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Post by FOBRA on Apr 3, 2014 16:10:57 GMT -5
The PAC-12 network is showing all three matches today from Merle Norman. USC/LMU is on now, UCLA/LMU is up after and then it closes out with USC/UCLA.
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Post by vballmom1 on Apr 3, 2014 16:56:49 GMT -5
Is USC the only courts with accessibility for pac-12 network?
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Post by Ralph Kramden on Apr 3, 2014 21:06:19 GMT -5
I love sand vb, but it sure seemed to me that the level of play was quite low. I also thought that the coverage made the matches seem very boring.
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Post by GoUCLA on Apr 3, 2014 21:45:52 GMT -5
I love sand vb, but it sure seemed to me that the level of play was quite low. I also thought that the coverage made the matches seem very boring. Well, right now many teams can't match the top 3-4 teams. It will be a sweep for most teams facing those teams. |
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Post by johnbar on Apr 4, 2014 2:28:56 GMT -5
Having half the court in shade, half in sun made for difficult video (I tuned in late). Of course it was all shade a little later.
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Post by cardcounter on Apr 4, 2014 6:29:06 GMT -5
I taped the matches and watched bits and pieces after work. I watched some of the Frager/Dykstra match against LMU. Frager (who I am an indoor fan) could not pass the ball. It was almost embarrassing.
As a volleyball fan I want the sport to be successful and popular. I also have to be honest. The level of play for many teams is so low TV exposure at this stage of the sport might actually hurt more than help. I can't imagine anyone other than family and friends getting into watching an entire match on TV.
I congratulate the Pac-12 network for televising a sport with questionable fanbase. The ratings have to be dismal on this type of programming.
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Post by pnw_mark on Apr 4, 2014 8:38:18 GMT -5
Did the PAC-12 networks talk at all about which players are crossover players and which are sand only?
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Post by FOBRA on Apr 4, 2014 10:22:49 GMT -5
I taped the matches and watched bits and pieces after work. I watched some of the Frager/Dykstra match against LMU. Frager (who I am an indoor fan) could not pass the ball. It was almost embarrassing. Frager did about as well as you could expect a 6'5" middle playing competitive sand for a few weeks to do. It was definitely a mistake for PAC12 to concentrate so much coverage on them when Drolson/Inouye were playing at least a more entertaining brand of volleyball on the #5s. I think trying to cover multiple courts (especially 3 at a time) is not very good for the network. They may want to try blocking the flights off as 2/4 and then 1/3/5 or something like that so they don't have to choose between the two lower flights to start off a meet. In general, the quality of play will continue up over the next two years so I think that's a problem that should eventually resolve itself. Also, Merle Norman apparently doesn't have camera wells that shoot from the side, so the majority of the footage is from a long endline view. I don't mind that angle but they didn't have much else to break up the monotony. |
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Post by kokyu on Apr 4, 2014 17:18:52 GMT -5
The level of play's quite dismal but that's to be expected for indoor players who only practice a couple days a week for a couple months a year on sand. Pac 12 shouldn't be televising ANY of this, it can only hurt the growth of the sport. They should be airing more of mens vball instead who so far is getting less than a third of the coverage the womens indoor has.
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Post by crawdaddy on Apr 4, 2014 20:13:42 GMT -5
The level of play's quite dismal but that's to be expected for indoor players who only practice a couple days a week for a couple months a year on sand. Pac 12 shouldn't be televising ANY of this, it can only hurt the growth of the sport. They should be airing more of mens vball instead who so far is getting less than a third of the coverage the womens indoor has. Agree with this. The only matches worth watching right now are when the top pairs from the 3-4 best programs play each other. The teams winning the 14U AAU tournaments at Hermosa could beat some of these college teams right now. This will all change over time - but that's the way it is right now. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 4, 2014 20:46:52 GMT -5
I taped the matches and watched bits and pieces after work. I watched some of the Frager/Dykstra match against LMU. Frager (who I am an indoor fan) could not pass the ball. It was almost embarrassing. As a volleyball fan I want the sport to be successful and popular. I also have to be honest. The level of play for many teams is so low TV exposure at this stage of the sport might actually hurt more than help. I can't imagine anyone other than family and friends getting into watching an entire match on TV. I congratulate the Pac-12 network for televising a sport with questionable fanbase. The ratings have to be dismal on this type of programming. Whatever indoor skills Frager possesses do not translate to the sand. Although looking at the UCLA sand roster, it would appear there are some injuries that have limited Stein's options, forcing him to throw her to the wolves out on the court. As for TV coverage, I guess I'm more of a "any exposure is good exposure" type. Sure, there was some real slop being played out there yesterday, but getting collegiate sand on TV is a good thing overall, I think. And as someone else mentioned, the quality of play is only going to get better. UCLA, for example, has some seriously good players coming the next two seasons - the MacNamara twins, Muno, and a 2016 who hasn't announced her commitment yet - but might be better than any of the others. Ratings, enh. Pac 12 Network is built around football and basketball. They don't expect much from Olympic sports, and are generally just happy to have a sport like sand VB to fill in programming. |
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Post by kokyu on Apr 5, 2014 2:31:09 GMT -5
It's good marketing for people who are paid to teach sand to girls who after seeing these matches are fooled into thinking this is "collegiate level" that they can take on themselves. It's utterly embarrassing and "awful exposure is awful exposure" for any real beach player or fan to watch. I've played with D2 girls who grew up on the beach and can easily sweep these "D1" girls off the court. Until it's taken seriously where players like Bria Russ and Sara Hughes are the standard average not the exception then it shouldn't be on TV at all.
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Post by downtheline on Apr 5, 2014 3:17:16 GMT -5
It's good marketing for people who are paid to teach sand to girls who after seeing these matches are fooled into thinking this is "collegiate level" that they can take on themselves. It's utterly embarrassing and "awful exposure is awful exposure" for any real beach player or fan to watch. I've played with D2 girls who grew up on the beach and can easily sweep these "D1" girls off the court. Until it's taken seriously where players like Bria Russ and Sara Hughes are the standard average not the exception then it shouldn't be on TV at all. Bria and Sara are going to be exceptions and well above the average no matter how many years this sport is being played. Bria is flat out an exceptional athlete, ala Lane Carico. She is fun to watch, explosive I'd say. Sara's been bumping the volleyball since she was 3. Started serious beach training at 8, excelled at indoor vb, basketball, track & field & soccer. These players are superior athletes not your soon to be average player types no matter who is doing the training or how long. Agreed on one thing, they should have televised the Pepperdine v USC matches as all five were quality "aaa" level play. |
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Post by gobruins on Apr 5, 2014 4:24:52 GMT -5
The level of play's quite dismal but that's to be expected for indoor players who only practice a couple days a week for a couple months a year on sand. Pac 12 shouldn't be televising ANY of this, it can only hurt the growth of the sport. They should be airing more of mens vball instead who so far is getting less than a third of the coverage the womens indoor has. The Pac-12 has 3 schools that play Men's VB, and 12 schools that play Women's VB. So, Men's VB "getting less than a third of the coverage" of Women's VB is not unexpected, or unreasonable. |
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Post by kokyu on Apr 5, 2014 5:04:15 GMT -5
Agreed on one thing, they should have televised the Pepperdine v USC matches as all five were quality "aaa" level play. Oh did I? |
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