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Post by bball on Apr 14, 2019 8:40:43 GMT -5
McClure DS
Kipp OH
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Post by bigjohn043 on Apr 14, 2019 10:52:25 GMT -5
Do you have access to the team's passing stats? If so would be very interested. The idea that Hambly is resting a better passer to save her for hitting is no offense laughable. You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said Plummer was better than Formico, Hentz, or McClure. The way you describe Plummer’s passing and frankly your vendetta to defend your position or “correctness” for a so-called fan is quite off-putting given that Plummer is a solid passer. I don't really believe in trading insults on an internet message board. Just never made any sense to me. I figure if we met in real life we would probably all be friendly. You claimed that KP's numbers are similar to other good passers. I would ask again if you have access to the teams passing stats. I think they would be very interesting. No one is trying to put KP down. She is the best player in the country and one of the best all time. But her clear weakness is in her passing. Don't take my word for it, simply watch the decisions Hambly makes. He clearly things she isn't as good as our other three passers or else she would be passing 6 rotations and not getting squeezed. Heck, Karch talked about it in the Neb game. McClure is the kind of player that coaches absolutely love but fans don't really notice. Volleyball is won and lost in the serve / receive part of the game. McClure passes nails. If Kipp starts this season she is more likely to play in front of Campbell or Fitz than McClure. I guess we will see. |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 14, 2019 10:57:38 GMT -5
I don’t want to keep arguing. Obviously Plummer isn’t as good as a passer as McClure, Hentz, and Formico, no one said she was better than them. And obviously passing is one of her weakest skills but it’s relative to all the other skills she’s VERY good at. There’s just no need to be so hyperbolic about that weakness though considering she’s solid.
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 14, 2019 10:57:48 GMT -5
^THIS^ -- Ignoring said amateur below you (lol quite the show you put on in that UH match thread lol - lol BTW: it's "brah" here in Hawai'i; not "bruh" lol), ANYWAY, I'm a McClure And KP fan...have stated so here...and I have UTMOST respect for MM's passing game. Plummer's? Meh. She isn't That bad; and yet, if you go back to the title match, set 1, 8-4: her serve receive error put SU in a pretty deep, five point hole. Also, at 17-15 NEB, her pass off of a mild L Sun hit had Karch telling Sunderland, "I'm sorry, Paul: but you could have fit a helicopter in there (where Stivrins made a tomahawk kill for 18-15)". Btw: I have Not seen, nor heard, Any confirmation 'bout Gates. You don’t even go here. I still think the Kipp OPP and Fitz back to middle is the best option. I haven't watched enough of Gates to hand her a spot. |
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Post by paloalto on Apr 14, 2019 19:19:22 GMT -5
What is Madeleine's jump touch? I recall watching a video two years ago of her dunking a volleyball.
If the rumor is true about Gates, all the previous speculation about a starting lineup has to be discarded and we start all over again. I haven't seen enough of either player to have a strong opinion about the lineup.
Based on opinions posted on VT about Kipp and Gates, the 2019 lineup has about a dozen possible permutations. This thread could go through another 30 pages before the start of the season without any concrete indication of what Hambly will do.
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Post by paloalto on Apr 14, 2019 19:23:02 GMT -5
I still think the Kipp OPP and Fitz back to middle is the best option. I haven't watched enough of Gates to hand her a spot. You've seen Kipp on a mediocre club team that didn't make Open (behind 7 SoCal teams that did that she could have played for, including the team she left) and a mediocre high school team (lost early in both SS and state in a level below the top) and you pencil her in. Gates has a track record in the PAC12 that includes 2nd team AA and you haven't seen enough? You don't sound biased at all. I don't follow your logic. The level of Kipp's teammates doesn't give an indication of how good she is.
I also don't know that much about Gates because I didn't have any reason to focus on her play last season.
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 14, 2019 20:10:32 GMT -5
You've seen Kipp on a mediocre club team that didn't make Open (behind 7 SoCal teams that did that she could have played for, including the team she left) and a mediocre high school team (lost early in both SS and state in a level below the top) and you pencil her in. Gates has a track record in the PAC12 that includes 2nd team AA and you haven't seen enough? You don't sound biased at all. I don't follow your logic. The level of Kipp's teammates doesn't give an indication of how good she is.
I also don't know that much about Gates because I didn't have any reason to focus on her play last season.
Maybe a point was trying to be made about Kipp choosing to play at Laguna? Just guessing tho |
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 14, 2019 20:19:19 GMT -5
I still think the Kipp OPP and Fitz back to middle is the best option. I haven't watched enough of Gates to hand her a spot. You've seen Kipp on a mediocre club team that didn't make Open (behind 7 SoCal teams that did that she could have played for, including the team she left) and a mediocre high school team (lost early in both SS and state in a level below the top) and you pencil her in. Gates has a track record in the PAC12 that includes 2nd team AA and you haven't seen enough? You don't sound biased at all. Well, the two times I've watched UCLA Gates disappeared. Didn't think she was bad, just never jumped out to me as a super star. Plus judging her connection with Gray would be difficult. Watching Kipp not only in high school and club, but also with GYNT and the under armour game with much better athletes you can see the huge ceiling. Fitz is tried and true in the middle and an amazing blocker which is where we lose the most with the Alade graduation. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 14, 2019 20:48:36 GMT -5
You've seen Kipp on a mediocre club team that didn't make Open (behind 7 SoCal teams that did that she could have played for, including the team she left) and a mediocre high school team (lost early in both SS and state in a level below the top) and you pencil her in. Gates has a track record in the PAC12 that includes 2nd team AA and you haven't seen enough? You don't sound biased at all. Well, the two times I've watched UCLA Gates disappeared. Didn't think she was bad, just never jumped out to me as a super star. Plus judging her connection with Gray would be difficult. Watching Kipp not only in high school and club, but also with GYNT and the under armour game with much better athletes you can see the huge ceiling. Fitz is tried and true in the middle and an amazing blocker which is where we lose the most with the Alade graduation. You didn't notice her when she put down 22 kills/.462 at Maples? |
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Post by bobbk on Apr 14, 2019 21:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 14, 2019 22:03:23 GMT -5
Well, the two times I've watched UCLA Gates disappeared. Didn't think she was bad, just never jumped out to me as a super star. Plus judging her connection with Gray would be difficult. Watching Kipp not only in high school and club, but also with GYNT and the under armour game with much better athletes you can see the huge ceiling. Fitz is tried and true in the middle and an amazing blocker which is where we lose the most with the Alade graduation. You didn't notice her when she put down 22 kills/.462 at Maples? I didn't get to see it. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 14, 2019 22:24:08 GMT -5
If gates transfers than I think it is very likely she plays. In 2018 she was better than Campbell, but I’m not saying Campbell won’t be better next season because who knows. I don’t think fitz is gonna move. There are 2 very good middles who have proven them selves capable of holding their own against top talent in Campbell and gates. None of this mentioning vicini who is one of the most athletic and fluid middles in her class easily. Knowing he has 2 very good options at middle and a top 10 middle recruit coming in on top of not wanting fitz to move I would say it is VERY unlikely hambly has fitz not hit opp next year. I think as of right now gray, hentz, Plummer, formico, and Campbell are the only players we can safely say will return to their same role as last year. I would say fitz as well but because she is so versatile you never know although I will condifeedntly state she will have the same role next year as well. Stanford has multiple lineups that could win a NC which everyone on here should be very excited for. CANT WAIT FOR AUGUST.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 22:41:27 GMT -5
If gates transfers than I think it is very likely she plays. In 2018 she was better than Campbell, but I’m not saying Campbell won’t be better next season because who knows. I don’t think fitz is gonna move. There are 2 very good middles who have proven them selves capable of holding their own against top talent in Campbell and gates. None of this mentioning vicini who is one of the most athletic and fluid middles in her class easily. Knowing he has 2 very good options at middle and a top 10 middle recruit coming in on top of not wanting fitz to move I would say it is VERY unlikely hambly has fitz not hit opp next year. I think as of right now gray, hentz, Plummer, formico, and Campbell are the only players we can safely say will return to their same role as last year. I would say fitz as well but because she is so versatile you never know although I will condifeedntly state she will have the same role next year as well. Stanford has multiple lineups that could win a NC which everyone on here should be very excited for. CANT WAIT FOR AUGUST. , boy; Down, Sport! As we All know, injuries (and upsets) can and do happen (see Inky 2015; Hodson 2016). That being said, this can be quite a deep lineup. FWIW, as an example of upsets: Stanford beating the Badgers in Madison in 2016- after being two sets down - is Still rued by UW fans to this day. Anything can happen. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 15, 2019 7:05:54 GMT -5
If gates transfers than I think it is very likely she plays. In 2018 she was better than Campbell, but I’m not saying Campbell won’t be better next season because who knows. I don’t think fitz is gonna move. There are 2 very good middles who have proven them selves capable of holding their own against top talent in Campbell and gates. None of this mentioning vicini who is one of the most athletic and fluid middles in her class easily. Knowing he has 2 very good options at middle and a top 10 middle recruit coming in on top of not wanting fitz to move I would say it is VERY unlikely hambly has fitz not hit opp next year. I think as of right now gray, hentz, Plummer, formico, and Campbell are the only players we can safely say will return to their same role as last year. I would say fitz as well but because she is so versatile you never know although I will condifeedntly state she will have the same role next year as well. Stanford has multiple lineups that could win a NC which everyone on here should be very excited for. CANT WAIT FOR AUGUST. , boy; Down, Sport! As we All know, injuries (and upsets) can and do happen (see Inky 2015; Hodson 2016). That being said, this can be quite a deep lineup. FWIW, as an example of upsets: Stanford beating the Badgers in Madison in 2016- after being two sets down - is Still rued by UW fans to this day. Anything can happen. Obviously when people post they aren’t counting on an injury. Obviously they can happen but if no one is currently injured then I won’t factor that in to next year lol. Also I’m not claiming Stanford WILL win the nc next year, I’m just saying that they could be the best team on paper with a couple differ nt lineups |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 15, 2019 7:10:21 GMT -5
If gates transfers than I think it is very likely she plays. In 2018 she was better than Campbell, but I’m not saying Campbell won’t be better next season because who knows. I don’t think fitz is gonna move. There are 2 very good middles who have proven them selves capable of holding their own against top talent in Campbell and gates. None of this mentioning vicini who is one of the most athletic and fluid middles in her class easily. Knowing he has 2 very good options at middle and a top 10 middle recruit coming in on top of not wanting fitz to move I would say it is VERY unlikely hambly has fitz not hit opp next year. I think as of right now gray, hentz, Plummer, formico, and Campbell are the only players we can safely say will return to their same role as last year. I would say fitz as well but because she is so versatile you never know although I will condifeedntly state she will have the same role next year as well. Stanford has multiple lineups that could win a NC which everyone on here should be very excited for. CANT WAIT FOR AUGUST. , boy; Down, Sport! As we All know, injuries (and upsets) can and do happen (see Inky 2015; Hodson 2016). That being said, this can be quite a deep lineup. FWIW, as an example of upsets: Stanford beating the Badgers in Madison in 2016- after being two sets down - is Still rued by UW fans to this day. Anything can happen. Obviously when people post they aren’t counting on an injury. Obviously they can happen but if no one is currently injured then I won’t factor that in to next year lol. Also I’m not claiming Stanford WILL win the nc next year, I’m just saying that they could be the best team on paper with a couple differ nt lineups |
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