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Post by Phillytom on Dec 27, 2013 10:52:43 GMT -5
An awful lot of handwringing here. Minnesota will be fine because they have talent and they have excellent coaching, pretty simple.
Yes Dixon is a tremendous loss but they're still loaded at middle with Nora, Tapp, De Filice, plus Molly Lohman coming in.
Daly and Wilhite are an awfully nice starting point at outside. Wilhite was just getting used to the college game but showed real flashes of brilliance when I saw her in the first match against PSU. Better conditioning and coaching and she could really arrive on the scene next year.
Probably Schau is the setter next year -- right? And she has all the tools.
Lawmaster, likewise, has all the tools to be really good. Her position usually takes a couple of years to really master and she's had that experience.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Dec 27, 2013 11:23:29 GMT -5
It takes time to develop relationships with club coaches and high school coaches during the recruiting process, Hugh has to do a lot of work to catch up coming from the National team. He does have assistants that can bring him up to speed, but from my experience kids want to meet and get to know the head coach more than the assistants who may even be their position coach. I am not so sure that the kids that Hebert and Bush (mostly Bush) recruited were the kind of players McCutcheon would also recruit, so it takes awhile to get your own kids in place that fit your philosophy and style. Minnesota will be just fine.
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Post by moody on Dec 27, 2013 11:25:43 GMT -5
It takes time to develop relationships with club coaches and high school coaches during the recruiting process, Hugh has to do a lot of work to catch up coming from the National team. He does have assistants that can bring him up to speed, but from my experience kids want to meet and get to know the head coach more than the assistants who may even be their position coach. I am not so sure that the kids that Hebert and Bush (mostly Bush) recruited were the kind of players McCutcheon would also recruit, so it takes awhile to get your own kids in place that fit your philosophy and style. Minnesota will be just fine. I never understand this statement. Just how would Hugh's kids differ from Hebert's kids?
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Post by ugopher on Dec 27, 2013 11:51:30 GMT -5
It takes time to develop relationships with club coaches and high school coaches during the recruiting process, Hugh has to do a lot of work to catch up coming from the National team. He does have assistants that can bring him up to speed, but from my experience kids want to meet and get to know the head coach more than the assistants who may even be their position coach. I am not so sure that the kids that Hebert and Bush (mostly Bush) recruited were the kind of players McCutcheon would also recruit, so it takes awhile to get your own kids in place that fit your philosophy and style. Minnesota will be just fine. I never understand this statement. Just how would Hugh's kids differ from Hebert's kids? Think Kellie and Taylr McNeil. Not sure what Hugh would be looking for but both Kellie and Talyr left after the coaching change.
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Post by moody on Dec 27, 2013 12:08:33 GMT -5
I never understand this statement. Just how would Hugh's kids differ from Hebert's kids? Think Kellie and Taylr McNeil. Not sure what Hugh would be looking for but both Kellie and Talyr left after the coaching change. A unique situation but if Talyr McNeil is not "one of Hugh's kind of player" he will not be very successful as a college coach.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 12:16:25 GMT -5
Hugh was not the coach when Taylr's scholarship was pulled -- or when Kellie left. Or at least he was not the acting coach -- i.e., involved. Besides the fact he has said this, I find it hard to believe he would have taken time off from the NT responsibilities to get involved with the McNeils, while not participating in anything else.
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Post by ugopher on Dec 27, 2013 12:20:19 GMT -5
Hugh was not the coach when Taylr's scholarship was pulled -- or when Kellie left. Or at least he was not the acting coach -- i.e., involved. Besides the fact he has said this, I find it hard to believe he would have taken time off from the NT responsibilities to get involved with the McNeils, while not participating in anything else. I stand corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 12:33:17 GMT -5
I'm not correcting you, so sit down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 13:34:19 GMT -5
Hugh's first recruiting class was this year and according to prepvolleyball was ranked 3rd in the nation. You think that was his class? Laura compiled that class and did all the work. You're kidding yourself if you think Hugh did anything. Me? no, this isn't about me, this is what the media is reporting and the u of m athletic director is stating is fact... I guess i believe prepvolleyball, the star tribune and u of m. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/209695941.html"In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster." "prepvolleyball.com quote on Minnesota's 2013 recruiting class: In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 13:44:29 GMT -5
You think that was his class? Laura compiled that class and did all the work. You're kidding yourself if you think Hugh did anything. Me? no, this isn't about me, this is what the media is reporting and the u of m athletic director is stating is fact... I guess i believe prepvolleyball, the star tribune and u of m. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/209695941.html"In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster." "prepvolleyball.com quote on Minnesota's 2013 recruiting class: In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster Of course it's called 'his' recruiting class. Katie Schau took her first visit to Minnesota before Hugh was hired, I believe. He didn't recruit her. Laura Bush was recruiting then (and still has a large part to do with the process, as most in her position do -- remember when she missed a match this season on the road because she was out recruiting?) Anyway... slightly comparing apples to oranges. The press will not probably say "This is Hugh's class, although Laura was the coach who made contact with these athletes while Hugh was working with the national team" or whatever... but when we're digging deeper into who actually contacted these athletes and got them to commit and sign with Minnesota, Hugh didn't have much to do with this year's freshmen in that regard. It's still 'his class.'
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Post by jsn112 on Dec 27, 2013 13:55:40 GMT -5
You think that was his class? Laura compiled that class and did all the work. You're kidding yourself if you think Hugh did anything. Me? no, this isn't about me, this is what the media is reporting and the u of m athletic director is stating is fact... I guess i believe prepvolleyball, the star tribune and u of m. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/209695941.html"In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster." "prepvolleyball.com quote on Minnesota's 2013 recruiting class: In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster Never mind, Gopherfan beat me to it.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Dec 27, 2013 18:10:33 GMT -5
gopherfan is correct. When you are hired to a new position at a new school, you inherit players that are left over from the last coach. They are your's to coach now, but not "yours" as far as you were the one that evaluated them in HS/club and recruited them and offered them a position on your team; whether as a walk on or a scholarshipped player. Sure there are a few girls like a Tori Dixon or Ashley Wittman that you would have recruited if given the chance, but you also get quite a few that you would not have recruited or selected. It takes a few years to get a whole class that is "all yours". Also it is possible that what Laura Bush liked in a player may be different than what Hugh likes in a player. Having coached at the Olympic level, I bet his list of characteristics of what he wants is different from what she wants. Now he is in charge so she can alert him to possible candidates but usually the head coach makes the final decision as to who they want/offer.
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Post by moody on Dec 27, 2013 18:24:25 GMT -5
Identifying talent for top 10 programs is not hard to do. Recruiting them to your program is where recruiting talents shine. Whether it is Laura or Hugh the top tier list should not be too different.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 19:54:07 GMT -5
Me? no, this isn't about me, this is what the media is reporting and the u of m athletic director is stating is fact... I guess i believe prepvolleyball, the star tribune and u of m. www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/209695941.html"In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster." "prepvolleyball.com quote on Minnesota's 2013 recruiting class: In his first recruiting class, Gophers head coach Hugh McCutcheon adds seven athletes who provide a tremendous combination of athleticism, skill, and history of winning to a team that returns 11 players from the 2012 Elite Eight roster Never mind, Gopherfan beat me to it. Well, I think you guys are forgetting, understandably, that Hugh was always scheduled to take over in 2012 and this went public the END OF 2010, which is unusual. This freshman class knew they would ONLY be playing for HUGH. NOT the interim head coach who was there for half of 2010 and 2011. Also, Hugh was in office last year when this class all signed their letter of intent. Laura might have first reached out to some of these girls (after talking extensivly with Hugh and getting Hugh's approval on who she can reach out to). But Hugh closed the deal while he was in office. This has been Hugh's teams since end of 2010/ early 2011 Regardless, they have some depth and I believe will come on strong by the end of the year. Their setter situation seems to be getting more confusing (with all the transfers) but i think they will be a very solid team.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Dec 27, 2013 21:23:27 GMT -5
Never mind, Gopherfan beat me to it. Well, I think you guys are forgetting, understandably, that Hugh was always scheduled to take over in 2012 and this went public the END OF 2010, which is unusual. This freshman class knew they would ONLY be playing for HUGH. NOT the interim head coach who was there for half of 2010 and 2011. Also, Hugh was in office last year when this class all signed their letter of intent. Laura might have first reached out to some of these girls (after talking extensivly with Hugh and getting Hugh's approval on who she can reach out to). But Hugh closed the deal while he was in office. This has been Hugh's teams since end of 2010/ early 2011 Regardless, they have some depth and I believe will come on strong by the end of the year. Their setter situation seems to be getting more confusing (with all the transfers) but i think they will be a very solid team. A lot of this whose-team-is-it talk depends on definitions (I'd say, and he has said, it wasn't until he actually joined the team after the Olympics) but this is for sure: The Gophers did not "go public" in 2010. McCutcheon was announced in early (February?) 2011 and Hebert didn't even announce his resignation until after the season ended in mid-December 2010.
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