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Post by Sbilo on Oct 17, 2023 16:54:41 GMT -5
Am I the only one rooting for Miner to get PAC POY? It has been a while since the setter won the award She maybe POY in PAC but not in other conferences. It took her 3 years of NCAA to learn to distribute her sets and to start "seeing the court" . I have seen 15U players with better set distribution and instantaneous court assessment. Are you a Dad to a player who Miner either beat for a Stanford scholarship or USAV roster previously?
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Post by deyidecem on Oct 17, 2023 17:03:01 GMT -5
lmao 15u is so absurd there is not a single 15u player on the face of this earth that can push the ball as far and as accurately as Miner against the flow.
source: played in 15u once upon a time and have several siblings who recently played….lol
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Post by FTLOG on Oct 17, 2023 17:10:47 GMT -5
Those of us with long resumes or even just active brains sometimes fall into the trap of presenting our opinions, even our strongly held ones that we believe firmly rooted in rational observations, as something akin to fact. For lack of a better phrase, call it the Smart Person Syndrome, sort of on the same plane as Dunning-Kruger. I think it’s even easier on anonymous message boards, even if we give our posts the tone of neutrality, to still present them as The Truth rather than unavoidably biased opinion. We all have our biases.
Yes, we know it’s your opinion, but it might still benefit you from doing the emotional work of adding a tone of humility and maybe even graciousness to it. Rather than essentially saying “Miner is overrated,” maybe you could make the same general point but instead say “Miner is obviously really good and Stanford fans rightfully love her, but sometimes I wonder about ______________.” Unless you're not concerned with the reaction you're gonna get (in which case, why post at all?), or unless getting that type of reaction was the point all along.
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Post by oldunc on Oct 17, 2023 17:38:12 GMT -5
I've been following Stanford volleyball for about 25 years, really can't remember a setter who didn't catch this sort of flack. Your team may lead the nation in hitting, you may lead the nation in assists, you may win national championships, be a 4 year first team All American, whatever- your choices are questionable and your accuracy is erratic.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 17, 2023 17:42:22 GMT -5
I've been following Stanford volleyball for about 25 years, really can't remember a setter who didn't catch this sort of flack. Your team may lead the nation in hitting, you may lead the nation in assists, you may win national championships, be a 4 year first team All American, whatever- your choices are questionable and your accuracy is erratic. kami miner is by far the best setter in the nation and its truly not that close Anyone who questions her should not be allowed to have an opinion on volleyball
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Post by liberosetter101 on Oct 17, 2023 17:55:54 GMT -5
All of this because I suggested Miner as PAC POY😭
Anyway, I’ve been really impressed with how Vicini has been playing as of late!
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Oct 17, 2023 18:36:13 GMT -5
Miner is a very solid setter, but she definitely has location and tempo deficiencies, particularly with respect to the international game. At her current trajectory, I don't see her being effective at setting a fast tempo offense (not anywhere close to Glass to the pins and/or the middle), or a high ball offense either. She's definitely athletic enough to perhaps train to that level, but I don't see Hambly trying to strictly guide her in either direction system-wise. And for pete's sake, if you've got Kipp, Rubin, and Baird as attackers, and Ogilivie digging, you're going to get more than your fair share of assists simply by putting up any kind of reasonably hittable ball (which is actually Miner's strength). Thank you. Exactly. You said everything that I wanted to say but have been holding back. title. I really hope that this discussion leads to some benefit to the Stanford team in their quest for the national title.To piggyback this onto FTLOG 's excellent observation, this can be included in his "Smart Person Syndrome" of fallacies. Nothing in the "Future for Stanford" thread will get incorporated with, find its way into, or be read by hardly anybody...especially not players...in SU's WVB program. There is one assistant who does keep up with other teams' recruiting buzz and announcements on the main board: to keep up-to-date and informed of, plus in contact with, remaining PSAs (sorta like on an "NFL War Room big board").
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 17, 2023 19:55:28 GMT -5
Curious as to why you think Miner doesn’t mKe sound decisions. Would love to hear examples that you have observed. It has been a criticism of many people on the board that she doesn’t set the middle enough, but I wonder how much of that is her versus the coaching staff telling her what to do and who to set. I know first hand that Erin Lindsey who was the setter coach for Stanford when Hambly first arrived preached set distribution. This skill was vividly displayed by Jenna Gray during Erin Lindsey's time with Stanford which led to 3 NCAA titles in 4 years. I would seriously doubt that coach Hambly would tell a setter to avoid setting the middle or avoid distributing her sets. Remember, his coaching produced the Olympian setter Jordan Poulter who is a proven master of set distribution. When Card won NC in 2016, Jenna had Cassidy Lichtman coaching her. When Card lost in semis in 2017, and won in 2018, Lindsey was coaching her. When Card won NC in 2019, Alisha Glass was coaching Jenna. So I wouldn't say that Lindsey's time on the farm led to 3 championships. She helped with one. Why would a coach tell a setter not to set the middle? Well, probably would never tell a setter not to set middle. But if you have a dominating offensive force like Inky, you tell your setter to set middle as much as possible. But if you have a middle who struggles to put a ball down, then perhaps you tell your setter to set middle just enough to let the opposing blockers know that the ball might be coming to the middle--keep them slightly honest if possible.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 17, 2023 20:07:54 GMT -5
I've been following Stanford volleyball for about 25 years, really can't remember a setter who didn't catch this sort of flack. Your team may lead the nation in hitting, you may lead the nation in assists, you may win national championships, be a 4 year first team All American, whatever- your choices are questionable and your accuracy is erratic. This is SO true. Jenna Gray was 3 time 1st team AA, won 3 NT's, but received constant flack. Carlini fans constantly went after Poulter, and Poulter fans went after Carlini. Bugg and Kehoe were elite setters, and were constantly criticized too. It comes with the territory. Some people want to blame every missed hit on the setter. Others want to blame every loss on missed serves. I doubt it will ever change.
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Post by jwvolley on Oct 17, 2023 20:14:15 GMT -5
I know first hand that Erin Lindsey who was the setter coach for Stanford when Hambly first arrived preached set distribution. This skill was vividly displayed by Jenna Gray during Erin Lindsey's time with Stanford which led to 3 NCAA titles in 4 years. I would seriously doubt that coach Hambly would tell a setter to avoid setting the middle or avoid distributing her sets. Remember, his coaching produced the Olympian setter Jordan Poulter who is a proven master of set distribution. When Card won NC in 2017, and again in 2018 when Card lost in semis, Lindsey was coaching her. Getting your years a bit mixed up there bud
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Post by pittsburgh7717 on Oct 17, 2023 20:18:25 GMT -5
This whole argument becomes even more absurd when you consider the fact that Stucky is out of the conversation. No one else even comes close imo
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Post by paloalto on Oct 17, 2023 20:24:30 GMT -5
I haven't been here for about a month. Only read the last page 1556. I've learned from faircritic there are 14 and 15 year old kids making better setting decisions than a college player leading the NCAA in assists per set. Also learned Karch and Hambly were influenced in recruitment by a player's father who never touched a volleyball in his life.
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Post by paloalto on Oct 17, 2023 20:32:08 GMT -5
Pringle has become the first string DS/serving sub. Belardi seems to have fallen to the #3 DS/serving sub option. It's a little surprising to me. Last season Hambly was high on Belardi often referring to her as a "baller". She played for the beach team and did extremely well. Some fans believe beach volleyball improves passing/digging skills. I don't know if this is true but it didn't seem to help Belardi's standing in the battle for starting time indoors. I know Belardi is the backup setter but I don't see that interfering with her playing DS.
Edited statement about what beach volleyball supposedly improves.
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Post by paloalto on Oct 17, 2023 20:34:42 GMT -5
Stanford has to focus on Oregon State, a team capable of beating the Cardinal if all the starters don't play up to potential.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Oct 17, 2023 20:36:49 GMT -5
Pringle has become the first string DS/serving sub. Belardi seems to have fallen to the #3 DS/serving sub option. It's a little surprising to me. Last season Hambly was high on Belardi often referring to her as a "baller". She played for the beach team and did extremely well. Some fans believe beach volleyball improves passing skills don't. I don't know if this is true but it didn't seem to help Belardi's standing in the battle for starting time indoors. I know Belardi is the backup setter but I don't see that interfering with her playing DS. None of our DSs pass. Right now they are more serve first, then defense focused.
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