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Post by Sbilo on Oct 4, 2023 0:17:34 GMT -5
Lucy Chertock plays OH and MB so, if that's who they're talking about, yes. Indeed, it is Lucy Chertock from Pleasanton. She’s a good one.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 4, 2023 2:41:32 GMT -5
I don't like our chances in Pullman Sunday without Francis. sorry if I missed it, but is it confirmed that she won't be back for that match?
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 4, 2023 2:53:16 GMT -5
Lucy Chertock plays OH and MB so, if that's who they're talking about, yes. Well, Chertock is not playing MB in college, but I do agree she's excellent - I have been saying so for a while now. I for one am tired of hearing about the same names all the time, it just creates an insane amount of hype, of which very few actually meet. Like have people actually WATCHED players like Mullen or Spears actually play? They are good, but they aren't THAT much better than a number of players out there. Chertock is someone that is seriously flying under the radar, at least when it comes to convos on volleytalk...she can ball with the best of the 2025 class.
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 2:59:16 GMT -5
Lucy Chertock plays OH and MB so, if that's who they're talking about, yes. Well, Chertock is not playing MB in college, but I do agree she's excellent - I have been saying so far a while now. I for one am tired of hearing about the same names all the time, it just creates an insane amount of hype, of which very few actually meet. Like have people actually WATCHED players like Mullen or Spears actually play? They are good, but they aren't THAT much better than a number of players out there. Chertock is someone that is seriously flying under the radar, at least when it comes to convos on volleytalk...she can ball with the best of the 2025 class. Thanks for touting her. I assumed liberosetter was being semi-facetious and that the context of the question was "Would she be better in an emergency than Tufuga?" (the player who is subbing in for Francis). I think she probably would be but would like to hear your thoughts. Stanford really needs more middles. It seems to be a chronic problem.
I completely agree that would not be why you'd recruit her or her best developmental path.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 4, 2023 3:19:35 GMT -5
Well, Chertock is not playing MB in college, but I do agree she's excellent - I have been saying so far a while now. I for one am tired of hearing about the same names all the time, it just creates an insane amount of hype, of which very few actually meet. Like have people actually WATCHED players like Mullen or Spears actually play? They are good, but they aren't THAT much better than a number of players out there. Chertock is someone that is seriously flying under the radar, at least when it comes to convos on volleytalk...she can ball with the best of the 2025 class. Thanks for touting her. I assumed liberosetter was being semi-facetious and that the context of the question was "Would she be better in an emergency than Tufuga?" (the player who is subbing in for Francis). I think she probably would be but would like to hear your thoughts. Stanford really needs more middles. It seems to be a chronic problem.
I completely agree that would not be why you'd recruit her or her best developmental path.
I have no comment on Chertock playing MB as I've only seen her on the OH, but I think the middle situation at Stanford, while unfortunate, is more of an unlucky circumstance the last few years, not something endemic with the program. On paper, had all things worked out, they would have this year 4 middles - Vincini, A. Smith, L. Smith, and Francis. All of these players were elite high school prospects at the time of recruitment. I'm not sure what else the program could have done other than hope for players NOT to get injured?
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 4:27:16 GMT -5
Thanks for touting her. I assumed liberosetter was being semi-facetious and that the context of the question was "Would she be better in an emergency than Tufuga?" (the player who is subbing in for Francis). I think she probably would be but would like to hear your thoughts. Stanford really needs more middles. It seems to be a chronic problem.
I completely agree that would not be why you'd recruit her or her best developmental path.
I have no comment on Chertock playing MB as I've only seen her on the OH, but I think the middle situation at Stanford, while unfortunate, is more of an unlucky circumstance the last few years, not something endemic with the program. On paper, had all things worked out, they would have this year 4 middles - Vincini, A. Smith, L. Smith, and Francis. All of these players were elite high school prospects at the time of recruitment. I'm not sure what else the program could have done other than hope for players NOT to get injured? It's unfortunate and unlucky. But I think there were things that Hambly could have done to mitigate the problem. L. Smith was injured coming into Stanford and her entire time here so IMO it wasn't reasonable for Hambly to count on her after the first year. He had to know there was a good chance that she wouldn't be available. Francis has been frequently injured or ill, so again, at least IMO, you need to take that into account when deciding how many middles you need. A. Smith has also been injured a fair amount.
I think that Hambly could have recruited more middles. I also think he should have used the portal last off season, and possibly the year before, to find at least one more middle. It looks like we'll be light on middles next season too and, if we don't get T. Harvey, I'm not sure how many starting middles we'll have in 2025.
I agree it's not necessarily a problem from 2025 onward but there's a good reason so many Stanford fans are concerned about middles.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 4, 2023 10:42:37 GMT -5
I have no comment on Chertock playing MB as I've only seen her on the OH, but I think the middle situation at Stanford, while unfortunate, is more of an unlucky circumstance the last few years, not something endemic with the program. On paper, had all things worked out, they would have this year 4 middles - Vincini, A. Smith, L. Smith, and Francis. All of these players were elite high school prospects at the time of recruitment. I'm not sure what else the program could have done other than hope for players NOT to get injured? It's unfortunate and unlucky. But I think there were things that Hambly could have done to mitigate the problem. L. Smith was injured coming into Stanford and her entire time here so IMO it wasn't reasonable for Hambly to count on her after the first year. He had to know there was a good chance that she wouldn't be available. Francis has been frequently injured or ill, so again, at least IMO, you need to take that into account when deciding how many middles you need. A. Smith has also been injured a fair amount.
I think that Hambly could have recruited more middles. I also think he should have used the portal last off season, and possibly the year before, to find at least one more middle. It looks like we'll be light on middles next season too and, if we don't get T. Harvey, I'm not sure how many starting middles we'll have in 2025.
I agree it's not necessarily a problem from 2025 onward but there's a good reason so many Stanford fans are concerned about middles.
because stanford is a premiere program that competes for the very best recruits, they actually have quite a small window to recruit elite players each year. except for the ones going to stanford, pretty much all top tier recruits are committed within 2 months of being able to talk w coaches. 2021 - 3 healthy middles on roster and Francis was an OH. this was the year it was realized L. smith was never going to actually play and all of the top 2023s were already committed at this point... so no chance to recruit any sort of top middles until 2024 (which he did) regardless, I dont think its fair to say that hambly should've recruited more middles... without injuries he would have 4 highly recruited MBs right now, 3 of whom were top 10 recruits. lastly, it is 10x more difficult for hambly to use the portal than anyone else, that is never going to be a consistent or legit option for them
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 11:02:28 GMT -5
It's unfortunate and unlucky. But I think there were things that Hambly could have done to mitigate the problem. L. Smith was injured coming into Stanford and her entire time here so IMO it wasn't reasonable for Hambly to count on her after the first year. He had to know there was a good chance that she wouldn't be available. Francis has been frequently injured or ill, so again, at least IMO, you need to take that into account when deciding how many middles you need. A. Smith has also been injured a fair amount.
I think that Hambly could have recruited more middles. I also think he should have used the portal last off season, and possibly the year before, to find at least one more middle. It looks like we'll be light on middles next season too and, if we don't get T. Harvey, I'm not sure how many starting middles we'll have in 2025.
I agree it's not necessarily a problem from 2025 onward but there's a good reason so many Stanford fans are concerned about middles.
because stanford is a premiere program that competes for the very best recruits, they actually have quite a small; window to recruit elite players each year. except fro the ones going to stanford, pretty much all top tier recruits ate committed within 2 months of being able to talk w coaches. 2021 - 3 healthy middles on roster and Francis was an OH. this was the year it was realized L. smith was never going to actually play and all of the top 2023s were already committed at this point... so no chance to recruit any sort of top middles until 2024 (which he did) regardless, I dont think its fair to say that hambly should've recruited more middles... without injuries he would have 4 highly recruited MBs right now, 3 of whom were top 10 recruits. lastly, it is 10x more difficult for hambly to use the portal than anyone else, that is never going to be a consistent or legit option for them Right on, GP....VERY well stated. Also, I fully agree...which is rare...with ay's last statement. Advise to SU aficionados re: the current MB situation: kick back; take a breath; it's gonna be okay. Here's why: Stanford's right-in-the-mix for little Harvey...a decision/announcement is soon forthcoming. Also, Lizzy Andrew ain't chopped meat. Sidney Duncan can be thought of as the next Tufuga (swiss army knife). It is not due to an absence of effort, approach, or trying that health circumstances have taken this toll. Staff are acutely aware of the need for top MBs to come to SU. They actually know what they're doing!
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 11:13:51 GMT -5
It's unfortunate and unlucky. But I think there were things that Hambly could have done to mitigate the problem. L. Smith was injured coming into Stanford and her entire time here so IMO it wasn't reasonable for Hambly to count on her after the first year. He had to know there was a good chance that she wouldn't be available. Francis has been frequently injured or ill, so again, at least IMO, you need to take that into account when deciding how many middles you need. A. Smith has also been injured a fair amount.
I think that Hambly could have recruited more middles. I also think he should have used the portal last off season, and possibly the year before, to find at least one more middle. It looks like we'll be light on middles next season too and, if we don't get T. Harvey, I'm not sure how many starting middles we'll have in 2025.
I agree it's not necessarily a problem from 2025 onward but there's a good reason so many Stanford fans are concerned about middles.
because stanford is a premiere program that competes for the very best recruits, they actually have quite a small; window to recruit elite players each year. except fro the ones going to stanford, pretty much all top tier recruits ate committed within 2 months of being able to talk w coaches. 2021 - 3 healthy middles on roster and Francis was an OH. this was the year it was realized L. smith was never going to actually play and all of the top 2023s were already committed at this point... so no chance to recruit any sort of top middles until 2024 (which he did) regardless, I dont think its fair to say that hambly should've recruited more middles... without injuries he would have 4 highly recruited MBs right now, 3 of whom were top 10 recruits. lastly, it is 10x more difficult for hambly to use the portal than anyone else, that is never going to be a consistent or legit option for them As to your first point, that has always been the case at Stanford and IMO it makes it even more imperative that Kevin use the portal when he can (which has been the whole time that ppl had an extra covid year). We are recruiting against Nebraska and Texas, both of whom use the portal regularly. Why make it even harder on yourself by a self-imposed restriction on your recruiting? We already have restrictions that other top teams don't face, including lack of pay for play NIL and stiff academic requirements.
Why would it be 10xs more difficult for Hambly to use the portal than anyone else, specifically in the last few years when there are tons of grad students there? Stanford does not make it hard for grad students to come to Stanford (other than academic qualifications); half its students are grad students. They WANT grad students, partly bc they don't have to provide housing for them. Many of its grad programs are easier to get into than undergrad (tho not all the grad programs).
We'll have to agree to disagree about ignoring injuries. I think it's foolish when the player has a history of injuries. You think it's reasonable. Doubt we'll ever agree on that.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 11:32:36 GMT -5
Lucy Chertock plays OH and MB so, if that's who they're talking about, yes. Indeed, it is Lucy Chertock from Pleasanton. She’s a good one. Not too sure how many scholarships we have left, but we don’t need to use two scholarships on pins for 2025. (If) Mullen and DeMaria are truly on board, then I don’t see how there’s room for this other player. Not taking anything away from her potential, just seeing things on a scholarship perspective
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 11:33:50 GMT -5
Sometimes I wish Stanford recruits didn’t have to wait so long to announce their commitment. I get anxious lol
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Post by Sbilo on Oct 4, 2023 11:47:34 GMT -5
Speaking of MBs - I hope there’s another Carly Wopat out there who can play for Stanford. One of my all-time favourite Cardinal players ever. Just incredibly athletic. Shame she never went on to play for Team USA.
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Post by vollectator on Oct 4, 2023 11:51:39 GMT -5
To what extent athletes (with grades) recruit Stanford? you guys make it sound like Hambly has a tough job recruiting. I'm not sure I buy that.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Oct 4, 2023 11:51:58 GMT -5
Sometimes I wish Stanford recruits didn’t have to wait so long to announce their commitment. I get anxious lol Agreed
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 12:15:12 GMT -5
Speaking of MBs - I hope there’s another Carly Wopat out there who can play for Stanford. One of my all-time favourite Cardinal players ever. Just incredibly athletic. Shame she never went on to play for Team USA. Can you believe we had Wopat and Ajanaku playing together at some point? I miss that 🥲
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