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Post by baytree on Oct 5, 2023 8:47:59 GMT -5
I'm going to expand the part that I highlighted to undergrads as well. TBH, Stanford is not for everyone: graduate student or incoming PSA. Kevin offered Kristen Simon (2025 L/DS) a full-ride scholarship. She turned it down...with cultural "fit" being a significant factor. She eventually signed with Wisconsin. I believe Simon picked UW because she really like the program culture, campus and city. The UW volleyball culture is very strong and you consistent hear the same reasoning from past and current players and commits about why they selected UW. Frankly, I'm surprised more top recruits are not picking UW. I think Stanford is a great program and school and should be landing top recruits, which I suspect they already have for 2025 that are not public yet. What is more interesting is the NU can out recruit so many top schools given its general location and much lower academic ranking than the Stanfords, UTs and UWs. Palo Alto, Austin and Madison are amazing places to live and got to school. Palo Alto, Austin, and Madison are all wonderful places. But I know ppl who dislike at least one of them and they're pretty different towns so I understand loving one and not liking another one. I could also understand e.g., wanting to live in a large city (or a rural area) so not wanting to live in any of them.
Not everyone cares about academics. Others care a lot about academics and would never lump Stanford in with UW or UT. Really, it depends on what you want and what you value. If you aren't planning to go to a competitive grad school, I'm not sure how important academics are to your success. You're probably better off going somewhere you love. OTOH, it's a lot easier to get into a top grad school if you go to a top undergrad program like Stanford than if you go to, e.g., directional state U or even Nebraska. Of course, some ppl love academic stuff so going somewhere like Stanford would be important just bc it would be a good fit and make them happy. Nerd Nation is real and if you love academic or intellectual stuff, Stanford is a wonderful place to spend four years.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 5, 2023 8:52:43 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great bu t they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL! How does that differ for Top 5-10 recruits picking Stanford? It's not like Selena Xu, Annabelle Smith, Laila Smith, etc. found their way onto the court very much; yes, the Smiths had injuries, but even if healthy they might not have ended up consistent starters due to the talent at their position.
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Post by baytree on Oct 5, 2023 9:09:44 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great bu t they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL! How does that differ for Top 5-10 recruits picking Stanford? It's not like Selena Xu, Annabelle Smith, Laila Smith, etc. found their way onto the court very much; yes, the Smiths had injuries, but even if healthy they might not have ended up consistent starters due to the talent at their position. Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter? I'm not sure why you mention her unless you're suggesting there are top programs without a backup setter.
Except for their frosh year when Campbell started and Vicini was the second middle, at least one of the Smiths would have almost certainly played. Probably not both of them unless there was an injury, though. Vicini probably would have been ahead of A. Smith. Though Vicini had a medical redshirt her frosh year so it would be reasonable for A. Smith to expect playing time. Last year, Francis and either L Smith or Vicini probably would have started but Francis was out a lot (and A Smith was also injured a fair amount).
I agree that most programs have good a good bench. I guess the question is, what percentage of top players in a program ride the bench or, for any particular player, who is likely to be in front of me in X program. I'm sure every player considers that in deciding on the program but, as is often noted, top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out.
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Post by horns1 on Oct 5, 2023 10:13:31 GMT -5
How does that differ for Top 5-10 recruits picking Stanford? It's not like Selena Xu, Annabelle Smith, Laila Smith, etc. found their way onto the court very much; yes, the Smiths had injuries, but even if healthy they might not have ended up consistent starters due to the talent at their position. Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter? I'm not sure why you mention her unless you're suggesting there are top programs without a backup setter.
Except for their frosh year when Campbell started and Vicini was the second middle, at least one of the Smiths would have almost certainly played. Probably not both of them unless there was an injury, though. Vicini probably would have been ahead of A. Smith. Though Vicini had a medical redshirt her frosh year so it would be reasonable for A. Smith to expect playing time. Last year, Francis and either L Smith or Vicini probably would have started but Francis was out a lot (and A Smith was also injured a fair amount).
I agree that most programs have good a good bench. I guess the question is, what percentage of top players in a program ride the bench or, for any particular player, who is likely to be in front of me in X program. I'm sure every player considers that in deciding on the program but, as is often noted, top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out.
Texas does not currently have a backup scholarship setter (much to my disdain) let alone a highly-ranked backup setter (as a senior high school recruit). I mention Xu because she was one of the top-ranked setters in her class; possibly Top 10 national recruit (I don't remember her exact ranking). So, for the 2-3 years Xu and Miner were on the Stanford roster, there were two Top 10 setter recruits; not many programs have that combination.
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Post by xlumie on Oct 5, 2023 11:25:31 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great but they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL! What were Singletary & Byrd's ranking. I know Devin was part of the JNT and very highly ranked.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 5, 2023 11:53:49 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great bu t they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL! How does that differ for Top 5-10 recruits picking Stanford? It's not like Selena Xu, Annabelle Smith, Laila Smith, etc. found their way onto the court very much; yes, the Smiths had injuries, but even if healthy they might not have ended up consistent starters due to the talent at their position. Annabelle smith was not a top 10 recruit
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Post by Word on Oct 5, 2023 12:02:43 GMT -5
Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter? I'm not sure why you mention her unless you're suggesting there are top programs without a backup setter.
Except for their frosh year when Campbell started and Vicini was the second middle, at least one of the Smiths would have almost certainly played. Probably not both of them unless there was an injury, though. Vicini probably would have been ahead of A. Smith. Though Vicini had a medical redshirt her frosh year so it would be reasonable for A. Smith to expect playing time. Last year, Francis and either L Smith or Vicini probably would have started but Francis was out a lot (and A Smith was also injured a fair amount).
I agree that most programs have good a good bench. I guess the question is, what percentage of top players in a program ride the bench or, for any particular player, who is likely to be in front of me in X program. I'm sure every player considers that in deciding on the program but, as is often noted, top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out.
Texas does not currently have a backup scholarship setter (much to my disdain) let alone a highly-ranked backup setter (as a senior high school recruit). I mention Xu because she was one of the top-ranked setters in her class; possibly Top 10 national recruit (I don't remember her exact ranking). So, for the 2-3 years Xu and Miner were on the Stanford roster, there were two Top 10 setter recruits; not many programs have that combination. Stanford doesn't have a backup (scholarship) setter either.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 5, 2023 12:03:12 GMT -5
How does that differ for Top 5-10 recruits picking Stanford? It's not like Selena Xu, Annabelle Smith, Laila Smith, etc. found their way onto the court very much; yes, the Smiths had injuries, but even if healthy they might not have ended up consistent starters due to the talent at their position. Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter?
Top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out. Selina was pretty much (like 100%) committed to Stanford since she was a kid growing up on the Peninsula (Belmont). I watched her first match as a starter: not good (cringeworthy tbph). Not her fault cos Covid restricted their practicing to intermittent practices on outdoor tennis courts. The county C-19 restrictions ruined any chance for a good season (or any semblance of one....2-8). Anyway, I also watched Kami's first match as starting Setter: day-and-night. Yet Selina hung in there...now with an SU diploma!
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Post by baytree on Oct 5, 2023 12:21:03 GMT -5
Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter?
Top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out. Selina was pretty much (like 100%) committed to Stanford since she was a kid growing up on the Peninsula (Belmont). I watched her first match as a starter: not good (cringeworthy tbph). Not her fault cos Covid restricted their practicing to intermittent practices on outdoor tennis courts. The county C-19 restrictions ruined any chance for a good season (or any semblance of one....2-8). Anyway, I also watched Kami's first match as starting Setter: day-and-night. Yet Selina hung in there...now with an SU diploma! And working for Goldman Sachs. (Mentioned bc that's a common outcome for Stanford vb players)
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 5, 2023 12:28:20 GMT -5
Selina was pretty much (like 100%) committed to Stanford since she was a kid growing up on the Peninsula (Belmont). I watched her first match as a starter: not good (cringeworthy tbph). Not her fault cos Covid restricted their practicing to intermittent practices on outdoor tennis courts. The county C-19 restrictions ruined any chance for a good season (or any semblance of one....2-8). Anyway, I also watched Kami's first match as starting Setter: day-and-night. Yet Selina hung in there...now with an SU diploma! And working for Goldman Sachs. (Mentioned bc that's a common outcome for Stanford vb players) Yeah, I didn't know Xu ended up at G-S. Didn't one of the Keefes (Michaela?) intern/work there as well? Also...very vaguely...remember a report that Sidney Wilson got a gig in the San Fran financial district.
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Post by baytree on Oct 5, 2023 12:36:11 GMT -5
And working for Goldman Sachs. (Mentioned bc that's a common outcome for Stanford vb players) Yeah, I didn't know Xu ended up at G-S. Didn't one of the Keefe's (Michaela?) intern/work there also? I think Michaela, though I think Caitlin also ended up at B of A, so she may have interned there too. IIRC Berty ended up at Chase.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 5, 2023 12:37:52 GMT -5
Xu was also injured but I agree that Miner probably would have been the setter even if Xu was healthy. But what program does not have a backup setter? I'm not sure why you mention her unless you're suggesting there are top programs without a backup setter.
Except for their frosh year when Campbell started and Vicini was the second middle, at least one of the Smiths would have almost certainly played. Probably not both of them unless there was an injury, though. Vicini probably would have been ahead of A. Smith. Though Vicini had a medical redshirt her frosh year so it would be reasonable for A. Smith to expect playing time. Last year, Francis and either L Smith or Vicini probably would have started but Francis was out a lot (and A Smith was also injured a fair amount).
I agree that most programs have good a good bench. I guess the question is, what percentage of top players in a program ride the bench or, for any particular player, who is likely to be in front of me in X program. I'm sure every player considers that in deciding on the program but, as is often noted, top players aren't afraid of competition and usually think they'll win out.
Texas does not currently have a backup scholarship setter (much to my disdain) let alone a highly-ranked backup setter (as a senior high school recruit). I mention Xu because she was one of the top-ranked setters in her class; possibly Top 10 national recruit (I don't remember her exact ranking). So, for the 2-3 years Xu and Miner were on the Stanford roster, there were two Top 10 setter recruits; not many programs have that combination. Xu was the # 1 ranked setter of the 2019 class. Ranked #5 over all
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 5, 2023 12:40:25 GMT -5
Something I dont understand is why all these recruits are choosing Texas. I live in Texas but I am a die hard Stanford fan. Texas is great but they have players who were top 5 ranked recruits coming into college that are riding the bench. And girls keep adding. I wonder if they consider they might not get to play. For example Devin, Singletary, and Byrd. Those girls could have played anywhere and started. Melanie Parra is another example. So basically girls choose Stanford. LOL! What were Singletary & Byrd's ranking. I know Devin was part of the JNT and very highly ranked. Both Singletary and Devin were top 10 recruits. (2022) I don’t believe Byrd was top ten. (2023)
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Post by blackiechan1999 on Oct 5, 2023 12:46:29 GMT -5
What were Singletary & Byrd's ranking. I know Devin was part of the JNT and very highly ranked. Both Singletary and Devin were top 10 recruits. (2022) I don’t believe Byrd was top ten. (2023) Singletary wasn't a top ten recruit. She was close at No.12.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 5, 2023 12:48:06 GMT -5
There will be some pretty momentous announcements (3+) coming up in about 4-5 weeks or so. Buckle up & stay tuned!
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