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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 15:04:50 GMT -5
Truthfully, I can't see why Hambly would replace McClure with Kipp for this season. Like we've all said, McClure is the second best passer, easily could be the best passer on any other team in the nation, but there's Hentz., Also, she grew soooo much this past season in terms of her offense. 217 kills to 320 kills ?!?! Or what's more impressive is .216 to a .270 hitting percentage?!?! Her ceiling is only going to get higher but not with sitting a year to feed into a freshman. But with that being said, kipp going head to head against the A team of stanford, Plummer, Fitzmorris, Hentz, and McClure in the practice gym will already do her so much good, because she'll go from playing the best team in the nation everyday to alright, good teams. I say to redshirt her and let her grow and then let her and McClure go ham when the Inkets leave the farm. I think the lineup for 2020 already looks strong enough to make a final four appearance just with Kipp, McClure, Fidelak, Campbell and Formico. I think that's how she'd receive first team all american honors in her debut is that. This is not binary decision -- Kevin can play both depending upon opponents (assuming you are talking about playing Kipp as LS hitter). And your logic is flawed concerning 2020 versus 2019. I'll take as close as you can get to a lock in 2019 deploying Kipp. Winning NCAA championships is hard enough without tempting fate by not using your best possible lineup. I see posters coming into this thread (or should I say posers) who say "redshirt Kipp". I'm thinking they might be RED fans who know Stanford is pretty much unbeatable with Kipp in their 2019 lineup. Agreed (thank you)! Reality here is not as dramatic, either-or, nor sensationalistic as some might wish to make it. IF Kipp proves that good, Kevin will figure out a way. There seems to be a tendency and a temptation to throw "babies out with bathwater", when a shiny new toy/ top level recruit comes around. NOT a need for absolutism. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 15:23:39 GMT -5
Yes, if Kipp proves to be that good then I guess, by all means, insert her into the lineup. I already believe Stanford is near unbeatable next season without her, McClure's numbers will only go up, Campbell should be fully transitioned into the system and more effective, if the Gates transfer is true, she will give more security in the middle as well as Fitzmorris becoming more comfortable on the opp. If she proves enough to take over than I am all for it, but also, I really don't want her to be inserted into the line up here and there, on occasion and pretty much waste a year of eligibility when rather, Hambly can completely convert her to the pin, get her more defensively sound while playing the best team in the nation and then dominate for a full four years. Same with Fidelak, she sorta wasted a year of eligibility playing behind Fitz to play 4 sets, although proving to be effective. This is just spreading out of talent, Stanford has an abundance of it.
Also, is Kipp even on the farm yet??? Who knows if she'll be able to catch up to speed with the game, while everyone else is already acclimated
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Apr 13, 2019 16:23:43 GMT -5
If we replace McClure with Kipp in the front row, who is going to pass when both Fitzmorris and Kipp are in the front row for two rotations? The passers we’ll have available in that set-up then are Plummer, Kipp, Hentz and Fitzmorris. Hentz is a given, but she can’t pass the whole court. Plummer is spotty at best and Fitzmorris and Kipp are unknown. Taking McClure out of the front row affects things more than people think. Kipp could potentially play OH1 so that there’s only one rotation of overlap with Kipp/Fitz. Even if she plays OH2, it wouldn’t be the end of the world to have her take a small portion of the court (as you’re making it sound like to be frank). Hentz already can cover like half the serve receive formation anyways. Saying I want Kipp to play in the front row doesn’t mean it’ll happen or that I’m forgetting that McClure can pass. you say taking McClure out of the front row affects more than people think. I mean what else besides passing does it affect?? Kipp is a bigger blocker and could possibly be a better hitter. If Kipp’s not as ready offensively, then sure keep McClure in. And I also think calling Plummer spotty is exaggeration, she’s held her own back there. So you want an unproven freshman to take all the garbage sets and put a two-time National Player of the Year in the passing outside hitter position? That makes no sense what so ever. Is it a possibility? Sure. But is it a good one? Absolutely not. And it’s not about having Kipp pass. You have one proven passer in Hentz, one passer that can be solid, but also gets pulled when things go south, and two unproven Passers. So again, who passes in those two rotations and what happens when Plummer starts shanking balls because she is being targeted? I get that Kipp brings a lot of great offensive power. But the serve and pass game still wins championships. |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 13, 2019 16:53:15 GMT -5
Kipp could potentially play OH1 so that there’s only one rotation of overlap with Kipp/Fitz. Even if she plays OH2, it wouldn’t be the end of the world to have her take a small portion of the court (as you’re making it sound like to be frank). Hentz already can cover like half the serve receive formation anyways. Saying I want Kipp to play in the front row doesn’t mean it’ll happen or that I’m forgetting that McClure can pass. you say taking McClure out of the front row affects more than people think. I mean what else besides passing does it affect?? Kipp is a bigger blocker and could possibly be a better hitter. If Kipp’s not as ready offensively, then sure keep McClure in. And I also think calling Plummer spotty is exaggeration, she’s held her own back there. So you want an unproven freshman to take all the garbage sets and put a two-time National Player of the Year in the passing outside hitter position? That makes no sense what so ever. Is it a possibility? Sure. But is it a good one? Absolutely not. And it’s not about having Kipp pass. You have one proven passer in Hentz, one passer that can be solid, but also gets pulled when things go south, and two unproven Passers. So again, who passes in those two rotations and what happens when Plummer starts shanking balls because she is being targeted? I get that Kipp brings a lot of great offensive power. But the serve and pass game still wins championships. I was just presenting the possibility of Kipp playing OH1 to address the potential issue of having Kipp and Fitz share 2 rotations up front. Btw, just because a player is in the OH2 position doesn't necessarily mean she's relegated to a passing role lol you're so absolutist. Regardless of if Kipp is OH1 or OH2, if anything goes south you put McClure in, it's really not that foreign of a concept. And y'all really have no faith in Plummer's passing. |
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Apr 13, 2019 17:11:03 GMT -5
So you want an unproven freshman to take all the garbage sets and put a two-time National Player of the Year in the passing outside hitter position? That makes no sense what so ever. Is it a possibility? Sure. But is it a good one? Absolutely not. And it’s not about having Kipp pass. You have one proven passer in Hentz, one passer that can be solid, but also gets pulled when things go south, and two unproven Passers. So again, who passes in those two rotations and what happens when Plummer starts shanking balls because she is being targeted? I get that Kipp brings a lot of great offensive power. But the serve and pass game still wins championships. I was just presenting the possibility of Kipp playing OH1 to address the potential issue of having Kipp and Fitz share 2 rotations up front. Btw, just because a player is in the OH2 position doesn't necessarily mean she's relegated to a passing role lol you're so absolutist. Regardless of if Kipp is OH1 or OH2, if anything goes south you put McClure in, it's really not that foreign of a concept. And y'all really have no faith in Plummer's passing. Don't blame us if we don't have faith in Plummer's passing - look at Hambly. If he thought she was a fantastic passer, why is she hidden so much then in serve receive? There are plenty of outside hitters who are both passers and the No. 1 offensive option for her teams. I'm not saying Plummer isn't a good passer. I just don't think Kipp's offense is enough to mess up the passing that McClure brings to the table. We have enough offensive power with Plummer, Fitzmorris, Gates and Campbell, especially if we are in-system. And it's not about putting Plummer into a "passing" outside hitter spot. Are you really comfortable having a freshman be your clean-up hitter when the setter only has two offensive options up front (yes, I realize Plummer is an option, but she really should be the third option in that scenario and not used as frequently to deter from wear and tear on her body). |
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Post by Socleanclean on Apr 13, 2019 19:12:19 GMT -5
There are several different lineups that could be quite good for Stanford next season. One I would like to see Hambly try is KP at opposite, Kipp and Fitz lined up at the outside positions. Both of them would be DS’d for by McClure and Formico. You would never have a rotation without a DS helping pass in serve receive. All pins could take swings on both pins. Plummer would always be a back row option when Grey is on the front row. Gates M1, Campbell M2.
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 13, 2019 20:38:19 GMT -5
I was just presenting the possibility of Kipp playing OH1 to address the potential issue of having Kipp and Fitz share 2 rotations up front. Btw, just because a player is in the OH2 position doesn't necessarily mean she's relegated to a passing role lol you're so absolutist. Regardless of if Kipp is OH1 or OH2, if anything goes south you put McClure in, it's really not that foreign of a concept. And y'all really have no faith in Plummer's passing. Don't blame us if we don't have faith in Plummer's passing - look at Hambly. If he thought she was a fantastic passer, why is she hidden so much then in serve receive? There are plenty of outside hitters who are both passers and the No. 1 offensive option for her teams. I'm not saying Plummer isn't a good passer. I just don't think Kipp's offense is enough to mess up the passing that McClure brings to the table. We have enough offensive power with Plummer, Fitzmorris, Gates and Campbell, especially if we are in-system. And it's not about putting Plummer into a "passing" outside hitter spot. Are you really comfortable having a freshman be your clean-up hitter when the setter only has two offensive options up front (yes, I realize Plummer is an option, but she really should be the third option in that scenario and not used as frequently to deter from wear and tear on her body). I said it was a possibility, not that it was a likely scenario or the most ideal. Yes Plummer is hidden in serve receive, but that's because Formico is a better passer and it makes sense to free Plummer up to go hit in ro 5 & 6. Formico being better than Plummer doesn't mean that Plummer is bad. I'm not saying Plummer passes dimes every time, I'm saying she's better than y'all give her credit for. |
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Apr 13, 2019 22:30:30 GMT -5
Don't blame us if we don't have faith in Plummer's passing - look at Hambly. If he thought she was a fantastic passer, why is she hidden so much then in serve receive? There are plenty of outside hitters who are both passers and the No. 1 offensive option for her teams. I'm not saying Plummer isn't a good passer. I just don't think Kipp's offense is enough to mess up the passing that McClure brings to the table. We have enough offensive power with Plummer, Fitzmorris, Gates and Campbell, especially if we are in-system. And it's not about putting Plummer into a "passing" outside hitter spot. Are you really comfortable having a freshman be your clean-up hitter when the setter only has two offensive options up front (yes, I realize Plummer is an option, but she really should be the third option in that scenario and not used as frequently to deter from wear and tear on her body). I said it was a possibility, not that it was a likely scenario or the most ideal. Yes Plummer is hidden in serve receive, but that's because Formico is a better passer and it makes sense to free Plummer up to go hit in ro 5 & 6. Formico being better than Plummer doesn't mean that Plummer is bad. I'm not saying Plummer passes dimes every time, I'm saying she's better than y'all give her credit for. And I also acknowledged that your suggestion was a possibility, though not a good one. What you didn’t answer though is who passes when it is Hentz and Plummer in the back row and Kipp and Fitzmorris in the front row for two rotations? What happens when Plummer is struggling, like she has been known to do on nights when she has been targeted? |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 13, 2019 22:34:55 GMT -5
I said it was a possibility, not that it was a likely scenario or the most ideal. Yes Plummer is hidden in serve receive, but that's because Formico is a better passer and it makes sense to free Plummer up to go hit in ro 5 & 6. Formico being better than Plummer doesn't mean that Plummer is bad. I'm not saying Plummer passes dimes every time, I'm saying she's better than y'all give her credit for. And I also acknowledged that your suggestion was a possibility, though not a good one. What you didn’t answer though is who passes when it is Hentz and Plummer in the back row and Kipp and Fitzmorris in the front row for two rotations? What happens when Plummer is struggling, like she has been known to do on nights when she has been targeted? Uhh? Kipp, Plummer, Hentz. I said if Kipp/Plummer is struggling you put McClure back in for Kipp and have her and Hentz shade over. Heck Keefe ain’t that bad either. Look, I get the importance of passing. I personally think Kipp should get a chance to have meaningful playing time, we are all entitled to our own opinions. And btw, if I remember correctly I believe Plummer was passing around a 2.2~2.25 for the majority of the year soooo I don’t get why we need to keep implying Plummer is not capable |
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Post by volleylbc on Apr 14, 2019 0:10:58 GMT -5
Until Gates is confirmed Lineup should look like this. . .
(Back up option) .
OH - Plummer/McClure
RS - Fitz (Kipp)
MH - Campbell
MH - Kipp (Fitz)
Setter - Grey
Libero - Hentz
This is the strongest lineup IMO.
If Kipp improves over the summer and becomes a stud passer and plays better defense, which by the way she’s not horrible....she’s just not elite like McClure. I look forward to her and McClure competing for the OH spot. However, right now it’s McClure’s to lose. I’ve watched Kipp for the last 6 years ever since she played for Dan at Momentous. She’s an incredible player and athlete. But just handing her a position because of a “drop off” in 2020 is an amateur thought.
I don’t think people really understand that serve and PASS is what wins championships. McClure is one of the best 6 ROTATION Outsides in the country.
Put some respect on her name!
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 14, 2019 0:29:38 GMT -5
No one is being handed anything... y’all love to spin things. If Kipp makes the team better, she should play. The level of competition in the gym will be much better than previous seasons, and I would hope Hambly is also focusing on player development rather than just winning (which he knows his team can already do). While I like Gates and Hambly’s job is to win, I’m not sure if Gates coming to Stanford is the most ideal for team chemistry or if it’s the fairest thing to the players who committed without this knowledge. Who could ever predict Stanford would get a transfer of this caliber? Nonetheless, it is a luxury to have all this talent
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2019 1:36:56 GMT -5
Until Gates is confirmed Lineup should look like this. . . (Back up option) . OH - Plummer/McClure RS - Fitz (Kipp) MH - Campbell MH - Kipp (Fitz) Setter - Grey Libero - Hentz This is the strongest lineup IMO. If Kipp improves over the summer and becomes a stud passer and plays better defense, which by the way she’s not horrible....she’s just not elite like McClure. I look forward to her and McClure competing for the OH spot. However, right now it’s McClure’s to lose. I’ve watched Kipp for the last 6 years ever since she played for Dan at Momentous. She’s an incredible player and athlete. But just handing her a position because of a “drop off” in 2020 is an amateur thought. I don’t think people really understand that serve and PASS is what wins championships. McClure is one of the best 6 ROTATION Outsides in the country. Put some respect on her name! . ^THIS^ -- Ignoring said amateur below you (lol quite the show you put on in that UH match thread lol - lol BTW: it's "brah" here in Hawai'i; not "bruh" lol), ANYWAY, I'm a McClure And KP fan...have stated so here...and I have UTMOST respect for MM's passing game. Plummer's? Meh. She isn't That bad; and yet, if you go back to the title match, set 1, 8-4: her serve receive error put SU in a pretty deep, five point hole. Also, at 17-15 NEB, her pass off of a mild L Sun hit had Karch telling Sunderland, "I'm sorry, Paul: but you could have fit a helicopter in there (where Stivrins made a tomahawk kill for 18-15)". Btw: I have Not seen, nor heard, Any confirmation 'bout Gates. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 14, 2019 1:47:13 GMT -5
It’s not as deep is everyone is making it. It’s simple. Whoever makes the team better, regardless of whether they are a national champion, or a freshman, or this or that. Whoever makes Stanford the best they can be should be on the court in whatever position fulfills that. Period.
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Post by volleylbc on Apr 14, 2019 4:46:55 GMT -5
Until Gates is confirmed Lineup should look like this. . . (Back up option) . OH - Plummer/McClure RS - Fitz (Kipp) MH - Campbell MH - Kipp (Fitz) Setter - Grey Libero - Hentz This is the strongest lineup IMO. If Kipp improves over the summer and becomes a stud passer and plays better defense, which by the way she’s not horrible....she’s just not elite like McClure. I look forward to her and McClure competing for the OH spot. However, right now it’s McClure’s to lose. I’ve watched Kipp for the last 6 years ever since she played for Dan at Momentous. She’s an incredible player and athlete. But just handing her a position because of a “drop off” in 2020 is an amateur thought. I don’t think people really understand that serve and PASS is what wins championships. McClure is one of the best 6 ROTATION Outsides in the country. Put some respect on her name! . ^THIS^ -- Ignoring said amateur below you (lol quite the show you put on in that UH match thread lol - lol BTW: it's "brah" here in Hawai'i; not "bruh" lol), ANYWAY, I'm a McClure And KP fan...have stated so here...and I have UTMOST respect for MM's passing game. Plummer's? Meh. She isn't That bad; and yet, if you go back to the title match, set 1, 8-4: her serve receive error put SU in a pretty deep, five point hole. Also, at 17-15 NEB, her pass off of a mild L Sun hit had Karch telling Sunderland, "I'm sorry, Paul: but you could have fit a helicopter in there (where Stivrins made a tomahawk kill for 18-15)". Btw: I have Not seen, nor heard, Any confirmation 'bout Gates. You don’t even go here. |
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Post by ShaneM2005 on Apr 14, 2019 7:01:37 GMT -5
People love to pick on Plummer’s pass game. She’s a really good passer. People aren’t going to say anything negative about her offensive so the haters naturally comment on her defense & passing. |
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