to turn Stanford into an actual power 5 school. The snobs are not about to embrace Stanford “fans” on any basis… they matter, everyone else does not matter, and all off-campus activities are tightly focused on the snobs. When Stanford WVB visited UNM in Albuquerque some years ago, there was no fan event… there was an Alumni Association event. Fans were supposed to sit in the 20th row, not bother the parents (many of whom are indisputable snobs), stay away from the alumni event, and otherwise keep their distance. That is NOT the behavior of a Power 5 athletic program: this is the behavior of a bunch of people presiding over the death of the PAC-12 as a power anything conference. So was the infamous “snobs only” seating section at the all General Admission Berkeley WVB regional. People were asking why no one in the “Stanford section” gave a damn about the match. The answer is that it was not the Stanford fans section: it was the Stanford snobs section.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 4, 2023 16:19:23 GMT -5
Stanford left with Cal / OSU / WSU.... yikes. Sports-wise, they could join the WCC… but the snobs would never go for that. They’d sooner kill sports, declaring it beneath Stanford just as the University of Chicago declared the B10 to be. As a major participant in state-ordered disinformation, could start having meetings to tell everyone what the “truth” is and to denounce deplorables that do not agree. Uhh...... |
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Post by paloalto on Aug 4, 2023 17:49:29 GMT -5
Stanford’s snobs killed the current ADs plans (when he arrived) to turn Stanford into an actual power 5 school. The snobs are not about to embrace Stanford “fans” on any basis… they matter, everyone else does not matter, and all off-campus activities are tightly focused on the snobs. When Stanford WVB visited UNM in Albuquerque some years ago, there was no fan event… there was an Alumni Association event. Fans were supposed to sit in the 20th row, not bother the parents (many of whom are indisputable snobs), stay away from the alumni event, and otherwise keep their distance. That is NOT the behavior of a Power 5 athletic program: this is the behavior of a bunch of people presiding over the death of the PAC-12 as a power anything conference. So was the infamous “snobs only” seating section at the all General Admission Berkeley WVB regional. People were asking why no one in the “Stanford section” gave a damn about the match. The answer is that it was not the Stanford fans section: it was the Stanford snobs section. After all these years you still hold your grudge. Your vindictiveness is disproportionate to your perceived slight. |
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Post by slxpress on Aug 4, 2023 17:57:21 GMT -5
Stanford’s snobs killed the current ADs plans (when he arrived) to turn Stanford into an actual power 5 school. The snobs are not about to embrace Stanford “fans” on any basis… they matter, everyone else does not matter, and all off-campus activities are tightly focused on the snobs. When Stanford WVB visited UNM in Albuquerque some years ago, there was no fan event… there was an Alumni Association event. Fans were supposed to sit in the 20th row, not bother the parents (many of whom are indisputable snobs), stay away from the alumni event, and otherwise keep their distance. That is NOT the behavior of a Power 5 athletic program: this is the behavior of a bunch of people presiding over the death of the PAC-12 as a power anything conference. So was the infamous “snobs only” seating section at the all General Admission Berkeley WVB regional. People were asking why no one in the “Stanford section” gave a damn about the match. The answer is that it was not the Stanford fans section: it was the Stanford snobs section. After all these years you still hold your grudge. Your vindictiveness is disproportionate to your perceived slight. If the worst they do is make a few posts on volleytalk, I’m not sure that’s true. That doesn’t seem like a high bar for vindictiveness to me. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 4, 2023 19:42:01 GMT -5
I agree. My worry is becoming like the old Texas. Strong teams but not challenged during conference leading to poor results in the tourney. I would question the definition of poor results. 16 out of the last 17 Elite Eights. I understand more was expected of several of those teams, but the result shouldn’t be labeled as poor. Similar to last year’s Stanford team. It wouldn't fly at Stanford. |
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Post by raian13 on Aug 4, 2023 21:01:12 GMT -5
Stanford left with Cal / OSU / WSU.... yikes. I must have missed it but where is Colorado going? |
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Post by katn on Aug 4, 2023 21:06:45 GMT -5
Stanford left with Cal / OSU / WSU.... yikes. I must have missed it but where is Colorado going? big 12 |
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Post by saywho on Aug 5, 2023 0:27:51 GMT -5
After all these years you still hold your grudge. Your vindictiveness is disproportionate to your perceived slight. If the worst they do is make a few posts on volleytalk, I’m not sure that’s true. That doesn’t seem like a high bar for vindictiveness to me. Depends on the perceived slight. In this particular case, perceived is key. |
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 5, 2023 9:18:10 GMT -5
IMO the PAC losing it's luster will affect Stanford very little. I disagree and think it has already had some effect. In recent years, a handful of potential recruits have made it clear form the get go they want to stay in the B1G to be able to play against the best competition. This is while the PAC was the number 2 conference. It will have even more impact if the Pac stays and is at an even weaker level. I think this is true. I mean, Stanford volleyball won't fall of the face of the earth. They still have a lot to offer, but this situation has certainly hurt them. They need to get into the B1G. It's an easy sell prima facie due to the academic angle and storied athletics history. I suppose Stanford might balk at taking a reduced payout like Oregon and Washington did, but a program like this needs a seat at the table. Of course, I'm not thinking about their football or basketball value which is the primary driver, but I think the school itself and their athletic programs have so much reputational value to add to the conference. Speaking as a volleyball fan, after adding Oregon and Washington, getting Stanford into the B1G would be amazing for fans of this sport. The conference matches would be a blood bath in the best way. The conference season would feel like the NCAA tournament, except for three months straight. |
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Post by jgrout on Aug 5, 2023 9:20:17 GMT -5
Stanford left with Cal / OSU / WSU.... yikes. I must have missed it but where is Colorado going? They left a week or so before the other four corners schools. |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 5, 2023 12:12:09 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 6, 2023 18:01:59 GMT -5
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 6, 2023 18:08:49 GMT -5
I disagree and think it has already had some effect. In recent years, a handful of potential recruits have made it clear form the get go they want to stay in the B1G to be able to play against the best competition. This is while the PAC was the number 2 conference. It will have even more impact if the Pac stays and is at an even weaker level. I think this is true. I mean, Stanford volleyball won't fall of the face of the earth. They still have a lot to offer, but this situation has certainly hurt them. They need to get into the B1G. It's an easy sell prima facie due to the academic angle and storied athletics history. I suppose Stanford might balk at taking a reduced payout like Oregon and Washington did, but a program like this needs a seat at the table. Of course, I'm not thinking about their football or basketball value which is the primary driver, but I think the school itself and their athletic programs have so much reputational value to add to the conference. Speaking as a volleyball fan, after adding Oregon and Washington, getting Stanford into the B1G would be amazing for fans of this sport. The conference matches would be a blood bath in the best way. The conference season would feel like the NCAA tournament, except for three months straight. uh, aren't they already a blood - bath? so wouldn't it be a bloodier bath? and the fact is, once up to 20 teams, a LOT of those teams, many of whom were top fiddle before, will start to have some pretty mediocre records, will a team like Illinois remain afactor after all these other power teams have entered, and then Illinois becomes a perpetrual 7-15 record team year after year. won't happen? think again there will be fall-out in terms of perception of success in all these. it's much different to have 3-4 elite teams in a twelve team conference, vs. expecting to ave 8 elite teams in a 20 team conference. losing takes care of that. the fact is teams are going to find it HARD to win in these superconferences, and the question is whether that'll help the product long run when the entity is now a pro franchise, and not a university, which they no longer are these are now pro franchises |
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 7, 2023 2:21:40 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 7, 2023 2:25:43 GMT -5
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