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Post by scmb19 on Apr 3, 2007 10:42:52 GMT -5
1) UCF (beat Illinois at Vegas) 2) Illinois (second at Vegas, but still very strong. 3) Lakeland (recent results tend to have more weight than previous results) 4) Oshkosh (lost two this past weekend) 5) Arizona (third at Vegas, when i saw them play, they were good, but not great.
Anyone have any ideas for the rest of the rankings?
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Post by stupidmiddle on Apr 3, 2007 11:05:55 GMT -5
Each team with the exception of Illinois has had a stumble recently. Lakeland lost to Notre Dame, UW-Oshkosh lost to Wisconsin, Arizona lost to UCF, UCF lost to Oshkosh and Long Beach (?) at Las Vegas. In my opinon the rankings should be: 1) Illinois- no losses recently- so no reason to be anything but #1 2) Lakeland- Lost twice to Illinois, but beat UW-O. Also, was there a more excited team not to see Oshkosh win? You would have thought they were going to the World Series the way they reacted when they found out Oshkosh lost. 3) UW-Oshkosh- Still good, stumbled a little this weekend. Still beat UCF and Arizona at HIC. 4) UCF- Won Vegas- problem is in region no other teams to give them a run. 5) Arizona- Best #5 ever. But they have not beaten any of the teams in front of them, with the exception of UCF, and UCF avenged that loss in Vegas. You cite UCF and Arizona's recent wins/losses in Vegas, and then say Illinois hasnt had a recent loss? Also, Arizona lost to Oshkosh at HIC
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Post by mucads6 on Apr 3, 2007 11:32:26 GMT -5
we are talking so much about the top 5 in the rankings, and we all know who its going to be, just not in what order. what does everyone think about the rest of the rankings..#6-25..? Here are the last rankings..who moves up, who moves down? who drops out..lets start to focus on 6-25
1. UW-Oshkosh 2. Arizona 3. Illinois 4. Lakeland 5. UC Davis 6. Notre Dame 7. Central Florida 8. UC Berkeley 9. UCLA 10. Maryland 11. Cal Poly-SLO 12. Virginia Tech 13. Colorado 14. Ohio State 15. Navy 16. Michigan State 17. Wisconsin 18. Texas A & M 19. Santa Clara 20. Penn State 21. Marquette 22. TIE Loyola Marymount UC-San Diego Boston College 25. TIE Utah Valley State Georgia Northeastern San Diego State
Honorable Mention (alphabetically):
Army Dayton Delaware Illinois State Indiana Iowa State James Madison Miami U Missouri Northern Illinois
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Post by gobears on Apr 3, 2007 14:58:44 GMT -5
results from NCCVL League Championships from last weekend. Semis - Davis downed Cal in 4; Sonoma downed Poly in 5 !!! Finals - Davis downed Sonoma in 4. Last two games were won by 2.
After a decent start and a bit of a lull in midseason, Sonoma has come roaring on. Will be interesting to see how they handle Nationals.
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Post by scmb19 on Apr 3, 2007 15:40:19 GMT -5
wow, so sonoma did make it to the finals. Not too bad for the 6th place team in league. I think that this shows that anyone from the NCCVL will be able to do just about anything at nationals. Expect quite a few NCCVL teams to go fairly far at nationals. I'm not saying national championship, but at least to gold.
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Post by zip15 on Apr 3, 2007 15:46:59 GMT -5
6-25, heres my shot at it: Notre Dame stays at 6 because they still haven't lost to anyone below them. UC-Davis to 7-9 after Vegas/NCCVL. Davis couldn't beat a BYU team with 5 players and a random UNLV guy, and didnt beat USD. Davis didn't actually win a pool match since Mesa State didn't end up coming. I have no idea what Cal has done recently other then lose to Davis. UCLA did decent at Vegas losing to UCF, they hang around where their at.
MSU, Texas A+M, Maryland all played decently and got bounced by fairly good teams, each takes a small hit for it. Colorado and Indiana played poorly at Vegas, while Sac State, San Jose and Long Beach all played well.
MSU beat OSU this past weekend at MIVAs, Indiana made a run at the Big Ten title before running into Illinois and both Indiana and OSU faltered a bit, losing to NIU.
Other teams I have no results from are Virginia Tech, Penn State, Loyola, Boston College, and a few other of those random teams at 22-25.
6. Notre Dame (haven't lost to anyone below them in a long time) 7. UCLA (No clue how the SCCVL turned out, but can't fault them for losing vs. Vegas Champs) 8. Davis (Not a great showing at Vegas, but won tough NCCVL) 9. Cal (NCCVL quarters is the only game I know they've played) 10. Wisconsin (One huge win...how high can it take them?) 11. Cal Poly (getting beat by Sonoma State? everybodys doin it!) 12. Maryland (3rd Place in silver after getting bounced by Davis in challenge match) 13. Virginia Tech (What have they done?) 14. Santa Clara (Good record in NCCVL, 10th place finish at Vegas) 15. Michigan State (Good win vs OSU at MIVA, then drew hot Lakeland) 16. Utah Valley State (9th at Vegas) 17. Texas A+M (Losses vs Davis and Sac State at Vegas, but beat Utah Valley) 18. San Jose (5th place at Vegas, poor record in NCCVL) 19. Northern Illinois (4-0 in pool play vs Ohio Northern, Indiana, OSU, Dayton) 20. Ohio State (Losses vs NIU, MSU at a time when they needed some wins) 21. Penn State (No clue what they've done, could be lower, could be much much higher) 22. Colorado (Getting bounced in the first round of silver not the way to help your rank) 23. Navy (Getting bounced in the second isn't much better) 24. Loyola (Loses to D2-#3 Airforce and ILL, to silver, beats Colorado, loses to Cal Poly B and Utah) 25. Georgia
HM: Illinois State (Better then Marquette) Indiana (REALLY bad Vegas tournament, much better Big Ten tournament, tough) Marquette (Lost to UW-M? 4-0 in bottom pool, beat NIU, 2 losses to Notre Dame) UC-SD SDSU random others
These are my first pass through the rankings from what people have said on here and the results from lasvegasopen.info and the MIVA stuff. Specially with the western teams this may not be very accurate. One thing is that the midwest is top loaded, so the 4-5 teams from 6-20 only get a chance to play teams of their caliber once in a while, and they play the elite teams all the time. The California teams get to play tons and tons of matches against the middle 15 of the top 25, but not nearly as many against the top few. Interesting to see how that plays out at nationals
Last note--Sonoma State is DII, so we won't get to see then play against most of their NCCVL foes at nationals.
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Post by star035 on Apr 3, 2007 17:02:53 GMT -5
Good thoughts, zip. A couple other schools that come to mind are Grand Valley State and Ohio Northern.
Given how well the top five teams have performed this year, I wouldn't want to be ranked 20-29 for nationals. Those teams will have a tough match-up against their pool's top seed.
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Post by peluche on Apr 3, 2007 17:13:24 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I didn't notice Long Beach on the list of teams for nationals...anyone know for sure if they're going or not?
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Post by VballKing03 on Apr 3, 2007 18:20:06 GMT -5
In Regards to Ohio Northern, They are a D2 team and are ranked 2nd in the nation there. Grand Valley State played well at GMW10 tournament and beat Ohio Northern for the Conference championship but in GMW10 season play wasn't to good. Ohio Northern revenged the championship loss Sunday morning at MIVA's beating Grand Valley State pretty easily
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Post by zip15 on Apr 3, 2007 20:47:21 GMT -5
Grand Valley State is a pretty decent team but had a real rough day one at MIVAs. Try playing Illinois, Lakeland, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin in 4 consecutive matches. That pool contained all 4 semifinal teams! I could see GVSU in the honorable mention or 20-25 portion of the rankings when they come out, or maybe just off the list.
D2 has some real good teams this year. Ohio Northern has played right with a ton of good teams this year. Air Force did well at Vegas, Sonoma State is making their case for a high seed.
Other interesting omission from the nationals list is Fresno State, unless I missed them. They have a real nice NCCVL record but I don't see them on any list.
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Post by ucfvb10 on Apr 4, 2007 19:36:23 GMT -5
Well my opinion is that you cant penalize a team that has been #1 for so long and is the only team to have beaten all of the teams in this discussion. I’m not sure about all the teams out west, all I know is from the Vegas tourney so they are interchangeable but some teams left off by others like Arizona st. deserve to be looked at 1. Oshkosh 2. UCF 3. Illinois 4. Arizona 5. Lakeland 6. UCLA 7. Notre Dame 8. Davis 9. Berkley 10. Madison 11. Virginia Tech 12. Santa Clara 13. Michigan st 14. San Jose 15. Arizona st 16. San Diego 17. san Diego st 18. Utah valley 19. Texas a&m 20. Colorado 21. Ohio st 22. Northern ILL 23. Navy 24. Indiana 25. Loyola
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Post by gobears on Apr 5, 2007 9:55:19 GMT -5
uh, Berkeley please. 3 e's.....
but nobody in the western US uses that at all. We go by Cal.
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Post by Durian on Apr 6, 2007 9:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by iu12345 on Apr 6, 2007 9:52:43 GMT -5
Posting another ranking would have been a waste. All it would have done was piss the teams off who were ranked higher April 1, but had to move down a few spots to avoid regional matchups in the pools when the actual seeding comes out April 11th. We'll just all have to find some other way to occupy ourselves for the next 5 days until the seeds are announced...
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Post by jas1vans on Apr 6, 2007 11:51:06 GMT -5
Here's how I'll occupy some time....
IU we're coming for you. Oooooohhhhh yeahhhh (think Macho Man Randy Savage) I can't wait till we play you, we're taking you down to Chinatown. It's on like King Kong playing ping pong against Donkey Kong.
Actually, I'm pretty sure we're going to be in D1-AA, so I'll come talk $h!t when I'm off.
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