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Post by Sbilo on Oct 4, 2023 12:20:00 GMT -5
Speaking of MBs - I hope there’s another Carly Wopat out there who can play for Stanford. One of my all-time favourite Cardinal players ever. Just incredibly athletic. Shame she never went on to play for Team USA. Can you believe we had Wopat and Ajanaku playing together at some point? I miss that 🥲 That regional final loss to Penn State in 2013 (who eventually won the NCAA that year) is probably the most painful loss for me as a Card fan. We were so close. We had Inky/Wopat in the middle, Burgess/Howard in the OH and Williams as a Right side and Bugg as the setter. Glad we beat the Nittany Lions in many regional finals after that. Best feeling ever.
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Post by bobbk on Oct 4, 2023 12:20:49 GMT -5
We could have 6 openings for 2025 There are huge housing buildings at Stanford for grad students But many programs require work experience. I have never heard Hambly say he’s against the portal it’s just very hard for Stanford to get transfers Several years ago Stanford lost a 4.25 player. Admissions is tough
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 12:22:06 GMT -5
Can you believe we had Wopat and Ajanaku playing together at some point? I miss that 🥲 That regional final loss to Penn State in 2013 (who eventually won the NCAA that year) is probably the most painful loss for me as a Card fan. We were so close. We had Inky/Wopat in the middle, Burgess/Howard in the OH and Williams as a Right side and Bugg as the setter. Glad we beat the Nittany Lions in many regional finals after that. Best feeling ever. Agreed about the loss! I was devastated That match made me a Micha Hancock hater lol
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 12:24:16 GMT -5
Speaking of MBs - I hope there’s another Carly Wopat out there who can play for Stanford. One of my all-time favourite Cardinal players ever. Just incredibly athletic. Shame she never went on to play for Team USA. Can you believe we had Wopat and Ajanaku playing together at some point? I miss that 🥲 Side note: I believe Wopat is a fire fighter now! Totally fits her
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 12:43:33 GMT -5
I believe yall are going afte Suli Davis as well Thanks. I knew I was forgetting someone. Are we going after Spears?Spears just announced her commitment to UT (da 'horns).
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 12:49:52 GMT -5
We could have 6 openings for 2025 There are huge housing buildings at Stanford for grad students But many programs require work experience. I have never heard Hambly say he’s against the portal it’s just very hard for Stanford to get transfers Several years ago Stanford lost a 4.25 player. Admissions is tough Assuming you were addressing some of the points I raised:
I never said Stanford didn't provide graduate housing. They have several grad residences. But housing is not guaranteed for grad students. It is for undergrads. Big difference.
Has Hambly ever used the portal? He said Gates called him after she'd been accepted at Stanford and was on campus. All our competitors use the portal. Many are extremely active in recruiting via the portal.
Yes, it's hard to get into Stanford. That is another advantage of going after grad students. It is easier to get into many grad programs than undergrad.
Not that it matters much going forward since this year is pretty much the last hurrah for the covid year grad transfers. But there will still be some grad transfers.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2023 12:56:19 GMT -5
Can you believe we had Wopat and Ajanaku playing together at some point? I miss that 🥲 That regional final loss to Penn State in 2013 (who eventually won the NCAA that year) is probably the most painful loss for me as a Card fan. We were so close. We had Inky/Wopat in the middle, Burgess/Howard in the OH and Williams as a Right side and Bugg as the setter. Glad we beat the Nittany Lions in many regional finals after that. Best feeling ever. My most painful loss was 2007 in Sacramento. I was there in Arco Arena, which was a relatively home crowd feeling. We had lost the first 2 sets to Penn State, but then won the third, and crushed them in the fourth 30-19. We fans were in euphoria witnessing an amazing come-from-behind win against #1 Penn State who was on a very long win-streak. Then we sort of broke down early in the 5th. I love Bryn Kehoe, who is my 2nd all time favorite Card setter after Jenna Gray. Kehoe had also won us a NT as a freshman in 2004. But in the 5th, I found myself questioning her decisions, not being as "on" as she normally is. Well, we couldn't frickin' buy a kill in the 5th. And we had Foluke for crying out loud. And Klineman!! And Barboza! Oh man that was painful. After being on a huge high watching your team amidst this amazing comeback, to come emotionally tumbling down after watching the season end abruptly on some not great playing. Years later I was almost able to re-watch the 5th set, but didn't make it. It is just too painful to get through.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 12:59:16 GMT -5
To what extent athletes (with grades) recruit Stanford? you guys make it sound like Hambly has a tough job recruiting. I'm not sure I buy that. To get back to the current and future state of SU WVB...to answer this, there's a very well-informed SU follower who goes to camps, age-group meets, invitationals, etc. He stated that Kevin's like a rock star out there amongst future PSAs. KH stated after the 2018 NCAA title: "Stanford's always going to sell". There is a faction here who firmly are hanging on to/ miss the days of Denise Corlett. Movin' on, kids! Yeah: tbph, it's the more widespread, competitive nature of winning prized recruits' commitments which Hambly and staff are now facing. There were not nearly as many top competing programs in the past.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 4, 2023 13:03:37 GMT -5
Do the top athletes not get garunteed admissions as long as they meet the minimum requirements?
I thought athletics would be a HUGE selling point for admissions, and as long as you make what is needed you should be fine?
The only athletes I was aware of, or at least heard through this site that did not make stanford admissions was ross right?
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Post by slxpress on Oct 4, 2023 13:05:38 GMT -5
We could have 6 openings for 2025 There are huge housing buildings at Stanford for grad students But many programs require work experience. I have never heard Hambly say he’s against the portal it’s just very hard for Stanford to get transfers Several years ago Stanford lost a 4.25 player. Admissions is tough Assuming you were addressing some of the points I raised:
I never said Stanford didn't provide graduate housing. They have several grad residences. But housing is not guaranteed for grad students. It is for undergrads. Big difference.
Has Hambly ever used the portal? He said Gates called him after she'd been accepted at Stanford and was on campus. All our competitors use the portal. Many are extremely active in recruiting via the portal.
Yes, it's hard to get into Stanford. That is another advantage of going after grad students. It is easier to get into many grad programs than undergrad.
Not that it matters much going forward since this year is pretty much the last hurrah for the covid year grad transfers. But there will still be some grad transfers.
I don’t have any real insights but I thought football had been granted some waivers for transfer students. In football it’s practically imperative that Stanford coaches be allowed to bring in transfers in order to have any chance at competitiveness. But I don’t know how that would translate to the rest of the athletic department. I also don’t know how many players are actually enrolling in grad school. For example, Bella Bergmark graduated from Cal before transferring to Texas, but according to press releases she’s getting another undergrad degree in strategic communications, not a masters. Other grad transfers like Zoe Fleck from UCLA, Jenna Ewert from Colorado, and Kayla Caffey from Nebraska obtained graduate certificates, which I didn’t even know was a thing. Would Stanford have an equivalent to that in their grad school, or is it Masters or bust?
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 13:17:02 GMT -5
Assuming you were addressing some of the points I raised:
I never said Stanford didn't provide graduate housing. They have several grad residences. But housing is not guaranteed for grad students. It is for undergrads. Big difference.
Has Hambly ever used the portal? He said Gates called him after she'd been accepted at Stanford and was on campus. All our competitors use the portal. Many are extremely active in recruiting via the portal.
Yes, it's hard to get into Stanford. That is another advantage of going after grad students. It is easier to get into many grad programs than undergrad.
Not that it matters much going forward since this year is pretty much the last hurrah for the covid year grad transfers. But there will still be some grad transfers.
I don’t have any real insights but I thought football had been granted some waivers for transfer students. In football it’s practically imperative that Stanford coaches be allowed to bring in transfers in order to have any chance at competitiveness. But I don’t know how that would translate to the rest of the athletic department. I also don’t know how many players are actually enrolling in grad school. For example, Bella Bergmark graduated from Cal before transferring to Texas, but according to press releases she’s getting another undergrad degree in strategic communications, not a masters. Other grad transfers like Zoe Fleck from UCLA, Jenna Ewert from Colorado, and Kayla Caffey from Nebraska obtained graduate certificates, which I didn’t even know was a thing. Would Stanford have an equivalent to that in their grad school, or is it Masters or bust? You have to get a masters at Stanford. Some sports fans want Stanford to offer degrees for athletes (that they'd have to offer to everyone but their target group would be athletes) to make Stanford more attractive, but I'd be shocked if Stanford did something like that. Its brand is being one of the best schools in the world and offering jock degrees would weaken the brand. (I also think it would make Stanford less attractive to those athletes who value Stanford's academics.)
Football has accepted some undergrad transfers. I'm not sure if any other sports have, tho football and a few other sports had recruits matriculate in the spring instead of the fall last year. AFAIK, that was a first. So Stanford is slowly changing to make it easier to recruit and not just for football. I think they may have allowed Kevin to bring in an undergrad in place of Leilah Smith last year, bc allowing undergrad transfers for medical retirement an easy way to limit the number of undergrad athletic transfers. They wouldn't have to worry about setting a precedent that would undermine their transfer policy.
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Post by slxpress on Oct 4, 2023 13:31:26 GMT -5
I don’t have any real insights but I thought football had been granted some waivers for transfer students. In football it’s practically imperative that Stanford coaches be allowed to bring in transfers in order to have any chance at competitiveness. But I don’t know how that would translate to the rest of the athletic department. I also don’t know how many players are actually enrolling in grad school. For example, Bella Bergmark graduated from Cal before transferring to Texas, but according to press releases she’s getting another undergrad degree in strategic communications, not a masters. Other grad transfers like Zoe Fleck from UCLA, Jenna Ewert from Colorado, and Kayla Caffey from Nebraska obtained graduate certificates, which I didn’t even know was a thing. Would Stanford have an equivalent to that in their grad school, or is it Masters or bust? You have to get a masters at Stanford. Some sports fans want Stanford to offer degrees for athletes (that they'd have to offer to everyone but their target group would be athletes) to make Stanford more attractive, but I'd be shocked if Stanford did something like that. It's brand is being one of the best schools in the world and offering jock degrees would weaken the brand. (I also think it would make Stanford less attractive to those athletes who value Stanford's academics.)
Football has accepted some undergrad transfers. I'm not sure if any other sports have, tho football and a few other sports had recruits matriculate in the spring instead of the fall last year. AFAIK, that was a first. So Stanford is slowly changing to make it easier to recruit and not just for football. I think they may have allowed Kevin to bring in an undergrad in place of Leilah Smith last year, bc allowing undergrad transfers for medical retirement an easy way to limit the number of undergrad athletic transfers. They wouldn't have to worry about setting a precedent that would undermine their transfer policy.
I don’t know if the graduate certificates are jock degrees, as much as part of the mission of a public school to offer graduate programs that don’t require a masters. But it wouldn’t matter. Stanford doesn’t have the same mission as Texas. My point is that the comparative ease of getting into Stanford’s grad programs still may not open doors even if all other obstacles are overcome, because at least with the grad transfers I’m aware of, they’re not getting masters degrees in any case. Yeah, I know Rice allowed their first early entry spring participants in football this past year as well. But while getting in as a transfer at Rice has never been easy, it’s never been the same kind of obstacle it is for Stanford. In any case, mostly I’m an interested observer in how Stanford handles things moving forward. I’ve always admired Stanford maintaining a different standard when it comes to athletics while also wondering how long it could be maintained. Transfers in particular just seems like an area where uncomfortable compromises are going to have to be broached, at least in a very limited way.
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 13:46:58 GMT -5
You have to get a masters at Stanford. Some sports fans want Stanford to offer degrees for athletes (that they'd have to offer to everyone but their target group would be athletes) to make Stanford more attractive, but I'd be shocked if Stanford did something like that. It's brand is being one of the best schools in the world and offering jock degrees would weaken the brand. (I also think it would make Stanford less attractive to those athletes who value Stanford's academics.)
Football has accepted some undergrad transfers. I'm not sure if any other sports have, tho football and a few other sports had recruits matriculate in the spring instead of the fall last year. AFAIK, that was a first. So Stanford is slowly changing to make it easier to recruit and not just for football. I think they may have allowed Kevin to bring in an undergrad in place of Leilah Smith last year, bc allowing undergrad transfers for medical retirement an easy way to limit the number of undergrad athletic transfers. They wouldn't have to worry about setting a precedent that would undermine their transfer policy.
I don’t know if the graduate certificates are jock degrees, as much as part of the mission of a public school to offer graduate programs that don’t require a masters. But it wouldn’t matter. Stanford doesn’t have the same mission as Texas. My point is that the comparative ease of getting into Stanford’s grad programs still may not open doors even if all other obstacles are overcome, because at least with the grad transfers I’m aware of, they’re not getting masters degrees in any case. Yeah, I know Rice allowed their first early entry spring participants in football this past year as well. But while getting in as a transfer at Rice has never been easy, it’s never been the same kind of obstacle it is for Stanford. In any case, mostly I’m an interested observer in how Stanford handles things moving forward. I’ve always admired Stanford maintaining a different standard when it comes to athletics while also wondering how long it could be maintained. Transfers in particular just seems like an area where uncomfortable compromises are going to have to be broached, at least in a very limited way. I wasn't commenting on Texas' degrees but describing what some Stanford fans I know want.
I understood your point that not every grad transfer would want a masters from Stanford. I made the same point in a recent match thread where we were discussing our lack of middles. There are reasons that not every grad transfer who qualified would want to come to Stanford. Degree requirements is probably the biggest one, though there are others. Palo Alto is an expensive place to live and the culture is not for everyone. Not having the degree that you want would be another. I'm sure there are others.
I'm not suggesting that Hambly would have loads of potential grad transfers if only he'd look in the portal and talk to a few players there. But I think there would be SOME players there who'd want to transfer to Stanford.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 4, 2023 13:53:02 GMT -5
Here is why the portal is not a good fit for Stanford: - Undergrads: Stanford doesn't accept transfers who are juniors or seniors - in order to get a degree from Stanford, you have to complete two years at Stanford. So a lot of transfers you see that you think might be a good fit, are ineligible anyway. And when you do transfer, you have to go through the same process as undergrads - write essays, get professor recommendations, etc. That's a lot of work when the other options don't make you jump through the hoops.
- Grads: The Stanford athletic department has some sway with the undergraduate admissions office, because they have had a long-standing relationship. However, when it comes to graduate departments, they have NO sway at all. The student needs to be accepted first into the department. Just because Hambly wants them as a grad student doesn't mean anything. For example... Stanford softball had an All-American on its roster this past year who wanted to spend her Covid year at Stanford... but the graduate school she applied to didn't accept her and she had to find a new home.
So no, it's not easy for Hambly or any Stanford coach not associated with football for that matter, to use the portal. It's not impossible, but the situation has to be just right and literally has to fall into their laps for it to happen.
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Post by slxpress on Oct 4, 2023 13:55:43 GMT -5
Here is why the portal is not a good fit for Stanford: - Undergrads: Stanford doesn't accept transfers who are juniors or seniors - in order to get a degree from Stanford, you have to complete two years at Stanford. So a lot of transfers you see that you think might be a good fit, are ineligible anyway. And when you do transfer, you have to go through the same process as undergrads - write essays, get professor recommendations, etc. That's a lot of work when the other options don't make you jump through the hoops.
- Grads: The Stanford athletic department has some sway with the undergraduate admissions office, because they have had a long-standing relationship. However, when it comes to graduate departments, they have NO sway at all. The student needs to be accepted first into the department. Just because Hambly wants them as a grad student doesn't mean anything. For example... Stanford softball had an All-American on its roster this past year who wanted to spend her Covid year at Stanford... but the graduate school she applied to didn't accept her and she had to find a new home.
So no, it's not easy for Hambly or any Stanford coach not associated with football for that matter, to use the portal. It's not impossible, but the situation has to be just right and literally has to fall into their laps for it to happen.
How does it work for football then?
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