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Post by volleylbc on Aug 31, 2023 7:25:10 GMT -5
Yeah - If Harvey is smart enough to get into Stanford, she probably is smart enough to realize how fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame is in the big grand scheme of things. Some would probably choose the fleeting fame, doesn't mean it's the right decision for her future. She could go to any quality volleyball program and it's not going to change her post-college volleyball future. I hope the above post is sarcasm, but in case it's not I will say this. Nebraska has been a big-time program for about 40 years, and their program is still growing. There is nothing fleeting about the Nebraska volleyball program. Besides, why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match? I watched the Stanford/Florida match, and the stands were half empty. In Nebraska, there are bigger crowds for high school volleyball games. Frankly, if I were a member of the Stanford volleyball program, I would be a little embarrassed by that. As for Harvey's post-college volleyball future, I'm sure you know that there are many, many former Huskers playing professionally all over the world, and pretty soon here in the US too, including 2 new pro teams in Omaha. Oh, and 3 members of the gold medal-winning US Olympic team are former Huskers. lol you want to be worshiped or something? Lol take a chill pill.
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Post by aardvark on Aug 31, 2023 7:33:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ay was trying to compare the perceived worth of a degree from Stanford to one from Nebraska. The assumption being that very few people can make an entire career out of playing volleyball, so going for the best degree would be a less risky choice.
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Post by gazelle1 on Aug 31, 2023 11:38:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ay was trying to compare the perceived worth of a degree from Stanford to one from Nebraska. The assumption being that very few people can make an entire career out of playing volleyball, so going for the best degree would be a less risky choice. Ah, I see. Though I would think that young people of that age with enough talent to be recruited by programs like Stanford or Nebraska probably have the desire to play professionally. You don't get that good at volleyball (or any other sport) without intense dedication to the sport.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Aug 31, 2023 12:35:07 GMT -5
Yeah - If Harvey is smart enough to get into Stanford, she probably is smart enough to realize how fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame is in the big grand scheme of things. Some would probably choose the fleeting fame, doesn't mean it's the right decision for her future. She could go to any quality volleyball program and it's not going to change her post-college volleyball future. I hope the above post is sarcasm, but in case it's not I will say this. Nebraska has been a big-time program for about 40 years, and their program is still growing. There is nothing fleeting about the Nebraska volleyball program. Besides, why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match? I watched the Stanford/Florida match, and the stands were half empty. In Nebraska, there are bigger crowds for high school volleyball games. Frankly, if I were a member of the Stanford volleyball program, I would be a little embarrassed by that. As for Harvey's post-college volleyball future, I'm sure you know that there are many, many former Huskers playing professionally all over the world, and pretty soon here in the US too, including 2 new pro teams in Omaha. Oh, and 3 members of the gold medal-winning US Olympic team are former Huskers. You also have to consider life outside of volleyball. Stanford and it's location offer many more opportunities in addition to playing for a top program and a challenging/rewarding academic environment.
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Post by dokterrudi on Aug 31, 2023 12:43:12 GMT -5
Just watching the Texas Minn match, it actually looks like these teams are fired up to play volleyball, how refreshing. SU the other night was as fired up as a frapacino. My god someone show some passion for cripes sake. So soft, Rubin and Francis are the only ones that seem to get it. I mean who doesn’t like to win.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 31, 2023 13:14:07 GMT -5
Yeah - If Harvey is smart enough to get into Stanford, she probably is smart enough to realize how fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame is in the big grand scheme of things. Some would probably choose the fleeting fame, doesn't mean it's the right decision for her future. She could go to any quality volleyball program and it's not going to change her post-college volleyball future. I hope the above post is sarcasm, but in case it's not I will say this. Nebraska has been a big-time program for about 40 years, and their program is still growing. There is nothing fleeting about the Nebraska volleyball program. Besides, why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match? I watched the Stanford/Florida match, and the stands were half empty. In Nebraska, there are bigger crowds for high school volleyball games. Frankly, if I were a member of the Stanford volleyball program, I would be a little embarrassed by that. As for Harvey's post-college volleyball future, I'm sure you know that there are many, many former Huskers playing professionally all over the world, and pretty soon here in the US too, including 2 new pro teams in Omaha. Oh, and 3 members of the gold medal-winning US Olympic team are former Huskers. Well, you are entitled to your opinions, however when you say "why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match" what it sounds like to me is that you think everyone should just think like you, and that's pretty ridiculous. Plenty of people just want to enjoy their college experience and play the sport they love. Not everyone craves the outsized attention that comes with Nebraskas volleyball and not everyone needs to play in front of sold out arenas night in and night out. Nebraska has certainly lost players to other programs whose attendance is dwarfed by Nebraska, yet they choose those programs over Nebraska anyway. There have also been tons of people who DO go to Nebraska, and, despite the sold out crowds and fame, choose to leave the program to play elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with that, people can have different priorities other than playing in front of sold out crowds. Also, like I said before, talent will manifest itself for professional leagues and the national team regardless of the schools they go to. The current national team gym has like 40 players who spent a majority of their time playing for over 20 colleges - only three are from Nebraska, and one of those three (Robinson) spent just 1 year at the program. There are plenty of former huskers playing professional and players who have been in the USAV gym post college, but there are plenty of non-huskers doing the same exact thing. Stanford has had plenty of great players post college too. Some of ya'll put Husker volleyball on a pedestal and while some of the accolades are surely earned and measurable, this crap about it being some sort of automatic national team pipeline or that other schools seemingly don't train their athletes as well, is certainly not one of them. I'm not saying Harvey SHOULDN'T go to Nebraska, I'm sure she'd get exemplary training there, however, it's not the only program out there that can develop athletes, and I don't think that training is going to change her post-college future re pro or USAV volleyball.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 31, 2023 13:23:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ay was trying to compare the perceived worth of a degree from Stanford to one from Nebraska. The assumption being that very few people can make an entire career out of playing volleyball, so going for the best degree would be a less risky choice. and in addition to that, of the few people that can make an entire career out of playing volleyball, it doesn't matter one bit whether those players graduate from Stanford or Nebraska.
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Post by jwvolley on Aug 31, 2023 13:33:46 GMT -5
It’s not cut and dry. Plenty of people *want* their college athletic experience to be grand. Nothing wrong with that. Nebraska misses out on recruits and so too does Stanford, and no, not just ones who don’t have the grades. I never suggested that Harvey being at the record breaking stadium match meant she was going to commit on the spot or determine her future strictly on “fleeting Husker fame”. She has plenty of suitors and she will make her decision based on whatever factors she and her family deem worthy of consideration. Stanford sells itself. That said, as far as first impressions go, pretty unique experience for her to get to be part of everything yesterday and I’m glad she did
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 31, 2023 13:41:18 GMT -5
It’s not cut and dry. Plenty of people *want* their college athletic experience to be grand. Nothing wrong with that. Nebraska misses out on recruits and so too does Stanford, and no, not just ones who don’t have the grades. I never suggested that Harvey being at the record breaking stadium match meant she was going to commit on the spot or determine her future strictly on “fleeting Husker fame”. She has plenty of suitors and she will make her decision based on whatever factors she and her family deem worthy of consideration. Stanford sells itself. That said, as far as first impressions go, pretty unique experience for her to get to be part of everything yesterday and I’m glad she did And whatever anyone’s final verdict on the event yesterday may be, it certainly doesn’t hurt Nebraska’s recruiting (or brand).
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Post by slxpress on Aug 31, 2023 13:48:40 GMT -5
It’s not cut and dry. Plenty of people *want* their college athletic experience to be grand. Nothing wrong with that. Nebraska misses out on recruits and so too does Stanford, and no, not just ones who don’t have the grades. I never suggested that Harvey being at the record breaking stadium match meant she was going to commit on the spot or determine her future strictly on “fleeting Husker fame”. She has plenty of suitors and she will make her decision based on whatever factors she and her family deem worthy of consideration. Stanford sells itself. That said, as far as first impressions go, pretty unique experience for her to get to be part of everything yesterday and I’m glad she did I’m very envious. It’s an event every Nebraska fan can and should be proud of. It went way beyond volleyball. I talked to several women athletes I know in other sports, from junior high to post college, and it’s all they could talk about after seeing it in their social feeds.
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Post by jgrout on Aug 31, 2023 15:39:47 GMT -5
Stanford’s elite fans don’t want sellout crowds, want as little contact as possible with actual Stanford fans, actively discriminate in favor of undergraduate college alumni, which is a very small group, and are 100% responsible for Stanford’s share of the collapse of the Pac-12. They don’t want Stanford to have non-alumni fans. This has been destroying their football program, which in turn will destroy their athletic program. They drove away one of our wealthiest fans of both football and women’s volleyball. We stopped donating at the same point in time when we realized that passion for Stanford sports by non-alumni was unwelcome and treated accordingly. He was giving 5 to 10 times as much a year as I was and saw the team cut him off just as much as they did me. Coach Hambly had been briefed before arrival to set his priorities as the elite wanted him to do and changed his interactions with fans 180 degrees from what it was in Champaign. He said he had to work with the way things were on the Farm.
Sic transit Gloria mundi.
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Post by barnacle on Aug 31, 2023 17:03:38 GMT -5
Stanford’s elite fans don’t want sellout crowds, want as little contact as possible with actual Stanford fans, actively discriminate in favor of undergraduate college alumni, which is a very small group, and are 100% responsible for Stanford’s share of the collapse of the Pac-12. They don’t want Stanford to have non-alumni fans. This has been destroying their football program, which in turn will destroy their athletic program. They drove away one of our wealthiest fans of both football and women’s volleyball. We stopped donating at the same point in time when we realized that passion for Stanford sports by non-alumni was unwelcome and treated accordingly. He was giving 5 to 10 times as much a year as I was and saw the team cut him off just as much as they did me. Coach Hambly had been briefed before arrival to set his priorities as the elite wanted him to do and changed his interactions with fans 180 degrees from what it was in Champaign. He said he had to work with the way things were on the Farm. Sic transit Gloria mundi. Can you elaborate? Who doesn't want non-alumni fans?
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Post by gazelle1 on Aug 31, 2023 17:40:48 GMT -5
I hope the above post is sarcasm, but in case it's not I will say this. Nebraska has been a big-time program for about 40 years, and their program is still growing. There is nothing fleeting about the Nebraska volleyball program. Besides, why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match? I watched the Stanford/Florida match, and the stands were half empty. In Nebraska, there are bigger crowds for high school volleyball games. Frankly, if I were a member of the Stanford volleyball program, I would be a little embarrassed by that. As for Harvey's post-college volleyball future, I'm sure you know that there are many, many former Huskers playing professionally all over the world, and pretty soon here in the US too, including 2 new pro teams in Omaha. Oh, and 3 members of the gold medal-winning US Olympic team are former Huskers. Well, you are entitled to your opinions, however when you say "why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match" what it sounds like to me is that you think everyone should just think like you, and that's pretty ridiculous. Plenty of people just want to enjoy their college experience and play the sport they love. Not everyone craves the outsized attention that comes with Nebraskas volleyball and not everyone needs to play in front of sold out arenas night in and night out. Nebraska has certainly lost players to other programs whose attendance is dwarfed by Nebraska, yet they choose those programs over Nebraska anyway. There have also been tons of people who DO go to Nebraska, and, despite the sold out crowds and fame, choose to leave the program to play elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with that, people can have different priorities other than playing in front of sold out crowds. Also, like I said before, talent will manifest itself for professional leagues and the national team regardless of the schools they go to. The current national team gym has like 40 players who spent a majority of their time playing for over 20 colleges - only three are from Nebraska, and one of those three (Robinson) spent just 1 year at the program. There are plenty of former huskers playing professional and players who have been in the USAV gym post college, but there are plenty of non-huskers doing the same exact thing. Stanford has had plenty of great players post college too. Some of ya'll put Husker volleyball on a pedestal and while some of the accolades are surely earned and measurable, this crap about it being some sort of automatic national team pipeline or that other schools seemingly don't train their athletes as well, is certainly not one of them. I'm not saying Harvey SHOULDN'T go to Nebraska, I'm sure she'd get exemplary training there, however, it's not the only program out there that can develop athletes, and I don't think that training is going to change her post-college future re pro or USAV volleyball. I was responding to ay2013's post, which strongly implied that going to Stanford was a better option for the young woman than the "fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame." I never said or meant to imply that going to Nebraska was the only option, or even the best option, for Ms. Harvey. I just wanted to make the point that the option of going to Nebraska would be probably just as good an option as going to Stanford, or any other place, for a prospective female volleyball player.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 31, 2023 17:54:07 GMT -5
Well, you are entitled to your opinions, however when you say "why wouldn't any young woman want to go someplace where they can play in front of sold-out crowds for every match" what it sounds like to me is that you think everyone should just think like you, and that's pretty ridiculous. Plenty of people just want to enjoy their college experience and play the sport they love. Not everyone craves the outsized attention that comes with Nebraskas volleyball and not everyone needs to play in front of sold out arenas night in and night out. Nebraska has certainly lost players to other programs whose attendance is dwarfed by Nebraska, yet they choose those programs over Nebraska anyway. There have also been tons of people who DO go to Nebraska, and, despite the sold out crowds and fame, choose to leave the program to play elsewhere. There is nothing wrong with that, people can have different priorities other than playing in front of sold out crowds. Also, like I said before, talent will manifest itself for professional leagues and the national team regardless of the schools they go to. The current national team gym has like 40 players who spent a majority of their time playing for over 20 colleges - only three are from Nebraska, and one of those three (Robinson) spent just 1 year at the program. There are plenty of former huskers playing professional and players who have been in the USAV gym post college, but there are plenty of non-huskers doing the same exact thing. Stanford has had plenty of great players post college too. Some of ya'll put Husker volleyball on a pedestal and while some of the accolades are surely earned and measurable, this crap about it being some sort of automatic national team pipeline or that other schools seemingly don't train their athletes as well, is certainly not one of them. I'm not saying Harvey SHOULDN'T go to Nebraska, I'm sure she'd get exemplary training there, however, it's not the only program out there that can develop athletes, and I don't think that training is going to change her post-college future re pro or USAV volleyball. I was responding to ay2013's post, which strongly implied that going to Stanford was a better option for the young woman than the "fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame." I never said or meant to imply that going to Nebraska was the only option, or even the best option, for Ms. Harvey. I just wanted to make the point that the option of going to Nebraska would be probably just as good an option as going to Stanford, or any other place, for a prospective female volleyball player. Well, what I actually said was that if she's smart enough to get into Stanford, she's probably smart enough to realize how fleeting 2-3 years of Cornhusker fame is in the big grand scheme of things, and I 100% stand by that. Nebraska as a program will surely endure, but as for the athletes themselves, they are relevant in the volleyball fame so long as they are 1- currently on the Nebraska team and 2- actually playing. Outside of greater Omaha, nobody really cares who rides the bench, and post-college, nobody cares what program a player went to. I'm sure most of the husker fans on VT don't know anything about the lives of 98% of the players that have graduated from Nebraska. Jordan Larson continues to be famous NOT because she graduated from Nebraska 15 years ago, but because she's been a fixture on the USAV national team. The actual fame that comes with playing for Nebraska IS fleeting. Also, I'm not saying that Harvey WON'T choose that, or doesn't want that, simply that she's probably smart enough to recognize and appreciate what going to Nebraska actually means.
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Post by baytree on Aug 31, 2023 18:55:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Ay was trying to compare the perceived worth of a degree from Stanford to one from Nebraska. The assumption being that very few people can make an entire career out of playing volleyball, so going for the best degree would be a less risky choice. Ah, I see. Though I would think that young people of that age with enough talent to be recruited by programs like Stanford or Nebraska probably have the desire to play professionally. You don't get that good at volleyball (or any other sport) without intense dedication to the sport. Very few vb players at any program play professionally. Most of the team will move on to work or grad school. Very few schools in the world give you the career or grad school opportunities that students get at Stanford. Even if you only look at the vb players that play professionally, most play for a few years, then start a non-vb career or go to grad school. For those players, going to Stanford opens up more doors than going almost anywhere else.
If you're a nerd, being surrounded by many other brilliant and entrepreneurial students is stimulating. It's easy to engage in informed, interesting conversations with a myriad of different ppl (bc Stanford is very diverse). You learn so much from the different perspectives of your classmates and dormmates. There's a good reason Stanford is known as Nerd Nation. Listen to Kevin Hambly talk about how he needs to make sure the players are intellectually engaged and that's a big part of his planning. That's attractive to many top students.
Most of the professors are accessible too. Plus, Stanford has a great climate. It sounds dumb, but many ppl pick Stanford for the climate. Not only the climate but after they narrow down their choices for where they want to go, Stanford often has the best climate among the top schools they're considering. Which makes it easier to interact with other students and enjoy yourself.
It's not for everyone. No school is. But if you may want to go to grad school or, e.g., work at Goldman Sachs or in Silicon Valley or if you aren't sure what you want to do but want to keep your options open, Stanford is an excellent choice.
It also gives you more options if you get injured. No one plans for that but it happens.
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