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Post by sevb on Feb 20, 2011 1:10:44 GMT -5
If Usav & VT buy stock in Kleenex right this minute some of you will make them a FORTUNE!! Tissues all around... An if you get the good stuff it wipes up all the bs too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:10:50 GMT -5
Honestly, as an American, I'm disappointed. Me too.  |
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Post by Shenro on Feb 20, 2011 1:26:02 GMT -5
World-class athletes that already were having issues coming together as a team and issues with people buying into Hugh's system (Tom, McGinnis, etc.). Have you talked to both Tom and McGinnis? What issue did these players have exactly with Hugh's system? Don't know what issues you know McGinnis had but contrary from rumors on these boards, I've been told by people who have been in the OTC that Tom did NOT have problems with Hugh and was one of the hardest workers in Hugh's gym. |
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Post by spalding on Feb 20, 2011 1:30:24 GMT -5
I'm telling you...USA will be better and stronger without Hugh. This group of girls have not played their best volleyball yet. They won a ton of matches last summer without being at their best. They simply won with talent. This is a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2011 1:33:27 GMT -5
World-class athletes that already were having issues coming together as a team and issues with people buying into Hugh's system (Tom, McGinnis, etc.). Have you talked to both Tom and McGinnis? What issue did these players have exactly with Hugh's system? Don't know what issues you know McGinnis had but contrary from rumors on these boards, I've been told by people who have been in the OTC that Tom did NOT have problems with Hugh and was one of the hardest workers in Hugh's gym. Concerning Tom, I know nothing other than what I saw during matches and timeouts, and unfortunately, actions (particularly those actions) speak louder than words. Of course she was one of the hardest workers in the gym. She demands excellence from herself and her teammates. I never said that she slacked off. |
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Post by midnightblue on Feb 20, 2011 1:40:27 GMT -5
Have you talked to both Tom and McGinnis? What issue did these players have exactly with Hugh's system? Don't know what issues you know McGinnis had but contrary from rumors on these boards, I've been told by people who have been in the OTC that Tom did NOT have problems with Hugh and was one of the hardest workers in Hugh's gym. Concerning Tom, I know nothing other than what I saw during matches and timeouts, and unfortunately, actions (particularly those actions) speak louder than words. Of course she was one of the hardest workers in the gym. She demands excellence from herself and her teammates. I never said that she slacked off. Then describe the actions for us...are they the same expressions as she gives on the floor? If so then she must not get along with anyone in the program. |
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Post by MarsH on Feb 20, 2011 1:40:44 GMT -5
I'm telling you...USA will be better and stronger without Hugh. This group of girls have not played their best volleyball yet. They won a ton of matches last summer without being at their best. They simply won with talent. This is a good thing. Are you saying they'll get better as players than they were in 2010? or they'll get better compared to other countries? If it's the first, then sure. As individual players improve their game this pro season, there's bound to be some improvement seen in different players come summer. But where the team will be compared to other countries come Olympic qualification time -- that is what we'll have to wait and see. |
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Post by VBCOACH on Feb 20, 2011 1:52:41 GMT -5
It has always been a big deal, you just haven't realized that because no coach in recent memory has left in the middle of the quad. Bill Neville was fired as Head Coach of the U. S. Men's National Team in mid-quad (I forget the year and I'm too tired to look it up) after a disagreement with the USAV. |
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Post by VBCOACH on Feb 20, 2011 1:56:11 GMT -5
The only reason he is there now is because so many coaches turned down the interim HC job. I thought that Laura Bush took the interm job? |
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 20, 2011 2:07:38 GMT -5
You know, it's threads like this one and the ignorant posters posting their opinions and passing them off as "truth" that initially makes me respond the way I do sometimes.
So, this time I will respond like a "normal" poster and show all of you how wrong you are.
First of all, many of you are ONLY posting about Hugh's involvement with the USA Women's NT, and questioning his "commitment" or "inability to get along with USAV" and dogging him for it. All of you have very short memories. Hugh has been involved with the National Teams for over 10 years and 3 quadrennials. If that's not commitment then I don't know what is.
Many of you forget that his father-in-law was murdered a few days after the Beijing Olympics started. He missed all of pool-play because of this terrible tragedy. The fact that he was able to return at all and help coach his team to a Gold Medal is still one of the most amazing stories to come out of the 2008 Beijing Olympics. Who can forget the image of Hugh, overcome with emotion, running into the tunnel after the last point of the Gold Medal match was over and the USA had won, trying to compose himself through an entire spectrum of emotions.
Hugh McCutcheon has given so much to USA Volleyball. That anyone would even question his integrity is beyond me.
Secondly, all of you that are posting negative comments about Hugh have probably never even met him or talked with him AT ALL. Those of us who have know that he is truly one of the most genuine and grounded people in the volleyball world. After giving so many years of his life to this sport at its highest level, is it wrong for him to now to start thinking more about himself and his family first? Absolutely not.
Finally, unless your Hugh himself posting here anonymously, or Doug Beal doing the same, then you absolutely don't know the whole story. So don't pretend to know. For whatever the reason he is leaving in the middle of this quad, I am sure it is important enough that both Hugh and the "USAV Staff" are willing to allow him to opt out of whatever contract he signed to serve as Women's NT through this quadrennial.
Is it less than optimum that he is leaving mid-quadrennial? Yes. Is it something that can be overcome? Absolutely. I am sure that whoever takes the reins of the Women's NT will be a good choice and will do their best job to get the team prepared.
Finally, all of you fairly ignorant posters seem to think that all the National Teams do is spend 4 years getting ready for the next Olympics. That is absolutely not true. In fact, the Olympics is not even the best international tournament, competition-wise, that the FIVB can hold. Only 12 teams play in the Olympics, and because of zonal qualifications and the host nation receiving an automatic bid, it's not even the 12 best teams in the world. The World Cup and World Grand Prix and World Championships are much more prestigious and competitive FIVB tournaments. The USA Women have alot more competition to worry about between now and 2012 than just the London Olympics.
The current state of the USA Women is one of transition, anyway. You have a team that has lost many of their most senior players from the last quadrennial - players who had been with the team for over 10 years, and in the case of Dani Scott, 4 Olympics. Even if McCutcheon had stayed through the entire quadrennial, there was no guarantee of success. You don't just slap together a team of collegiate superstars and then go POOF! Gold Medal.
One of Hugh's biggest strengths is his ability to get the best out of his athletes, and effect a culture change where the athletes who play for him are able to maintain their individuality, while still understanding the framework of what the team is trying to accomplish and what their stake is in this process. He is a player's coach. He has already done alot to improve the women's team even in relatively short time he has been the head coach. The program is in solid shape right now. He is not leaving the cupboard bare - he has assembled a good core group of athletes in the pipeline, done a great job giving everybody a look, and has also assembled into place a very solid coaching staff that will hopefully stay on even through this transition. Hopefully, whoever steps in to take his place can continue that philosophy and complete the work that he started.
I wish Hugh the best at Minnesota. He is a great coach and even better person. Anyone who posts negative stuff on this thread needs to get over it. He deserves to do what is best for himself and his family at this point in his life. He owes nobody an explanation. He is a gold-medal winning Olympic Coach. How many of those do we have in this country? Exactly three.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 20, 2011 2:10:49 GMT -5
Now, with that post being over, I will now resume my normal GSOBB posting style. So, if you're dumb enough to posted stupid crap and talk %*$# about Hugh, I will make you look all kinds of stupid.
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 20, 2011 2:16:13 GMT -5
It has always been a big deal, you just haven't realized that because no coach in recent memory has left in the middle of the quad. Bill Neville was fired as Head Coach of the U. S. Men's National Team in mid-quad (I forget the year and I'm too tired to look it up) after a disagreement with the USAV. Totally different situation. Nev wanted the USAV staff at the time to free up some of the money they had banked from the Gold Medal era (some say it was upwards of a million bucks) to pay out larger salaries to the USA Men's best players to keep them from going pro overseas and forfeiting their amateur status, and thus preventing them from ever playing again in the Olympics (which were strictly for amateur athletes only at the time). USAV wouldn't do it, so Nev resigned. I don't think he got fired. Jim Coleman was named interim coach. Now, Coleman was an integral part of USA Volleyball for many years, but as one prominent men's coach said at his clinic one time (and, keeping in mind that this senior men's coach was one of Coleman's best friends when he was still alive), Jim "couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag...nice guy though". So, anyway, I got distracted. But Neville leaving mid-quad was a completely different scenario than this one. |
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Post by MarsH on Feb 20, 2011 2:20:17 GMT -5
One of Hugh's biggest strengths is his ability to get the best out of his athletes, and effect a culture change where the athletes who play for him are able to maintain their individuality, while still understanding the framework of what the team is trying to accomplish and what their stake is in this process. He is a player's coach. He has already done alot to improve the women's team even in relatively short time he has been the head coach. The program is in solid shape right now. He is not leaving the cupboard bare - he has assembled a good core group of athletes in the pipeline, done a great job giving everybody a look, and has also assembled into place a very solid coaching staff that will hopefully stay on even through this transition. Hopefully, whoever steps in to take his place can continue that philosophy and complete the work that he started. The question that comes to mind is whether the culture change that Hugh started have taken root enough that it could continue without him. And is there someone who can readily step in and continue the work they've begun who shares the same philosophy. I sure hope so. |
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Post by Shenro on Feb 20, 2011 2:28:29 GMT -5
Have you talked to both Tom and McGinnis? What issue did these players have exactly with Hugh's system? Don't know what issues you know McGinnis had but contrary from rumors on these boards, I've been told by people who have been in the OTC that Tom did NOT have problems with Hugh and was one of the hardest workers in Hugh's gym. Concerning Tom, I know nothing other than what I saw during matches and timeouts, and unfortunately, actions (particularly those actions) speak louder than words. Of course she was one of the hardest workers in the gym. She demands excellence from herself and her teammates. I never said that she slacked off. I thought that you were saying that Tom had an issue buying into Hugh's system, which I interpreted as you meaning that Tom did not want to make the changes in her game and technique based on Hugh's instructions. Because Tom did work very hard to fit into Hugh's fast offense, reception strategy, blocking/defensive scheme, etc. If that's not what you meant, then I misunderstood. |
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Post by bunnywailer on Feb 20, 2011 2:35:54 GMT -5
All-Rec League #11 doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. He went to one USA exhibition match and saw Logan Tom roll her eyes at something, and from that was able to determine everything he knows about her not being able to fit into Hugh's system.
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