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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 14:04:24 GMT -5
I don’t know if the graduate certificates are jock degrees, as much as part of the mission of a public school to offer graduate programs that don’t require a masters. But it wouldn’t matter. Stanford doesn’t have the same mission as Texas. My point is that the comparative ease of getting into Stanford’s grad programs still may not open doors even if all other obstacles are overcome, because at least with the grad transfers I’m aware of, they’re not getting masters degrees in any case. Yeah, I know Rice allowed their first early entry spring participants in football this past year as well. But while getting in as a transfer at Rice has never been easy, it’s never been the same kind of obstacle it is for Stanford. In any case, mostly I’m an interested observer in how Stanford handles things moving forward. I’ve always admired Stanford maintaining a different standard when it comes to athletics while also wondering how long it could be maintained. Transfers in particular just seems like an area where uncomfortable compromises are going to have to be broached, at least in a very limited way. I wasn't commenting on Texas' degrees but describing what some Stanford fans I know want.
I understood your point that not every grad transfer would want a masters from Stanford. I made the same point in a recent match thread where we were discussing our lack of middles. There are reasons that not every grad transfer who qualified would want to come to Stanford. Degree requirements is probably the biggest one, though there are others. Palo Alto is an expensive place to live and the culture is not for everyone. Not having the degree that you want would be another. I'm sure there are others.
I'm not suggesting that Hambly would have loads of potential grad transfers if only he'd look in the portal and talk to a few players there. But I think there would be SOME players there who'd want to transfer to Stanford.
I'm going to expand the part that I highlighted to undergrads as well. TBH, Stanford is not for everyone: graduate student or incoming PSA. Kevin offered Kristen Simon (2025 L/DS) a full-ride scholarship. She turned it down...with cultural "fit" being a significant factor. She eventually signed with Wisconsin.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 4, 2023 14:07:06 GMT -5
Here is why the portal is not a good fit for Stanford: - Undergrads: Stanford doesn't accept transfers who are juniors or seniors - in order to get a degree from Stanford, you have to complete two years at Stanford. So a lot of transfers you see that you think might be a good fit, are ineligible anyway. And when you do transfer, you have to go through the same process as undergrads - write essays, get professor recommendations, etc. That's a lot of work when the other options don't make you jump through the hoops.
- Grads: The Stanford athletic department has some sway with the undergraduate admissions office, because they have had a long-standing relationship. However, when it comes to graduate departments, they have NO sway at all. The student needs to be accepted first into the department. Just because Hambly wants them as a grad student doesn't mean anything. For example... Stanford softball had an All-American on its roster this past year who wanted to spend her Covid year at Stanford... but the graduate school she applied to didn't accept her and she had to find a new home.
So no, it's not easy for Hambly or any Stanford coach not associated with football for that matter, to use the portal. It's not impossible, but the situation has to be just right and literally has to fall into their laps for it to happen.
How does it work for football then? To be honest, i don't know because I don't care about football. However, I do know football has a separate set of rules than all the other teams.
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Post by baytree on Oct 4, 2023 14:22:06 GMT -5
I wasn't commenting on Texas' degrees but describing what some Stanford fans I know want.
I understood your point that not every grad transfer would want a masters from Stanford. I made the same point in a recent match thread where we were discussing our lack of middles. There are reasons that not every grad transfer who qualified would want to come to Stanford. Degree requirements is probably the biggest one, though there are others. Palo Alto is an expensive place to live and the culture is not for everyone. Not having the degree that you want would be another. I'm sure there are others.
I'm not suggesting that Hambly would have loads of potential grad transfers if only he'd look in the portal and talk to a few players there. But I think there would be SOME players there who'd want to transfer to Stanford.
I'm going to expand the part that I highlighted to undergrads as well. TBH, Stanford is not for everyone: graduate student or incoming PSA. Kevin offered Kristen Simon (2025 L/DS) a full-ride scholarship. She turned it down...with cultural "fit" being a significant factor. She eventually signed with Wisconsin. Right but cultural fit and similar issues apply to every program. Not everyone wants to live in Lincoln, Austin, or Madison either. Overall, I think Stanford benefits from this bc of the climate, though not everyone likes the Mediterranean climate either. Some would miss the seasons that are typical in the northeast and midwest.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 14:28:31 GMT -5
Thanks. I knew I was forgetting someone. Are we going after Spears?Spears just announced her commitment to UT (da 'horns). Saw this coming from miles away. Good for her. She’s a stud Now can Harvey PLEASE join her sister at the farm!! I’m begging 😭
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 4, 2023 14:33:35 GMT -5
That regional final loss to Penn State in 2013 (who eventually won the NCAA that year) is probably the most painful loss for me as a Card fan. We were so close. We had Inky/Wopat in the middle, Burgess/Howard in the OH and Williams as a Right side and Bugg as the setter. Glad we beat the Nittany Lions in many regional finals after that. Best feeling ever. My most painful loss was 2007 in Sacramento. I was there in Arco Arena, which was a relatively home crowd feeling. We had lost the first 2 sets to Penn State, but then won the third, and crushed them in the fourth 30-19. We fans were in euphoria witnessing an amazing come-from-behind win against #1 Penn State who was on a very long win-streak. Then we sort of broke down early in the 5th. I love Bryn Kehoe, who is my 2nd all time favorite Card setter after Jenna Gray. Kehoe had also won us a NT as a freshman in 2004. But in the 5th, I found myself questioning her decisions, not being as "on" as she normally is. Well, we couldn't frickin' buy a kill in the 5th. And we had Foluke for crying out loud. And Klineman!! And Barboza! Oh man that was painful. After being on a huge high watching your team amidst this amazing comeback, to come emotionally tumbling down after watching the season end abruptly on some not great playing. Years later I was almost able to re-watch the 5th set, but didn't make it. It is just too painful to get through. Ailes was fun to watch as well. Baller out of Nebraska I can’t remember if her or Hentz hold the digs record at Stanford Quick correction: Stanford was actually # 1 that year. Penn State was #3.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 14:40:18 GMT -5
My most painful loss was 2007 in Sacramento. I was there in Arco Arena, which was a relatively home crowd feeling. We had lost the first 2 sets to Penn State, but then won the third, and crushed them in the fourth 30-19. We fans were in euphoria witnessing an amazing come-from-behind win against #1 Penn State who was on a very long win-streak. Then we sort of broke down early in the 5th. I love Bryn Kehoe, who is my 2nd all time favorite Card setter after Jenna Gray. Kehoe had also won us a NT as a freshman in 2004. But in the 5th, I found myself questioning her decisions, not being as "on" as she normally is. Well, we couldn't frickin' buy a kill in the 5th. And we had Foluke for crying out loud. And Klineman!! And Barboza! Oh man that was painful. After being on a huge high watching your team amidst this amazing comeback, to come emotionally tumbling down after watching the season end abruptly on some not great playing. Years later I was almost able to re-watch the 5th set, but didn't make it. It is just too painful to get through. Ailes was fun to watch as well. Baller out of Nebraska I can’t remember if her or Hentz hold the digs record at Stanford Morgan broke Gabi's record.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 15:58:48 GMT -5
Here is why the portal is not a good fit for Stanford: - Undergrads: Stanford doesn't accept transfers who are juniors or seniors - in order to get a degree from Stanford, you have to complete two years at Stanford. So a lot of transfers you see that you think might be a good fit, are ineligible anyway. And when you do transfer, you have to go through the same process as undergrads - write essays, get professor recommendations, etc. That's a lot of work when the other options don't make you jump through the hoops.
- Grads: The Stanford athletic department has some sway with the undergraduate admissions office, because they have had a long-standing relationship. However, when it comes to graduate departments, they have NO sway at all. The student needs to be accepted first into the department. Just because Hambly wants them as a grad student doesn't mean anything. For example... Stanford softball had an All-American on its roster this past year who wanted to spend her Covid year at Stanford... but the graduate school she applied to didn't accept her and she had to find a new home.
So no, it's not easy for Hambly or any Stanford coach not associated with football for that matter, to use the portal. It's not impossible, but the situation has to be just right and literally has to fall into their laps for it to happen.
Was that Vawter?
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Post by bobbk on Oct 4, 2023 16:19:27 GMT -5
Yes Vawter. Sadly
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Post by bobbk on Oct 4, 2023 16:19:51 GMT -5
Yes Vawter. Sadly
Of course Stanford got a great softball transfer. A now soph
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 4, 2023 16:53:06 GMT -5
Here is why the portal is not a good fit for Stanford: - Undergrads: Stanford doesn't accept transfers who are juniors or seniors - in order to get a degree from Stanford, you have to complete two years at Stanford. So a lot of transfers you see that you think might be a good fit, are ineligible anyway. And when you do transfer, you have to go through the same process as undergrads - write essays, get professor recommendations, etc. That's a lot of work when the other options don't make you jump through the hoops.
- Grads: The Stanford athletic department has some sway with the undergraduate admissions office, because they have had a long-standing relationship. However, when it comes to graduate departments, they have NO sway at all. The student needs to be accepted first into the department. Just because Hambly wants them as a grad student doesn't mean anything. For example... Stanford softball had an All-American on its roster this past year who wanted to spend her Covid year at Stanford... but the graduate school she applied to didn't accept her and she had to find a new home.
Was that Vawter?Alana Vawter virtually singlehandedly brought back my interest in SU Softball. After a number of unnoteworthy seasons, Vawter's presence...along with Coach Allister improving SU's quality so much in her six seasons so far...has been great! She didn't miss as many bats as NiJaree Canady does and yet Alana was a workhorse par excellence! Along with the new stud transfer Taryn Kern things look promising.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 4, 2023 19:03:57 GMT -5
My most painful loss was 2007 in Sacramento. I was there in Arco Arena, which was a relatively home crowd feeling. We had lost the first 2 sets to Penn State, but then won the third, and crushed them in the fourth 30-19. We fans were in euphoria witnessing an amazing come-from-behind win against #1 Penn State who was on a very long win-streak. Then we sort of broke down early in the 5th. I love Bryn Kehoe, who is my 2nd all time favorite Card setter after Jenna Gray. Kehoe had also won us a NT as a freshman in 2004. But in the 5th, I found myself questioning her decisions, not being as "on" as she normally is. Well, we couldn't frickin' buy a kill in the 5th. And we had Foluke for crying out loud. And Klineman!! And Barboza! Oh man that was painful. After being on a huge high watching your team amidst this amazing comeback, to come emotionally tumbling down after watching the season end abruptly on some not great playing. Years later I was almost able to re-watch the 5th set, but didn't make it. It is just too painful to get through. Ailes was fun to watch as well. Baller out of Nebraska I can’t remember if her or Hentz hold the digs record at Stanford Quick correction: Stanford was actually # 1 that year. Penn State was #3. Well, Penn State had been ranked #1 since late October. Before that Nebraska was #1. Not sure Stanford was ever #1, maybe first couple weeks, not sure. Penn State had won twenty-something matches in a row, including going 20-0 in the B1G. Possibly because Stanford was the last team to have beaten Penn State, the committee decided to give Stanford the #1 seed.
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Post by dallasvolley on Oct 5, 2023 7:39:41 GMT -5
I don’t know if the graduate certificates are jock degrees, as much as part of the mission of a public school to offer graduate programs that don’t require a masters. But it wouldn’t matter. Stanford doesn’t have the same mission as Texas. My point is that the comparative ease of getting into Stanford’s grad programs still may not open doors even if all other obstacles are overcome, because at least with the grad transfers I’m aware of, they’re not getting masters degrees in any case. Yeah, I know Rice allowed their first early entry spring participants in football this past year as well. But while getting in as a transfer at Rice has never been easy, it’s never been the same kind of obstacle it is for Stanford. In any case, mostly I’m an interested observer in how Stanford handles things moving forward. I’ve always admired Stanford maintaining a different standard when it comes to athletics while also wondering how long it could be maintained. Transfers in particular just seems like an area where uncomfortable compromises are going to have to be broached, at least in a very limited way. I wasn't commenting on Texas' degrees but describing what some Stanford fans I know want.
I understood your point that not every grad transfer would want a masters from Stanford. I made the same point in a recent match thread where we were discussing our lack of middles. There are reasons that not every grad transfer who qualified would want to come to Stanford. Degree requirements is probably the biggest one, though there are others. Palo Alto is an expensive place to live and the culture is not for everyone. Not having the degree that you want would be another. I'm sure there are others.
I'm not suggesting that Hambly would have loads of potential grad transfers if only he'd look in the portal and talk to a few players there. But I think there would be SOME players there who'd want to transfer to Stanford.
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Post by dallasvolley on Oct 5, 2023 7:40:35 GMT -5
I'm going to expand the part that I highlighted to undergrads as well. TBH, Stanford is not for everyone: graduate student or incoming PSA. Kevin offered Kristen Simon (2025 L/DS) a full-ride scholarship. She turned it down...with cultural "fit" being a significant factor. She eventually signed with Wisconsin. Right but cultural fit and similar issues apply to every program. Not everyone wants to live in Lincoln, Austin, or Madison either. Overall, I think Stanford benefits from this bc of the climate, though not everyone likes the Mediterranean climate either. Some would miss the seasons that are typical in the northeast and midwest.
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Post by dallasvolley on Oct 5, 2023 7:46:07 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great but they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL!
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Post by skyspy on Oct 5, 2023 8:02:14 GMT -5
I wasn't commenting on Texas' degrees but describing what some Stanford fans I know want.
I understood your point that not every grad transfer would want a masters from Stanford. I made the same point in a recent match thread where we were discussing our lack of middles. There are reasons that not every grad transfer who qualified would want to come to Stanford. Degree requirements is probably the biggest one, though there are others. Palo Alto is an expensive place to live and the culture is not for everyone. Not having the degree that you want would be another. I'm sure there are others.
I'm not suggesting that Hambly would have loads of potential grad transfers if only he'd look in the portal and talk to a few players there. But I think there would be SOME players there who'd want to transfer to Stanford.
I'm going to expand the part that I highlighted to undergrads as well. TBH, Stanford is not for everyone: graduate student or incoming PSA. Kevin offered Kristen Simon (2025 L/DS) a full-ride scholarship. She turned it down...with cultural "fit" being a significant factor. She eventually signed with Wisconsin. I believe Simon picked UW because she really like the program culture, campus and city.
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