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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 13:38:13 GMT -5
Yeah, this is a mess...
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Post by msgt70a on Nov 26, 2011 14:37:15 GMT -5
The hard part of all the geography constraints is that it usualy forces the unseeded Big 10, Big 12 and Pac 12 teams to play each other earlier in the tournment than would otherwise be the case if they seeded the whole tournament 1 to 64. What else tends to mess things up is the RPI that they so heavily rely on - even though they say it is only one of many factors.
I think the person might have meant Jackson State with the automatic bid from SWAC, but not sure.
There are lots of potential teams that could be sent to Florida State (Florida, Jackson, Miami, North Carolina, Duke, Liberty). Around Kentucky/Tennesse, there are Morehead, Lipscomb, Dayton, Louisville, Ohio State. Then you have all those east coast schools: Delaware, Yale, Albany, Eastern Shore, Sacred Heart, American. Penn State. For four likely hosts (Kentucky, Tennessee, Florida State and Penn State) there are 21 pretty sure in teams and two bubbles based on RPI (Samford and Clemson) they can only host 16. Lots of these teams will have to travel. There are just so many conferences on the east coast with automatic bids.
Too bad for Oregon State (sort of like MIchigan Srate last year). They would have likley made it based on RPI.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 14:47:35 GMT -5
The bigger problem is you have no idea who has submitted a bid to host. Duke could be hosting or Louisville or even Yale (as they did a few years ago). Almost impossible to create a pre-tournament bracket without that info
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Post by trojansc on Nov 26, 2011 15:14:56 GMT -5
Too bad for Oregon State (sort of like MIchigan Srate last year). They would have likley made it based on RPI. Huh? Oregon State's RPI is 117. |
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Post by tcg on Nov 26, 2011 15:43:14 GMT -5
I love that situation laxlga. Ohio State can handle Western Michigan, Louisville and ISU. Ohio State would be able to handle Western Michigan and Louisville, but I don't think ISU would lose to Ohio State, especially at home. |
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 26, 2011 15:47:00 GMT -5
As I posted in the Big 12 thread, here's the actual phrasing: Selection Requirements
To be considered during the at-large selection process, a team must have an overall won-lost record above .500.
Bylaw 31.3.3.1 – Countable Competition.
For NCAA team-championship selection purposes, competition is countable only when the teams played are varsity intercollegiate teams of four-year, degree-granting institutions that conduct a majority of their competition in that team sport against varsity intercollegiate teams (see Constitution 3.2.4.5) of United States four-year, degree-granting institution. Competition against service teams, professional teams, semiprofessional teams, amateur teams, two-year colleges and club teams shall be excluded. |
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 26, 2011 17:06:17 GMT -5
A trouble with the Ohio States, St. Mary's, Arizonas and UCSB's (all of whom I have in) is what do you do with their bushel full of losses. Ohio State had a ton of chances to win v. top competition, and did a few times. What if Ball State, who I do not have in, played all those teams? Wouldn't they win a few? Not a lot, but the OSU/Arizona clan doesn't win many, just one or two to point to, Baylor also. I like the wins, but then I'm a West Coast guy and favor UCSB, St. Mary's and Arizona (UCSB has to win tonight v. TCU).
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 17:09:44 GMT -5
Excellent points BW, hopefully the committee thinks that way also, but I doubt it. If it goes straight RPI again this year, it's time for a new way of picking teams.
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Post by reign69heir on Nov 26, 2011 17:22:19 GMT -5
Excellent points BW, hopefully the committee thinks that way also, but I doubt it. If it goes straight RPI again this year, it's time for a new way of picking teams. Everyone realizes that the committee didn't go "straight RPI" last year, right? They used more than just that tool, but the end result looked like they just so happened to use only RPI. |
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Post by volleyhead on Nov 26, 2011 17:36:22 GMT -5
A potential bracket...It depends so much on how the committee is going to seed the top 16. Probably too many flights but tell me what do you think?
1) NEBRASKA
Nebraska vs Delaware
Kansas State vs Wichita State
2nd Round - NEBRASKA vs K-STATE
16) FLORIDA
Florida vs Jax St.
Lipscomb vs American
FLORIDA vs AMERICAN
8) UCLA
UCLA vs St. Mary's
Northern Colorado vs Oklahoma
UCLA vs OKLAHOMA
9)FLORIDA STATE
Florida State vs Samford
Michigan St. vs Arizona
FLORIDA STATE vs MICHIGAN STATE
4) TEXAS
Texas vs Texas State
Tulsa vs Colorado State
TEXAS vs COLORADO STATE
13) MINNESOTA
Minn. vs Maryland East Shore
N. Illinois vs Louisville
MINNESOTA vs LOUISVILLE
5) PURDUE
Purdue vs Central Michigan
Ball State vs Missouri
PURDUE vs MISSOURI
12) NORTHERN IOWA
UNI vs Sacred Heart
Ohio State vs Duke
UNI vs OHIO STATE
2) USC
USC vs Marquette
Pepperdine vs Michigan
USC vs PEPPERDINE
15) KENTUCKY
Kentucky vs Western Kentucky
Texas A&M vs Liberty
KENTUCKY vs TEXAS A&M
7) IOWA STATE
ISU vs UW Milwaukee
Cincy vs Dayton
IOWA STATE vs CINCY
10) TENNESEE
Tenn vs Morehead State
Baylor vs Western Michigan
TENNESSEE vs BAYLOR
3) HAWAII
Hawaii vs NDSU
LBSU vs Oregon
HAWAII vs OREGON
14) STANFORD
Stanford vs Albany
San Diego vs North Carolina
STANFORD vs SAN DIEGO
6) ILLINOIS
Illinois vs Yale
CAL vs Miami
ILLINOIS vs CAL
11) PENN STATE
Penn State vs Niagra
Washington vs Middle Tenn State
PENN STATE vs WASHINGTON
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Post by volleytology on Nov 26, 2011 17:59:49 GMT -5
Not bad...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2011 18:07:49 GMT -5
Hawaii regional is bracket of death though. |
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Post by stpaulvolleyball on Nov 26, 2011 18:24:46 GMT -5
You have Long Beach State and Louisville appearing twice each.
It looks like you are missing the Big Sky Champion and Liberty.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 26, 2011 18:28:44 GMT -5
I like it. Long Beach has enough players to play in two sub-regionals. Would be interesting if the two Long Beach teams meet in the regional, do they get to re-combine after that?
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 26, 2011 18:37:14 GMT -5
Excellent points BW, hopefully the committee thinks that way also, but I doubt it. If it goes straight RPI again this year, it's time for a new way of picking teams. Everyone realizes that the committee didn't go "straight RPI" last year, right? They used more than just that tool, but the end result looked like they just so happened to use only RPI. As I recollect, the at large teams were exactly in line with RPI, and the 16 seeded teams were the 16 highest RPI teams. How they were seeded didn't follow RPI, but to say the Committee didn't go straight by RPI last year is really making a fine point. Of course they did. Doesn't mean they have to this year, of course. It is technically only a factor. |
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