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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 30, 2013 12:46:30 GMT -5
I know what I think, but thanks for telling me anyway. Yes, the responsibility for this season for Texas is on JE. You can't name any specific "trashing" criticism of Collins because there aren't any. You are just overreacting. Saying that a player has never played in an NCAA Tournament match is not an opinion. Saying that a setter has not beaten a ranked opponent as a starting 5-1 setter is not an opinion. Saying that less than 5% of National Championship teams have won with a true Freshman setter is not an opinion. Saying that a blocker is 5"7" is also not an opinion. Calling me a moron is, I guess, some kind of opinion. Thinking that Big 12 Rookie of the Week is a big deal is an opinion. My opinion is that the Longhorn's biggest issues this year are Elliott's mismanagement, Lack of team chemistry, and lack of ball control. All of those are JE's responsibility. Hookem Specific trashing of Collins from you- Does that ring say "Collins" on the side? - October 29 Has Collins won a 5th set running a 5-1 ? - October 29 - trash talk because the only time she was running a 5-1 when a 5th set was required was San Diego and her coaches were telling her to run the higher tempo, lower sets. I believe you yourself have posted "the setter is running the offense the coach requests" I don't think she got that dig. - October 28 It has a great analysis of Collins' practice stats. - October 25 another swipe at Collins as the article mentions nothing about her other than she had a one-on-one with Salima. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the overwhelming majority of UT VT posters would rather see Collins start than Texas win another NC. - October 24 You know I wondered if my comments about you were unfair, so I looked through your previous posts. I stand 100% behind my comments after reading negative post after negative post from you. See the sample above about Collins alone. The sad part is it doesn't end there. You trash Dalton "Dalton was a mediocre back row passer" and "IF Dalton were healthy, she would not be as good as Chiaka on the RS and she would be a mediocre back row passer." You trash Eckerman "Eckerman's stats are almost as good now as her reputation" and your comment after her LHN feature about needing to be an "inspiration ON the court". Then you also trash Ashley Engle "Engle was very talented but did not do so well in Final Fours." As your fellow trash talker dawagner points out, this board is for opinion. But opinions are like @$$%*!*s everyone has one and some are quite a bit stinkier than others. Your negative opinion after negative opinion is sad. And rationalizing this behavior, DAWAGNER, by saying they're use to it??? Being constructively criticized by coaches during your playing career and being anonymously trashed by volleyball morons on volleytalk is NOT the same thing. I would think a coach (as you claim to be) would know that. You'd be smart to put this guy on ignore. His comments are completely defensive without any insight beyond what he reads and his limited knowledge. It's clear he doesn't understand setting or the game generally if he can't concede some of your comments as true. It's no use even trying to discuss; he's a closed door (knob)
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Post by yellovfan on Oct 30, 2013 13:29:36 GMT -5
I know what I think, but thanks for telling me anyway. Yes, the responsibility for this season for Texas is on JE. You can't name any specific "trashing" criticism of Collins because there aren't any. You are just overreacting. Saying that a player has never played in an NCAA Tournament match is not an opinion. Saying that a setter has not beaten a ranked opponent as a starting 5-1 setter is not an opinion. Saying that less than 5% of National Championship teams have won with a true Freshman setter is not an opinion. Saying that a blocker is 5"7" is also not an opinion. Calling me a moron is, I guess, some kind of opinion. Thinking that Big 12 Rookie of the Week is a big deal is an opinion. My opinion is that the Longhorn's biggest issues this year are Elliott's mismanagement, Lack of team chemistry, and lack of ball control. All of those are JE's responsibility. Hookem Specific trashing of Collins from you- Does that ring say "Collins" on the side? - October 29 Has Collins won a 5th set running a 5-1 ? - October 29 - trash talk because the only time she was running a 5-1 when a 5th set was required was San Diego and her coaches were telling her to run the higher tempo, lower sets. I believe you yourself have posted "the setter is running the offense the coach requests" I don't think she got that dig. - October 28 It has a great analysis of Collins' practice stats. - October 25 another swipe at Collins as the article mentions nothing about her other than she had a one-on-one with Salima. The only conclusion to be drawn is that the overwhelming majority of UT VT posters would rather see Collins start than Texas win another NC. - October 24 You know I wondered if my comments about you were unfair, so I looked through your previous posts. I stand 100% behind my comments after reading negative post after negative post from you. See the sample above about Collins alone. The sad part is it doesn't end there. You trash Dalton "Dalton was a mediocre back row passer" and "IF Dalton were healthy, she would not be as good as Chiaka on the RS and she would be a mediocre back row passer." You trash Eckerman "Eckerman's stats are almost as good now as her reputation" and your comment after her LHN feature about needing to be an "inspiration ON the court". Then you also trash Ashley Engle "Engle was very talented but did not do so well in Final Fours." As your fellow trash talker dawagner points out, this board is for opinion. But opinions are like @$$%*!*s everyone has one and some are quite a bit stinkier than others. Your negative opinion after negative opinion is sad. And rationalizing this behavior, DAWAGNER, by saying they're use to it??? Being constructively criticized by coaches during your playing career and being anonymously trashed by volleyball morons on volleytalk is NOT the same thing. I would think a coach (as you claim to be) would know that. So a "negative post" is one that make's you upset and you disagree with. I don't trash talk. It seems that facts seem to bother you more than differing opinions. If you disagree so much, don't read the posts. If you think only your opinions should be read, you are in the wrong place. If you want everyone to rave about your favorite players and repeatedly only criticize the ones you don't like, you will continue to be frustrated. If someone makes a serious claim that all of the lineup changes this year were strictly because of practice statistics, I'm not going to let that go by without making a joke. The comment about the Championship ring was a joke. Those rings usually speak for themselves......unless you just don't like the player that earned the ring. Again, most of the criticism goes to the the head coach.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 30, 2013 13:29:52 GMT -5
You'd be smart to put this guy on ignore. His comments are completely defensive without any insight beyond what he reads and his limited knowledge. It's clear he doesn't understand setting or the game generally if he can't concede some of your comments as true. It's no use even trying to discuss; he's a closed door (knob) I honestly hope to God both you and yellovfan both put me on ignore. I have done the same to both of you. If people would stop quoting you two morons, I wouldn't have to read any of your clueless "expertise". I would just like to remind people that the person calling out my limited knowledge of the game is the same person that said Chloe has no connection with our middles. A statement that anyone with even limited knowledge has to scratch their head about and wonder what motivates a comment like that to occur. Perhaps someone's setting pupil getting passed over by a program??? I find it hilarious as well the person on here calling ME defensive is the same insecure poster that had to pm me to tell me about his setting expertise and how dare I question his posts as crap. You seem to think any opinion (even when veiled as personal attacks against players) is perfectly acceptable but if someone calls those same "opinions" out as crap you and your friend yellovfan want to get all butt hurt over it, because people aren't bowing down to your "expert" volleyball knowledge. I'm not your player, I'm not your friend and I don't need to read your ridiculous opinions and accept them as fact. As a side note to those tired of this discourse, you click on someone's name, then the wheel in the top right hand corner, and then hit "Block Member" and their posts are hidden. If you need to do that to me please do so, I try hard to not engage these twits but something is wrong mentally with me that I fail. I would encourage you to research yellovfan's posts and posters like him. Click on their name then at the bottom "View this member's recent posts". I think if you peruse through those posters' body of work you'll realize the Block Member functionality is a great feature on this site and is truly a great way to make volleytalk a more positive experience.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 13:45:44 GMT -5
You'd be smart to put this guy on ignore. His comments are completely defensive without any insight beyond what he reads and his limited knowledge. It's clear he doesn't understand setting or the game generally if he can't concede some of your comments as true. It's no use even trying to discuss; he's a closed door (knob) I honestly hope to God both you and yellovfan both put me on ignore. I have done the same to both of you. If people would stop quoting you two morons, I wouldn't have to read any of your clueless "expertise". I would just like to remind people that the person calling out my limited knowledge of the game is the same person that said Chloe has no connection with our middles. A statement that anyone with even limited knowledge has to scratch their head about and wonder what motivates a comment like that to occur. Perhaps someone's setting pupil getting passed over by a program??? I find it hilarious as well the person on here calling ME defensive is the same insecure poster that had to pm me to tell me about his setting expertise and how dare I question his posts as crap. You seem to think any opinion (even when veiled as personal attacks against players) is perfectly acceptable but if someone calls those same "opinions" out as crap you and your friend yellovfan want to get all butt hurt over it, because people aren't bowing down to your "expert" volleyball knowledge. I'm not your player, I'm not your friend and I don't need to read your ridiculous opinions and accept them as fact. As a side note to those tired of this discourse, you click on someone's name, then the wheel in the top right hand corner, and then hit "Block Member" and their posts are hidden. If you need to do that to me please do so, I try hard to not engage these twits but something is wrong mentally with me that I fail. I would encourage you to research yellovfan's posts and posters like him. Click on their name then at the bottom "View this member's recent posts". I think if you peruse through those posters' body of work you'll realize the Block Member functionality is a great feature on this site and is truly a great way to make volleytalk a more positive experience. You gotta love tempesthorn - - offer a different opinion and he asks all to ignore the poster. The problem with this poster is he has a conflict of interest in that he claims to know the family of Collins and takes it upon himself to speak for them. Also, watch out for pm's from him.
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Post by Dry Ice on Oct 30, 2013 13:47:22 GMT -5
Bravo tempesthorn! You have articulated what I have read all season: snide, sarcastic, belittling, melodramatic, moronic comments from so-called fans whose trash talk is not reserved for setters but mostly everyone else on the team. I don't believe in censorship or sugar coating but I also don't believe in vendettas as well. Is it possible to discuss Texas volleyball (warts and all) without all the crap? It would behoove some of you to follow the example of southie whose posts are sane, articulate, and credible!
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 13:51:49 GMT -5
Chloe deserves the nod at the starting setter position. She has proven herself as a quality setter. Her defense is wonderful in the back row and she is extremely quick to get to 2 or 3 passes, and for once doesn't always go to the OH's when out of system like that. Texas played a great match against K-State. Great things happened and Chloe set that team to over a 300 clip. Hannah is a physical force at the net in blocking but she is slower in transition and ALWAYS uses the OH's to be rescued from a bad pass. Hannah came in as a very talented setter and earned her spot over Kocher, yet Kocher set Texas to a final four her freshman year, and ran a gorgeous 6:2 with Ashley in 09. Don't get me wrong, Hannah is a nice girl but Chloe is better. As far as the liability of her in the front row, not too worried about it, even when we play bigger teams like PSU or Washington etc etc. Chloe sets a better tempo and her location is more efficient than Hannah's. It's nice to have Hannah in reserve just in case we need her because she absolutely can spark up a set/match. Clearly however, Chloe will be our starter and it's well deserved. Texas improves every match and by tourney time they will be in top form ready for any team. With Collins at the wheel, she is confident, she is poised and she is ready to lead this team to yet another final four. Hannah will be the reserve and for good reason. I like her as a person but from a coaches point of view, she is not better than Collins. Hannah comes with experience, but Chloe does as well, and as a freshman she out sets Hannah. Sorry, not meaning to step on anyones toes but JE knows Chloe will start and Hannah will be reserved. Also with JE , you just never know, we may see Hannah out there tonight. IMO---I believe Hannah has not improved over her years at Texas, she was a great recruit for Texas but as much as I loved her physicality when she was a freshman, she seems to have become worse than better. Guys, she is senior setter, look at all the other senior setters in the powerhouse programs. Hannah is always just 2 steps behind. I have full confidence that Chloe will set this team to another final four. Even after looking great on the road at K-State, Texas will continue to improve and make a huge run for the title again and Chloe will have the reigns. This is just my opinion. I like both girls, they are great friends but as far as the sport goes, Chloe deserves the nod. She's great! Also something to be noted, Hannah is actually the first setter in a very long time to come to TExas and not earn any award whether it be B12 honors or Nationally. Anways, just my opinion once again. Not trying to be rude or mean, just my opinion that Collins has proven herself to start. If we are struggling then we have another set of hands to count on. LOL! Texas won a national championship with Allison and Allison was on the All Tournament Team for the Final 4.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 30, 2013 13:58:59 GMT -5
You gotta love tempesthorn - - offer a different opinion and he asks all to ignore the poster. The problem with this poster is he has a conflict of interest in that he claims to know the family of Collins and takes it upon himself to speak for them. Also, watch out for pm's from him. I have NEVER claimed to know the family of Collins nor have I spoken on their behalf. I defy you to find anything here or in PM that says differently. I met Chloe's mother once last spring at one of the spring games in Houston and that's the extent of it. I defend Chloe and am embarassed that someone pretending to be a Texas fan such as yourself posts the stuff you do about Collins. But by all means continue to make %*$# up to try to discredit me as a poster who only supports Collins. In fact, I support the entire team.
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Post by yellovfan on Oct 30, 2013 14:06:52 GMT -5
So if you support Collins starting next year and not this year, you aren't a real Longhorn fan and you get called names. You gotta love us for embracing diversity! Hookem
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 14:34:51 GMT -5
I can only assume that Jerritt and Salima are having Collins set because she is playing better in practice (and carrying that into matches). I guess we'll see tonight if Collins gets the nod again. Despte Collins' size and true freshman status, the staff is starting and playing her more than the taller, experienced, senior setter. Based on resumes, this shouldn't be a close competition; but, somehow it is. It's all about what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. Several posters on here want the staff to decide on a starting setter and go with her for the rest of the season. That may have already happened. I agree and that is what Elliott is paid for - - to make decisions. But that doesn't mean he isn't subject to discussion and questioning - - Ask Mack Brown!
My opinion is clearly stated - - I think Elliott is making a mistake with Collins setting from the front row. Personally, I don't care about how well she or Allison set during conference - - winning the Big 12 is a given for this team. Winning the 1st round is an expectation for this team. What I care about is the team making it out of the regionals. That is an expectation of the defending national champions who are returning all players but McNeal and barring any significant injuries. I don't expect a national championship - just being in the position to compete for a national championship based on the level of talent and experience on this team.
I think an inexperienced, short Collins will be exploited by the upper echelon teams. She is very talented and athletic but is far from a technically good setter at this early point of her career. She is a huge blocking liability which I think may be the teams downfall in the end. For those already concerned about the passing from Neal, Brooks and Palmer, just think of the pressure on them with the top hitters hitting over Collins.
Now why is Elliott doing this? I have an opinion / theory. I feel is is feeling the pressure form a recruiting standpoint to play a highly recruited setter. From watching the matches this season, I feel he has been looking for any reason to replace Allison with Collins. He tried the 5-1 with Collins early during conference but had to go back to Allison during the Texas Tech match when Collins played poorly. During the home Iowa State match when the passing was terrible during the early part of game 1, he quickly pulled Allison with Collins. Collins has been setting the 5-1 since except for game 3 of the West Virginia match. BTW, that move pissed my off. You stated in a previous thread that it was not unusual for a coach to substitute setters when the match was in hand. I can't remember for sure it you were the poster to say, "mop up". Anyway I was pissed because you don't treat the defending national championship setter this way. Imagine the effect on Allison's confidence, especially if he needs Allison later in a key playoff match. My feeling is if you have made the setting decision this late in the season, you stick with your setter all the way.
So that's where I stand on this matter. Unlike what our 2 other posters think, it's not personal. And I won't be a weenie and call for all to block them!
And the great thing is if I am wrong, we will be playing in Washington in December. I hope I am wrong. Won't be the first time.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 14:38:22 GMT -5
So if you support Collins starting next year and not this year, you aren't a real Longhorn fan and you get called names. You gotta love us for embracing diversity! Hookem Stop "pretending to be a Texas fan" or I may have to block you!
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Post by yellovfan on Oct 30, 2013 14:48:11 GMT -5
I can only assume that Jerritt and Salima are having Collins set because she is playing better in practice (and carrying that into matches). I guess we'll see tonight if Collins gets the nod again. Despte Collins' size and true freshman status, the staff is starting and playing her more than the taller, experienced, senior setter. Based on resumes, this shouldn't be a close competition; but, somehow it is. It's all about what-have-you-done-for-me-lately. Several posters on here want the staff to decide on a starting setter and go with her for the rest of the season. That may have already happened. I agree and that is what Elliott is paid for - - to make decisions. But that doesn't mean he isn't subject to discussion and questioning - - Ask Mack Brown!
My opinion is clearly stated - - I think Elliott is making a mistake with Collins setting from the front row. Personally, I don't care about how well she or Allison set during conference - - winning the Big 12 is a given for this team. Winning the 1st round is an expectation for this team. What I care about is the team making it out of the regionals. That is an expectation of the defending national champions who are returning all players but McNeal and barring any significant injuries. I don't expect a national championship - just being in the position to compete for a national championship based on the level of talent and experience on this team.
I think an inexperienced, short Collins will be exploited by the upper echelon teams. She is very talented and athletic but is far from a technically good setter at this early point of her career. She is a huge blocking liability which I think may be the teams downfall in the end. For those already concerned about the passing from Neal, Brooks and Palmer, just think of the pressure on them with the top hitters hitting over Collins.
Now why is Elliott doing this? I have an opinion / theory. I feel is is feeling the pressure form a recruiting standpoint to play a highly recruited setter. From watching the matches this season, I feel he has been looking for any reason to replace Allison with Collins. He tried the 5-1 with Collins early during conference but had to go back to Allison during the Texas Tech match when Collins played poorly. During the home Iowa State match when the passing was terrible during the early part of game 1, he quickly pulled Allison with Collins. Collins has been setting the 5-1 since except for game 3 of the West Virginia match. BTW, that move pissed my off. You stated in a previous thread that it was not unusual for a coach to substitute setters when the match was in hand. I can't remember for sure it you were the poster to say, "mop up". Anyway I was pissed because you don't treat the defending national championship setter this way. Imagine the effect on Allison's confidence, especially if he needs Allison later in a key playoff match. My feeling is if you have made the setting decision this late in the season, you stick with your setter all the way.
So that's where I stand on this matter. Unlike what our 2 other posters think, it's not personal. And I won't be a weenie and call for all to block them!
And the great thing is if I am wrong, we will be playing in Washington in December. I hope I am wrong. Won't be the first time. +1 Point Texas
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 30, 2013 14:52:28 GMT -5
I honestly hope to God both you and yellovfan both put me on ignore. I have done the same to both of you. If people would stop quoting you two morons, I wouldn't have to read any of your clueless "expertise". I would just like to remind people that the person calling out my limited knowledge of the game is the same person that said Chloe has no connection with our middles. A statement that anyone with even limited knowledge has to scratch their head about and wonder what motivates a comment like that to occur. Perhaps someone's setting pupil getting passed over by a program??? I find it hilarious as well the person on here calling ME defensive is the same insecure poster that had to pm me to tell me about his setting expertise and how dare I question his posts as crap. You seem to think any opinion (even when veiled as personal attacks against players) is perfectly acceptable but if someone calls those same "opinions" out as crap you and your friend yellovfan want to get all butt hurt over it, because people aren't bowing down to your "expert" volleyball knowledge. I'm not your player, I'm not your friend and I don't need to read your ridiculous opinions and accept them as fact. As a side note to those tired of this discourse, you click on someone's name, then the wheel in the top right hand corner, and then hit "Block Member" and their posts are hidden. If you need to do that to me please do so, I try hard to not engage these twits but something is wrong mentally with me that I fail. I would encourage you to research yellovfan's posts and posters like him. Click on their name then at the bottom "View this member's recent posts". I think if you peruse through those posters' body of work you'll realize the Block Member functionality is a great feature on this site and is truly a great way to make volleytalk a more positive experience. You gotta love tempesthorn - - offer a different opinion and he asks all to ignore the poster. The problem with this poster is he has a conflict of interest in that he claims to know the family of Collins and takes it upon himself to speak for them. Also, watch out for pm's from him.That and he doesn't know that the heck he is talking about. It's based on passion, which is great when placed correctly. When it's from a position of bias, it's a mess. Criticizing and belittling those with conflicting opinions on Chloe is crazy. Try actually telling us why we're wrong. I'll stick to the opinion that a freshman 5'7" setter will not succeed (success to TX is winning a NC), even with the superior talent she's setting.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 30, 2013 14:55:40 GMT -5
Yellovfan...You do not get called names for supporting a setter playing one year over the other (but HOW BIG OF YOU to support her in 2014 when she might likely be the ONLY setter we have on the roster!) I quoted all the posts as to why I'm calling you names. I've read through your post history to know how negative you are...90% of your posts are all snide, sarcastic, belittling, melodramatic, moronic comments or as you call them "jokes". If people want to read that on a daily basis more power to them. I suggest they block you. I know that unsettles your friend elevationvb because that is one less person that people will read who agree with him about Texas' setting. If he has one less, then he's left with.....wait for it....NO ONE.
Elevationvb...I'm still waiting for the proof that I know the Collins family as you assert in order to discredit my posts.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 30, 2013 15:14:36 GMT -5
Yellovfan...You do not get called names for supporting a setter playing one year over the other (but HOW BIG OF YOU to support her in 2014 when she might likely be the ONLY setter we have on the roster!) I quoted all the posts as to why I'm calling you names. I've read through your post history to know how negative you are...90% of your posts are all snide, sarcastic, belittling, melodramatic, moronic comments or as you call them "jokes". If people want to read that on a daily basis more power to them. I suggest they block you. I know that unsettles your friend elevationvb because that is one less person that people will read who agree with him about Texas' setting. If he has one less, then he's left with.....wait for it....NO ONE. Elevationvb...I'm still waiting for the proof that I know the Collins family as you assert in order to discredit my posts. Someone is going off the deep end over college volleyball.
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Post by tempesthorn on Oct 30, 2013 15:17:24 GMT -5
I think Chloe is a great setter deserving of her playing time because she runs the middles and the right sides really well. My opinion is based on the hitting percentages of McCage, Bell, Hattis and Obogu when she has set. I have seen a better connection with all four of these players than they have with Allison, and am exasperated and confused with people that cannot see that is the case. I also like her attack on two which will come along nicely and help offset her deficiencies on the block. I have stated this in prior posts but am accused of being emotional and defensive by people that want to pm their resume. If they can't see what I'm seeing on the court and what the hitting percentages of these four players are when she sets, then I start to wonder what nuances am I missing that cause them to say "she has no connection with the middles". I also began to wonder if the resume is in fact made up or perhaps this person is just upset one of their setters was passed over. I'm not shocked a Badger fan would come on and try to belittle a setter from Texas.
I think Hannah is a great setter who won Texas a National Championship. I think she has a great attitude in her senior season about the incoming freshman, Collins, remembering that the same thing happened to Kocher. Her attitude is something I wish the fanbase on this board would adopt. I also think she's a great blocker. I wish she would run the middle and RS more and I think having Chloe as a competent backup challenges her to strive for better connections with those players. The fact that someone is playing ever so slightly better in practice than her and getting a start nod because of better practice stats, causes some on here to make a joke. I thought the adage was "you play how you practice". I am again exasperated and confused by someone confused that a player's practice stats are warranting playing time. Has this person ever played competitive sports? I am shocked that someone who claims to be a "Texas fan" would come on to a board bitching about how the coach can't recruit or develop players like Hahn at ISU. Does this bitching help that coach close the deal with future recruits who might be reading this board? What is the agenda here?
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