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Post by volleyguy on Oct 16, 2023 23:35:27 GMT -5
I’ve seen Miner in the USA gym, which is why I said I thought she was capable of training to that level. I haven’t seen her in person this year, but hope to catch her in So Cal at some point this season. I don’t agree with the tone or the way the poster laid out the criticism—obviously, her father has nothing to do with an objective critique and that didn’t need to be brought up (and I certainly don’t think she’s a bad setter). On the other hand, I find it entirely reasonable to question the hype. yes I agree im all for questioning the top players, and I honestly didn't see the early hype many others did with miner. the athleticism is obvious but I personally didn't think she was as good as other fans did her freshman year. however, I now think she looks like the clear best setter in the country. if she can get her hands on the ball (which is often) she can push the ball whoever she wants to. thats the biggest difference ive noticed between her and others. she doesn't look like she has to try nearly as hard as other to make the long sets That pure strength is what makes her effective, but it’s also the reason she lacks tempo and precision (which derive from the wrists). I think her wrists are maybe freer when she’s on the run, but that’s why I am looking forward to seeing her up close this year.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 17, 2023 0:36:44 GMT -5
Is Miner perfect? - No Is Miner hands-down the best setter in college? -No Is Miner one of the best setters in college, if not the best? -Yes Am I damn happy to have Miner as Stanford's setter? Hell yes.
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 17, 2023 1:09:08 GMT -5
Is Miner perfect? - No Is Miner hands-down the best setter in college? -No Is Miner one of the best setters in college, if not the best? -Yes Am I damn happy to have Miner as Stanford's setter? Hell yes. Literally! Her career has gone by so fast for me. How is she a junior already? 😭
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Post by acea on Oct 17, 2023 3:05:02 GMT -5
Some are y’all are forgetting that Miner also isn’t training full time as a pro player and USA NT member would be. Miner’s location in the NCAA tournament last year was better than anyone’s, and largely the reason why Kipp went off (obviously she’s just elite as well). That connection hasn’t been as perfect (yet), but when has Kami ever had a bad game? Like someone pls name me one
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 17, 2023 3:15:33 GMT -5
I love how whenever anyone wants to downplay how good a setter is, they say that she is "just lucky to have elite hitters." Well, it works both ways.
These critics seem to forget that great setters improve their hitters' numbers as well. In most cases these elite hitters would not be so elite without a great setter.
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Post by geodi58 on Oct 17, 2023 5:48:45 GMT -5
Moving to Prime Time!!
Sunday's match at No. 8 Oregon is now scheduled for 5:30 p.m. PT on ESPN.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 17, 2023 10:44:02 GMT -5
Some are y’all are forgetting that Miner also isn’t training full time as a pro player and USA NT member would be. Miner’s location in the NCAA tournament last year was better than anyone’s, and largely the reason why Kipp went off (obviously she’s just elite as well). That connection hasn’t been as perfect (yet), but when has Kami ever had a bad game? Like someone pls name me one exactly. look what happened to stumlers numbers after Lilley graduated for an example lol
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Post by faircritic on Oct 17, 2023 15:27:17 GMT -5
I wish Stanford all the best of luck for the rest of the season and the playoffs. I am just a keenly interested volleyball observer. I understand and respect that different observers come from different perspectives and can have honest difference of opinions and forecasts. As a Stanford alum, I wish the team all the best and hope they win it all. Curious as to why you think Miner doesn’t mKe sound decisions. Would love to hear examples that you have observed. It has been a criticism of many people on the board that she doesn’t set the middle enough, but I wonder how much of that is her versus the coaching staff telling her what to do and who to set. I know first hand that Erin Lindsey who was the setter coach for Stanford when Hambly first arrived preached set distribution. This skill was vividly displayed by Jenna Gray during Erin Lindsey's time with Stanford which led to 3 NCAA titles in 4 years. I would seriously doubt that coach Hambly would tell a setter to avoid setting the middle or avoid distributing her sets. Remember, his coaching produced the Olympian setter Jordan Poulter who is a proven master of set distribution.
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Post by faircritic on Oct 17, 2023 15:30:04 GMT -5
Miner is a very solid setter, but she definitely has location and tempo deficiencies, particularly with respect to the international game. At her current trajectory, I don't see her being effective at setting a fast tempo offense (not anywhere close to Glass to the pins and/or the middle), or a high ball offense either. She's definitely athletic enough to perhaps train to that level, but I don't see Hambly trying to strictly guide her in either direction system-wise. And for pete's sake, if you've got Kipp, Rubin, and Baird as attackers, and Ogilivie digging, you're going to get more than your fair share of assists simply by putting up any kind of reasonably hittable ball (which is actually Miner's strength). Thank you. Exactly. You said everything that I wanted to say but have been holding back. I really hope that this discussion leads to some benefit to the Stanford team in their quest for the national title.
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Post by faircritic on Oct 17, 2023 15:32:18 GMT -5
If Stanford dont atleast make the final four im done for atleast a few years watching them lol they have all the pieces this year to make a legit run… I would bet good money that Stanford would make the final four. I don't about the title though.
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Post by faircritic on Oct 17, 2023 15:35:35 GMT -5
“Regarding Miner, I believe Stanford, like USAV before them, was snowed by her dad’s reputation regardless of her skills.” I’m just going to say it, This feels like a micro aggression!!!. It’s one thing to have an opinion of one’s style of play but yours seems rooted in something deeper. I’ve watched Kami for years in club and Redondo Union as I have family that have played with her. No one was “snowed by her dads reputation….REGARDLESS OF HER SKILLS” she is a stud. Please BFR. My impression of the impact of her dad's reputation is the relentless reference of the Pac 12 commentators to that effect everytime they utter her name. I do not have first hand knowlege that her dad's reputation was a factor in her recruitment to USAV or Stanford. I am just extrapolating from the commentators commnents. You're right. I shouldn't do that. And I apologize to her and to Stanford.
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Post by stanfordvb on Oct 17, 2023 15:38:19 GMT -5
“Regarding Miner, I believe Stanford, like USAV before them, was snowed by her dad’s reputation regardless of her skills.” I’m just going to say it, This feels like a micro aggression!!!. It’s one thing to have an opinion of one’s style of play but yours seems rooted in something deeper. I’ve watched Kami for years in club and Redondo Union as I have family that have played with her. No one was “snowed by her dads reputation….REGARDLESS OF HER SKILLS” she is a stud. Please BFR. My impression of the impact of her dad's reputation is the relentless reference of the Pac 12 commentators to that effect everytime they utter her name. I do not have first hand knowlege that her dad's reputation was a factor in her recruitment to USAV or Stanford. I am just extrapolating from the commentators commnents. You're right. I shouldn't do that. And I apologize to her and to Stanford. its the same way announcers never fail to point out Jermaine oneal when talking about asjia, she's proven that she deserves the respect she gets without her dads name, as has miner. the reality is a lot of announcers dont follow the sport super closely and run out of things to talk about so they say whatever is on the info sheet
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 17, 2023 15:47:41 GMT -5
Curious as to why you think Miner doesn’t mKe sound decisions. Would love to hear examples that you have observed. It has been a criticism of many people on the board that she doesn’t set the middle enough, but I wonder how much of that is her versus the coaching staff telling her what to do and who to set. I know first hand that Erin Lindsey who was the setter coach for Stanford when Hambly first arrived preached set distribution. This skill was vividly displayed by Jenna Gray during Erin Lindsey's time with Stanford which led to 3 NCAA titles in 4 years. I would seriously doubt that coach Hambly would tell a setter to avoid setting the middle or avoid distributing her sets. Remember, his coaching produced the Olympian setter Jordan Poulter who is a proven master of set distribution. You still haven’t answered my initial question. Can you provide some examples of her consistently making bad decisions? Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you, but it’s a theme you have been talking about so I’d like to hear why you think this so.
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Post by Sbilo on Oct 17, 2023 16:47:46 GMT -5
If Stanford dont atleast make the final four im done for atleast a few years watching them lol they have all the pieces this year to make a legit run… If Francis gets back to her pre-injury form, I think Stanford’s chances of getting into the final 4 is very high.
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Post by faircritic on Oct 17, 2023 16:48:38 GMT -5
I know first hand that Erin Lindsey who was the setter coach for Stanford when Hambly first arrived preached set distribution. This skill was vividly displayed by Jenna Gray during Erin Lindsey's time with Stanford which led to 3 NCAA titles in 4 years. I would seriously doubt that coach Hambly would tell a setter to avoid setting the middle or avoid distributing her sets. Remember, his coaching produced the Olympian setter Jordan Poulter who is a proven master of set distribution. You still haven’t answered my initial question. Can you provide some examples of her consistently making bad decisions? Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with you, but it’s a theme you have been talking about so I’d like to hear why you think this so. I would if I had game videos and video processing capabilities handy. Let me just give you and example of what I have seen. A 16U setter that I have observed over time was able to accurately set from any point in the court to anyother point on the same court. She was able to quickly assess which of her hitters had the angle and space to dodge blocks. With that skill, I have watched her render a 6' 6"" opposing middle totally ineffective. But, you could watch a game video, stop it at the point where the setter has the ball and ask yourself, with the advantage of highsight, given the other side positioning, where would the most effective set be?
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