ncca net rule changing?

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www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/women%E2%80%99s-volleyball-rules-committee-recommends-modifying-net

what about the touches inside the attennaes? they don't follow the usav ruleset, do they?

as for the pursuit rule, i don't think most players understand this rule, or maybe i don't. in order to this, the ball has to be outside the antennae going and coming back, right? not just coming back. i'm constantly seeing players pursuing balls that are going out of bounds, but were inside the antennae.

i'd like to see a team run a play using that rule sometime. you know, have a player standing over by the score table.

[vbman100]

Finally, some rule changes.

[springs]

The NCAA does not follow the FIVB/USAV player contact with the net rule.

The NCAA rule (15.2 Contact with the net by a player is not a fault, unless it is made during an action of playing the ball, or it interferes with the play. Playing the ball may include actions in which the player(s) does not actually touch the ball. 15.2.1.2 A player may touch a post, a rope or any object outside the total length of the net provided this contact does not interfere with the play or is not used as a means of support while playing the ball.

Going into last season, the coaches wanted the rule tightened up a little so they wanted "..once a player commits to playing the ball" and "until they transition to the next play". Example - Imagine a middle blocker reading the setter and she sets the ball outside. Middle blocker turns to run to the pin and brushes the net with her shoulder. Before last year, this net may be ignored since the said player was not playing the ball, instead he/she contacted the net while running. This year it was a whistled fault.

In regards to the pursuit rule, the ball must go directly over the antennae or completely outside for it to be a pursuable ball. It comes down to safety and I'm not sure all the coaches are onboard with allowing it.

Oh, and having a player over by the score table once a ball is served would be a positional fault on the receiving team since all players must be on the court at the moment of serve contact

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btw, the usav changes that have been made about net touches and crossing under the net have made the sport impossible to ref. it used to be that you just blew the whistle. now you have to think about it. did she interfere? where was the net touched? i hate it. and no one knows what to do except just let everything go.

congrats on that.

[springs]

The newly adopted centerline rule has been the NCAA women's rule for quite awhile.

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Jan 29, 2014 11:00:39 GMT -5 springs said:

Oh, and having a player over by the score table once a ball is served would be a positional fault on the receiving team since all players must be on the court at the moment of serve contact

sure. but there's nothing to stop her from heading there once the ball is served. hell, for some teams, that's a more likely location for the pass.

[springs]

Sounds like more of a coaching problem then ground rules discussion.

[itsallrelative]

Jan 29, 2014 11:02:38 GMT -5 @fstrump said:

btw, the usav changes that have been made about net touches and crossing under the net have made the sport impossible to ref. it used to be that you just blew the whistle. now you have to think about it. did she interfere? where was the net touched? i hate it. and no one knows what to do except just let everything go.

congrats on that.

to me, the USAV net rule is easier to call...you have to focus on a much smaller area, for a shorter period of time. (then you can immediate shift focus to the Centerline)....

in regards to the centerline changes...most of the violations I used to call on this aren't violations any more. and most of the really dangerous plays are when players are still on the centerline, which isn't going to change.

Just my $ 0.02.

[Semp12]

I've already seen 2 setters run full speed and use the net to propel them back into the court and a hitter contining after they land and pull the net down a good foot. All deemed legal as they did not interfere as per USAV officials.

[joc]

<---Net rule traditionalist. Touch it, it's a violation.

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"...does not interfere with the play ..." is wonderfully vague. seems to me you can call whatever you want.

and how does a bouncing net not interfere with play?

[WI FIB]

Jan 31, 2014 17:17:41 GMT -5 @fstrump said:

"...does not interfere with the play ..." is wonderfully vague. seems to me you can call whatever you want.

and how does a bouncing net not interfere with play?

In USAV they specifically define interfering with play. A bouncing net isn't among those criteria.

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i do not see that. please cite the rule. this definition backs up what i said.

INTERFERING: Any action which will create an advantage against
the opponent team or any action which prevents an opponent from
playing the ball.

[WI FIB]

Jan 31, 2014 18:20:02 GMT -5 @fstrump said:

i do not see that. please cite the rule. this definition backs up what i said.

INTERFERING: Any action which will create an advantage against
the opponent team or any action which prevents an opponent from
playing the ball.

USAV 11.4.4
A player interferes with the opponent’s play by (amongst others):
- touching the top band of the net or the top 80 cm (2’ 7.49”) of the antenna during his/her action of
playing the ball, or
- taking support from the net simultaneously with playing the ball, or
- creating an advantage over the opponent by touching the net, or
- making actions which hinder an opponent’s legitimate attempt to play the ball.

Also, how does a bouncing net prevent an opponent from playing the ball or create an advantage over the opponents?

[n00b]

Jan 31, 2014 19:16:31 GMT -5 WI FIB said:

Jan 31, 2014 18:20:02 GMT -5 @fstrump said:

i do not see that. please cite the rule. this definition backs up what i said.

USAV 11.4.4
A player interferes with the opponent’s play by (amongst others):
- touching the top band of the net or the top 80 cm (2’ 7.49”) of the antenna during his/her action of
playing the ball, or
- taking support from the net simultaneously with playing the ball, or
- creating an advantage over the opponent by touching the net, or
- making actions which hinder an opponent’s legitimate attempt to play the ball.

Also, how does a bouncing net prevent an opponent from playing the ball or create an advantage over the opponents?

Don't ignore the '(amongst others)' note.

A ref can certainly call a violation if the net contact impacts the integrity of the net (i.e. pulls is down while the ball is crossing it). Just causing the net to bounce (and being a distraction), isn't a fault on it's own though.