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Post by hammer on Oct 16, 2023 0:23:07 GMT -5
Yes faircritic , her inability to "see the court" has her leading D1 in Assists Per Set. I guess we'll take it. BTW, at this point approximately 2.33 years of NCAA competition, not 3. "has her leading D1 in Assists Per Set" hardly surprising. Pac12 this year is a weak conference except possibly WSU. Stanford is virtually guaranteed to win Pac12. Then they would have to climb the Big10 mountain. faircritic, do you lack basic reasoning skills? Have you not seen Stanford's pre-con schedule? It was loaded with ranked opponents. Miner's stats have been compiled against a very strong overall schedule. As for climbing BIG 10 mountains, Stanford's climbed them before, like 2019 when we took out Penn St, Minny, and Wisconsin back to back to back all in sweeps culminating in our 9th NCAA championship.
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Post by faircritic on Oct 16, 2023 7:03:08 GMT -5
Now I remember why I blocked that poster. 🙄 I'd say unfaircritic is the more appropriate nom de plume! With all due respect, fair/unfair is your assessment. And that’s fine. I went to Stanford and will always root for Stanford. Their three-titles-in-four-years were extremely exciting. That said, I believe that the path to success starts with identifying bad decisions so they could be avoided in the future. Regarding Miner, I believe Stanford, like USAV before them, was snowed by her dad’s reputation regardless of her skills. It was embarrassing and comical to listen to the Pac 12 commentators singing her dad’s praises while points were being lost on the court. To be sure, she is an excellent athlete: fit, strong, agile. However, entering Stanford, her set distribution, court vision, and decision making were, putting it kindly, subpar. At USAV, she warmed the bench in favor of Kenndey Orr. Her foray into international play (was it U19 or U20, I do not recall) was a flop. The loss against San Diego in last year’s tournament speaks for itself. While I do not have firsthand knowledge, I believe that Stanford coaches worked to develop her, and she showed significant improvement. I wish her and the team all the best this year. In my view, Stanford is virtually guaranteed to win Pac 12 this year. However, they have some tough challenges with some strong Big 10 teams.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 16, 2023 10:55:21 GMT -5
I'd say unfaircritic is the more appropriate nom de plume! To be sure, she is an excellent athlete: fit, strong, agile. However, entering Stanford, her set distribution, court vision, and decision making were, putting it kindly, subpar. At USAV, she warmed the bench in favor of Kenndey Orr. Her foray into international play (was it U19 or U20, I do not recall) was a flop. The loss against San Diego in last year’s tournament speaks for itself. I understand that this is your opinion, but my god the logic here is insane. makes sense when she came to stanford as an 18 year old her set distribution and court vision isn't going to be her strongest asset, its very rare to have an all American level freshman setter. And then you say that her international debut when she was 17 years old was a flop because she wasn't the starter behind the no.1 overall recruit in the class at the time? how about being one of two setters chosen to be on that roster?? maybe thats not a good accomplishment in your eyes, and if so I feel incredibly sorry for anyone in your life who seeks your approval. if your daughter was the second best in the entire country at her position in her sport would you call her a flop? the loss to San Diego was definitely tough for stanford, but it also seems that you didn't watch the match considering you believe miners performance in that match backs up anything you're saying about her. miner was fantastic in that match, and that was the widely shared opinion on here again, I know this is your opinion but it just has zero supporting evidence. you dont just happen to lead the nation in assists lol. there's not a single team in the ncaa where miner isn't running a 5-1
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 16, 2023 12:14:21 GMT -5
Oregon lost to ASU??
Liking our chances at winning the last PAC title!
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Post by faircritic on Oct 16, 2023 12:29:41 GMT -5
To be sure, she is an excellent athlete: fit, strong, agile. However, entering Stanford, her set distribution, court vision, and decision making were, putting it kindly, subpar. At USAV, she warmed the bench in favor of Kenndey Orr. Her foray into international play (was it U19 or U20, I do not recall) was a flop. The loss against San Diego in last year’s tournament speaks for itself. I understand that this is your opinion, but my god the logic here is insane. makes sense when she came to stanford as an 18 year old her set distribution and court vision isn't going to be her strongest asset, its very rare to have an all American level freshman setter. And then you say that her international debut when she was 17 years old was a flop because she wasn't the starter behind the no.1 overall recruit in the class at the time? how about being one of two setters chosen to be on that roster?? maybe thats not a good accomplishment in your eyes, and if so I feel incredibly sorry for anyone in your life who seeks your approval. if your daughter was the second best in the entire country at her position in her sport would you call her a flop? the loss to San Diego was definitely tough for stanford, but it also seems that you didn't watch the match considering you believe miners performance in that match backs up anything you're saying about her. miner was fantastic in that match, and that was the widely shared opinion on here again, I know this is your opinion but it just has zero supporting evidence. you dont just happen to lead the nation in assists lol. there's not a single team in the ncaa where miner isn't running a 5-1 I wish Stanford all the best of luck for the rest of the season and the playoffs. I am just a keenly interested volleyball observer. I understand and respect that different observers come from different perspectives and can have honest difference of opinions and forecasts. As a Stanford alum, I wish the team all the best and hope they win it all.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 16, 2023 14:31:42 GMT -5
I understand that this is your opinion, but my god the logic here is insane. makes sense when she came to stanford as an 18 year old her set distribution and court vision isn't going to be her strongest asset, its very rare to have an all American level freshman setter. And then you say that her international debut when she was 17 years old was a flop because she wasn't the starter behind the no.1 overall recruit in the class at the time? how about being one of two setters chosen to be on that roster?? maybe thats not a good accomplishment in your eyes, and if so I feel incredibly sorry for anyone in your life who seeks your approval. if your daughter was the second best in the entire country at her position in her sport would you call her a flop? the loss to San Diego was definitely tough for stanford, but it also seems that you didn't watch the match considering you believe miners performance in that match backs up anything you're saying about her. miner was fantastic in that match, and that was the widely shared opinion on here again, I know this is your opinion but it just has zero supporting evidence. you dont just happen to lead the nation in assists lol. there's not a single team in the ncaa where miner isn't running a 5-1 I wish Stanford all the best of luck for the rest of the season and the playoffs. I am just a keenly interested volleyball observer. I understand and respect that different observers come from different perspectives and can have honest difference of opinions and forecasts. As a Stanford alum, I wish the team all the best and hope they win it all. Curious as to why you think Miner doesn’t mKe sound decisions. Would love to hear examples that you have observed. It has been a criticism of many people on the board that she doesn’t set the middle enough, but I wonder how much of that is her versus the coaching staff telling her what to do and who to set.
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Post by tristen on Oct 16, 2023 19:05:03 GMT -5
If Stanford dont atleast make the final four im done for atleast a few years watching them lol they have all the pieces this year to make a legit run…
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Post by volleylbc on Oct 16, 2023 21:14:53 GMT -5
“Regarding Miner, I believe Stanford, like USAV before them, was snowed by her dad’s reputation regardless of her skills.”
I’m just going to say it, This feels like a micro aggression!!!.
It’s one thing to have an opinion of one’s style of play but yours seems rooted in something deeper. I’ve watched Kami for years in club and Redondo Union as I have family that have played with her. No one was “snowed by her dads reputation….REGARDLESS OF HER SKILLS” she is a stud. Please BFR.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 16, 2023 21:54:06 GMT -5
I'd say unfaircritic is the more appropriate nom de plume! With all due respect, fair/unfair is your assessment. And that’s fine. I went to Stanford and will always root for Stanford. Their three-titles-in-four-years were extremely exciting. That said, I believe that the path to success starts with identifying bad decisions so they could be avoided in the future. Regarding Miner, I believe Stanford, like USAV before them, was snowed by her dad’s reputation regardless of her skills. It was embarrassing and comical to listen to the Pac 12 commentators singing her dad’s praises while points were being lost on the court. To be sure, she is an excellent athlete: fit, strong, agile. However, entering Stanford, her set distribution, court vision, and decision making were, putting it kindly, subpar. At USAV, she warmed the bench in favor of Kenndey Orr. Her foray into international play (was it U19 or U20, I do not recall) was a flop. The loss against San Diego in last year’s tournament speaks for itself. While I do not have firsthand knowledge, I believe that Stanford coaches worked to develop her, and she showed significant improvement. I wish her and the team all the best this year. In my view, Stanford is virtually guaranteed to win Pac 12 this year. However, they have some tough challenges with some strong Big 10 teams. "Her dad's reputation?" I don't know who or what you've been listening to, but Harold Miner is regarded as one of the bigger disappointments in NBA history during his very short career. We're not talking about LeBron here, to say the least, and I very much doubt anyone at USAV was "snowed," LOL. Frankly, your take feels like a fabrication, which would appear to be in line with the gist of many of your comments.
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Post by xlumie on Oct 16, 2023 22:06:39 GMT -5
Not everyone feeding the troll 🫢.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 16, 2023 22:19:49 GMT -5
Miner is a very solid setter, but she definitely has location and tempo deficiencies, particularly with respect to the international game. At her current trajectory, I don't see her being effective at setting a fast tempo offense (not anywhere close to Glass to the pins and/or the middle), or a high ball offense either. She's definitely athletic enough to perhaps train to that level, but I don't see Hambly trying to strictly guide her in either direction system-wise. And for pete's sake, if you've got Kipp, Rubin, and Baird as attackers, and Ogilivie digging, you're going to get more than your fair share of assists simply by putting up any kind of reasonably hittable ball (which is actually Miner's strength).
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Post by volleylbc on Oct 16, 2023 22:46:57 GMT -5
Not everyone feeding the troll 🫢. lol welcome to fact buffet
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 16, 2023 22:57:39 GMT -5
Miner is a very solid setter, but she definitely has location and tempo deficiencies, particularly with respect to the international game. At her current trajectory, I don't see her being effective at setting a fast tempo offense (not anywhere close to Glass to the pins and/or the middle), or a high ball offense either. She's definitely athletic enough to perhaps train to that level, but I don't see Hambly trying to strictly guide her in either direction system-wise. And for pete's sake, if you've got Kipp, Rubin, and Baird as attackers, and Ogilivie digging, you're going to get more than your fair share of assists simply by putting up any kind of reasonably hittable ball (which is actually Miner's strength). I think we see miner very differently... she and rubin run a tempo faster than vast majority of OHs in the ncaa, and the tempo to baird isn't as quick but is definitely not considered slow and is faster than average. to me, she looks very capable of running a fast offense. there's actually film of her training with USA from this past spring on YouTube where the players are running the usa fast system and miner looks great imo. she also has extremely good location this year imo, especially on the run and to be fair, every setter in the ncaa has location and tempo deficiencies from the international game. if someone didn't, karch would've had them in the gym this summer
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 16, 2023 23:20:17 GMT -5
Miner is a very solid setter, but she definitely has location and tempo deficiencies, particularly with respect to the international game. At her current trajectory, I don't see her being effective at setting a fast tempo offense (not anywhere close to Glass to the pins and/or the middle), or a high ball offense either. She's definitely athletic enough to perhaps train to that level, but I don't see Hambly trying to strictly guide her in either direction system-wise. And for pete's sake, if you've got Kipp, Rubin, and Baird as attackers, and Ogilivie digging, you're going to get more than your fair share of assists simply by putting up any kind of reasonably hittable ball (which is actually Miner's strength). I think we see miner very differently... she and rubin run a tempo faster than vast majority of OHs in the ncaa, and the tempo to baird isn't as quick but is definitely not considered slow and is faster than average. to me, she looks very capable of running a fast offense. there's actually film of her training with USA from this past spring on YouTube where the players are running the usa fast system and miner looks great imo. she also has extremely good location this year imo, especially on the run and to be fair, every setter in the ncaa has location and tempo deficiencies from the international game. if someone didn't, karch would've had them in the gym this summer I’ve seen Miner in the USA gym, which is why I said I thought she was capable of training to that level. I haven’t seen her in person this year, but hope to catch her in So Cal at some point this season. I don’t agree with the tone or the way the poster laid out the criticism—obviously, her father has nothing to do with an objective critique and that didn’t need to be brought up (and I certainly don’t think she’s a bad setter). On the other hand, I find it entirely reasonable to question the hype.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 16, 2023 23:25:15 GMT -5
I think we see miner very differently... she and rubin run a tempo faster than vast majority of OHs in the ncaa, and the tempo to baird isn't as quick but is definitely not considered slow and is faster than average. to me, she looks very capable of running a fast offense. there's actually film of her training with USA from this past spring on YouTube where the players are running the usa fast system and miner looks great imo. she also has extremely good location this year imo, especially on the run and to be fair, every setter in the ncaa has location and tempo deficiencies from the international game. if someone didn't, karch would've had them in the gym this summer I’ve seen Miner in the USA gym, which is why I said I thought she was capable of training to that level. I haven’t seen her in person this year, but hope to catch her in So Cal at some point this season. I don’t agree with the tone or the way the poster laid out the criticism—obviously, her father has nothing to do with an objective critique and that didn’t need to be brought up (and I certainly don’t think she’s a bad setter). On the other hand, I find it entirely reasonable to question the hype. yes I agree im all for questioning the top players, and I honestly didn't see the early hype many others did with miner. the athleticism is obvious but I personally didn't think she was as good as other fans did her freshman year. however, I now think she looks like the clear best setter in the country. if she can get her hands on the ball (which is often) she can push the ball whoever she wants to. thats the biggest difference ive noticed between her and others. she doesn't look like she has to try nearly as hard as other to make the long sets
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