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Post by vbgirls2 on Feb 6, 2014 15:23:55 GMT -5
volleyballer4life, fully agree with you on every point!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 17:29:49 GMT -5
There is a new thread and article about this on Prepvolleyball.com
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Post by spikeninja on Feb 7, 2014 9:36:27 GMT -5
lonewolf, I just don't see the multi-positional players that you do. IF you are tall you are a middle, if you are shorter you are a back row player. If you are a lefty you are a setter or RS.I see kids get pegged in at a positon based on the need of a particular team (both in HS and club) and they hardly ever change. I would like to see everyone go through the drills for passing regardless of what position you play, everyone should know how to set, hitters should be able to hit across the front all postions and out of the back row as well. You see the court differently, angles.... when you move around and try out other positions. We should do more of this at the lower levels. One of the big reasons I have been a proponent of banning the libero with the exception of 17/18 age divisions. It's only making excessive specialization worse. In fact, I don't even allow a libero at 16U or younger for club. And why are we passing with 3 at 14's?? Does anyone THINK about this game anymore? Or do they just youtube drills and matches from the top names in college who are coaching a completely different caliber of athlete and level of play? Not sure this comment relates to the thread itself, but I agree with the above. Let's not confuse success at high levels, or getting kids scholarships with good training. Rule changes have dumbed the game down so that you don't have to be as skilled, you can just be athletic. If you are athletic, you will be discovered and you will get an offer for something.
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Post by golfn74 on Feb 12, 2014 16:33:12 GMT -5
you can't.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 12, 2014 16:48:57 GMT -5
lonewolf, I just don't see the multi-positional players that you do. IF you are tall you are a middle, if you are shorter you are a back row player. If you are a lefty you are a setter or RS.I see kids get pegged in at a positon based on the need of a particular team (both in HS and club) and they hardly ever change. I would like to see everyone go through the drills for passing regardless of what position you play, everyone should know how to set, hitters should be able to hit across the front all postions and out of the back row as well. You see the court differently, angles.... when you move around and try out other positions. We should do more of this at the lower levels. One of the big reasons I have been a proponent of banning the libero with the exception of 17/18 age divisions. It's only making excessive specialization worse. In fact, I don't even allow a libero at 16U or younger for club. And why are we passing with 3 at 14's?? Does anyone THINK about this game anymore? Or do they just youtube drills and matches from the top names in college who are coaching a completely different caliber of athlete and level of play? Not sure this comment relates to the thread itself, but I agree with the above. Let's not confuse success at high levels, or getting kids scholarships with good training. Rule changes have dumbed the game down so that you don't have to be as skilled, you can just be athletic. If you are athletic, you will be discovered and you will get an offer for something. I'm a little confused at your post. You don't allow a libero for 16s and under? So if you have a girl who isn't a hitter, not skilled for the position or not what she wants to play, she cant play? I do agree that everyone she go through most drills for every position. And why stop banning the position of libero at 17/18s? I just don't get it.
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Post by royhobbs on Feb 12, 2014 17:20:21 GMT -5
The intent appears to be to develop volleyball players, opposed to developing MB's, OH's, and L's. By banning the libero at younger ages, undersized athletes will be forced to learn how to attack or set. By introducing the libero at the 17's level, it allows for specialization at a point that makes sense for recruiting and for the athlete's future of the sport. Physically, these athletes will not change all that much (most of them, anyway). I have been told that there was once a time when there wasn't a libero.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 12, 2014 18:12:06 GMT -5
The intent appears to be to develop volleyball players, opposed to developing MB's, OH's, and L's. By banning the libero at younger ages, undersized athletes will be forced to learn how to attack or set. By introducing the libero at the 17's level, it allows for specialization at a point that makes sense for recruiting and for the athlete's future of the sport. Physically, these athletes will not change all that much (most of them, anyway). I have been told that there was once a time when there wasn't a libero.[/ Let me throw out a scenario: 14 y/o girl. Both parents are short in nature. And at 14, so is she. She is not going to grow over the next few years. It's not in the card.s. So you make her take all the reps in setting and hitting; which I agree she should learn to some extent in hitting, setting yes, but then you don't specialize with her to become a libero or ds. At 17/18, I would think most girls who are hitting at that time and setting, and at least coaches, know where they are heading. A libero she also be there by then. I can see a good, maybe undersized hitter, atheltic , player being able to go from hitter to libero at a college
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 12, 2014 18:13:36 GMT -5
Let me throw out a scenario: 14 y/o girl. Both parents are short in nature. And at 14, so is she. She is not going to grow over the next few years. It's not in the card.s. So you make her take all the reps in setting and hitting; which I agree she should learn to some extent in hitting, setting yes, but then you don't specialize with her to become a libero or ds. At 17/18, I would think most girls who are hitting at that time and setting, and at least coaches, know where they are heading. A libero she also be there by then. I can see a good, maybe undersized hitter, atheltic , player being able to go from hitter to libero at a college Read more: volleytalk.proboards.com/thread/53000/early-recruiting-all-women-hand?page=4&scrollTo=1122493#ixzz2t9Vp58PF
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Post by lonewolf on Feb 12, 2014 23:18:04 GMT -5
lonewolf, I just don't see the multi-positional players that you do. IF you are tall you are a middle, if you are shorter you are a back row player. If you are a lefty you are a setter or RS.I see kids get pegged in at a positon based on the need of a particular team (both in HS and club) and they hardly ever change. I would like to see everyone go through the drills for passing regardless of what position you play, everyone should know how to set, hitters should be able to hit across the front all postions and out of the back row as well. You see the court differently, angles.... when you move around and try out other positions. We should do more of this at the lower levels. As I said above. I'm not saying this doesn't happen. But more players are playing more positions. I've even seen top level clubs playing almost all of their players in their secondary positions at weak tournaments sometimes (e.g. Z did it many years ago). Also, what you see on the court doesn't mean they haven't been training and scrimmaging in other positions as well.
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Post by royhobbs on Feb 13, 2014 9:01:08 GMT -5
Another scenario: A 13 year old gymnast just had a growth spurt and is now 6' tall. Does she stop competing because she will not be a college athlete? Does she only compete in events that are suitable for taller athletes? No. She is 13. She will compete and continue to learn develop in all areas with the understanding that she has a ceiling due to her stature. I see it the same way for undersized volleyball players. They should learn how to play the game first, then specialize later.
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Post by oldman on Feb 13, 2014 14:07:10 GMT -5
Another scenario: A 13 year old gymnast just had a growth spurt and is now 6' tall. Does she stop competing because she will not be a college athlete? Does she only compete in events that are suitable for taller athletes? No. She is 13. She will compete and continue to learn develop in all areas with the understanding that she has a ceiling due to her stature. I see it the same way for undersized volleyball players. They should learn how to play the game first, then specialize later. Can you learn to play the game in practice or only in matches? This is a point I often wondered about as passing on the international team is often blamed on lack of reps at lower levels. Do top prospects not practice passing and digging in practice? What percentage of their time on the court in juniors is spent in practice as opposed to tournaments? What should the percentage be? Do college coaches have their top hitter only attack or do they practice passing and digging also? So many questions so little time.
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Post by spikeninja on Feb 13, 2014 15:27:57 GMT -5
One of the big reasons I have been a proponent of banning the libero with the exception of 17/18 age divisions. It's only making excessive specialization worse. In fact, I don't even allow a libero at 16U or younger for club. And why are we passing with 3 at 14's?? Does anyone THINK about this game anymore? Or do they just youtube drills and matches from the top names in college who are coaching a completely different caliber of athlete and level of play? Not sure this comment relates to the thread itself, but I agree with the above. Let's not confuse success at high levels, or getting kids scholarships with good training. Rule changes have dumbed the game down so that you don't have to be as skilled, you can just be athletic. If you are athletic, you will be discovered and you will get an offer for something. I'm a little confused at your post. You don't allow a libero for 16s and under? So if you have a girl who isn't a hitter, not skilled for the position or not what she wants to play, she cant play? I do agree that everyone she go through most drills for every position. And why stop banning the position of libero at 17/18s? I just don't get it. No....use libero at 17 and 18. Prior to don't have one at all OR use another player like a backup setter or 3rd OH. But I definitely never have a player on the roster to do just libero. At an age that young, its overspecializing in my opinion. Of course, I let my middles pass in practice because they have to do that in college. But that's just my opinion. If a girl can't hit, or doesn't possess the ability to play another position and can only do libero, I simply don't have her on the team. I don't believe in adding players to take people's money. I select teams with a system and a position in mind. Again, at the younger age groups.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Feb 13, 2014 18:56:38 GMT -5
Yes spikeninja I stand corrected on starting libero at 17/18, I meant until 17/18.
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Post by FCAvb on Feb 13, 2014 23:54:17 GMT -5
If a girl can't hit, or doesn't possess the ability to play another position and can only do libero, I simply don't have her on the team. I don't believe in adding players to take people's money. I select teams with a system and a position in mind. Again, at the younger age groups. I'm sorry to have to say this, spikeninja, but I'm glad you don't coach for my club. "At the younger age groups", what is the #1 skill to be learned? Passing. What is the #1 skillset of a libero? Passing. IMHO, "if a girl can't hit...and can only do libero" at that age, I absolutely DO have her on my team. I can teach everything else, but if she's a good enough passer -- in your words, if she "can only do libero" -- she's good to go. Why in the world would you turn a kid away, at a young age, that can pass? They are GOLD "at the younger age groups". I also find it very interesting that you pooh-pooh specialization at the younger ages, yet you "select teams with a...position in mind...at the younger age groups". That seems contradictory to me. And I personally do not select players for my younger teams "with a system...in mind". In fact, pretty much every season I regularly modify my "system" throughout the season as these young players learn and progress.
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Post by Vballin on Feb 13, 2014 23:58:22 GMT -5
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