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Post by volleylbc on Nov 18, 2023 23:49:44 GMT -5
[/quote] I don't consider myself to be in the group that takes jabs at Miner. As I said, she brings a lot to the table. But I think you have to look at admiration for Miner from someone like Speraw as coming from the perspective of looking at setters in the men's game primarily (In that sense, Miner to Poulter might be a better comparison than Miner to Carlini--that's a simplified argument, but I'm just trying to set context here). Even so, Miner still doesn't have the control over location and tempo to run a truly efficient system. I think that can be seen by watching Stanford play. But the potential, in time, certainly is there.
[/quote] There it is, you may not take jabs here but you saw an opportunity to take a sneak diss at her because I said she was the best setter in the NCAA right now. You’re entitled to your opinion, that I think is wrong. I really don’t know how you lead the NCAA in assists per set for almost the whole season by not having at least the slightest control over location and tempo. The facts state otherwise.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 18, 2023 23:59:33 GMT -5
I don't consider myself to be in the group that takes jabs at Miner. As I said, she brings a lot to the table. But I think you have to look at admiration for Miner from someone like Speraw as coming from the perspective of looking at setters in the men's game primarily (In that sense, Miner to Poulter might be a better comparison than Miner to Carlini--that's a simplified argument, but I'm just trying to set context here). Even so, Miner still doesn't have the control over location and tempo to run a truly efficient system. I think that can be seen by watching Stanford play. But the potential, in time, certainly is there. [/quote] There it is, you may not take jabs here but you saw an opportunity to take a sneak diss at her because I said she was the best setter in the NCAA right now. You’re entitled to your opinion, that I think is wrong. I really don’t know how you lead the NCAA in assists per set by not having at least the slightest control over location and tempo. The facts state otherwise. [/quote] I think her athleticism exceeds her control. It’s not a diss to rate her differently than you do. You can lead the nation in assists by being a good setter and having attackers like Kipp and Rubin. And her tempo and location can be inconsistent enough to go to 5 with UCLA. It’s an observation and opinion, just like yours, so don’t take it so personally. ** And if you wanted to have an interesting conversation, we could always discuss whether Tyler is doing a better job developing Zeyna than Kevin is doing with Kami.
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Post by tnp101 on Nov 19, 2023 0:54:17 GMT -5
One of the attributes for a great setter is her decision making and strong leadership as well. I think for me, Jenna Gray had shown over the years that she had them. Miner is a great setter. However, I think sometimes I do question her decisions whom to set.
She is still young and is still developing. I do hope she can lead this team to another championship run.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 19, 2023 1:11:54 GMT -5
Miner might be the best setter in NCAA. But I agree it is only an opinion, and there will always be opposing opinions, ESPECIALLY when it comes to NCAA setters.
And every setter in the NCAA has plenty of room to improve. You don't suddenly become perfect just because you're AA. Always lots to work on.
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Nov 19, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -5
Coaching? I mean the team has always been a little soft at times(hate the term), but sometimes you just need to make someone mad. Usually worked with my kid…😆 I just think, historically, this is how Stanford just is. How many decades have we talked about slow starts and 3rd set letdowns? I remember back in the 90's, those teams would do the same thing. We've had 3 different coaches over this time period and it just seems to always happen. My hyperbole version says that you could take the current 10 best women's players in the world, throw them in a Stanford uniform, and they would still find a way to drop a dumb match.
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Post by CompSci87 on Nov 19, 2023 13:23:00 GMT -5
Coaching? I mean the team has always been a little soft at times(hate the term), but sometimes you just need to make someone mad. Usually worked with my kid…😆 I just think, historically, this is how Stanford just is. How many decades have we talked about slow starts and 3rd set letdowns? I remember back in the 90's, those teams would do the same thing. We've had 3 different coaches over this time period and it just seems to always happen. My hyperbole version says that you could take the current 10 best women's players in the world, throw them in a Stanford uniform, and they would still find a way to drop a dumb match. So, the team needs redesigned uniforms? JK
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Post by stanfordvb on Nov 19, 2023 13:31:46 GMT -5
the fact that someone on here compared people raving over carlini they way they are miner and said look where she ended up... you mean as one the best setters in the world? would start on almost every single national team? that carlini?
I dont know what this persons standards are but hopefully I never have to try to impress them one day loll
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 19, 2023 13:38:35 GMT -5
the fact that someone on here compared people raving over carlini they way they are miner and said look where she ended up... you mean as one the best setters in the world? would start on almost every single national team? that carlini? I dont know what this persons standards are but hopefully I never have to try to impress them one day loll Yes, the Carlini that lost out to Micah Hancock on the last Olympic roster. The problem is absolutism, not Carlini or Miner.
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Post by stanfordvb on Nov 19, 2023 13:49:29 GMT -5
the fact that someone on here compared people raving over carlini they way they are miner and said look where she ended up... you mean as one the best setters in the world? would start on almost every single national team? that carlini? I dont know what this persons standards are but hopefully I never have to try to impress them one day loll Yes, the Carlini that lost out to Micah Hancock on the last Olympic roster. The problem is absolutism, not Carlini or Miner. which every single volleyball fan know to man disagreed with. And people raving over miner will have 0 effect on future or how far she makes it so who cares? the comparison doesnt make sense because volleytalk opinions never did anything for either of their careers
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 19, 2023 14:21:50 GMT -5
Yes, the Carlini that lost out to Micah Hancock on the last Olympic roster. The problem is absolutism, not Carlini or Miner. which every single volleyball fan know to man disagreed with. And people raving over miner will have 0 effect on future or how far she makes it so who cares? the comparison doesnt make sense because volleytalk opinions never did anything for either of their careers I’m not sure what your argument is or why you are making it. Miner might be the best setter in the NCAA, or she might be in the top 3, or it might be something else. Insisting that an opinion that others disagree with is absolutely correct is mostly ineffective and a waste of time.
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Post by dokterrudi on Nov 19, 2023 17:29:35 GMT -5
Let’s talk about service errors…no let’s not.
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Post by tnp101 on Nov 19, 2023 17:33:03 GMT -5
Let’s talk about service errors…no let’s not. Ugh ugly! I think most aces came from not so agressive serves but more strategically well-placed serves. Pringle doesn't have a hard serve but she always goes for a service run vs. Rubin's or Oglivie's serves. You serve out, no chance to defend. Serve tough but in is better.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 19, 2023 17:33:03 GMT -5
Let’s talk about service errors…no let’s not. I hate SE's when we're in "overtime", but I'll take 11 aces to 17 SE's any day of the week.
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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 19, 2023 17:34:31 GMT -5
Let’s talk about service errors…no let’s not. UghA ugly! I thinknmost aces came from not so agressive serves but more strategically well-placed serves. Prongle doesn't have a hard serve but she always goes forna service run vs. Rubin's or Oglivie's serves. You serve out, no chance to defend. Serve tough but in is better. Yeah, I just can't understand why they don't serve tough and in every time!
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Post by naujack85 on Nov 19, 2023 17:35:38 GMT -5
Let’s talk about service errors…no let’s not. Ugh ugly! I think most aces came from not so agressive serves but more strategically well-placed serves. Pringle doesn't have a hard serve but she always goes for a service run vs. Rubin's or Oglivie's serves. You serve out, no chance to defend. Serve tough but in is better. Oglive had 4 errors but 3 aces today. Any coach in the country will take that every day of the week
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