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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 13, 2014 15:29:41 GMT -5
I got no horse in this race. I thought that the VCU administration treated James Finley in a very shabby manner but I don't know the new coach.
The only real information we get on here is from people who are in the know, whether they are disgruntled anything or not is really a peripheral discussion, I think we all can read between the lines when the commentary veers off towards vindictiveness, and I am pretty confident in the sophistication with the people on here to correct the vindictiveness. Coaches have friends, players have parents and friends so it is impossible to be completely unbiased in the way the information is presented.
The thing we need to watch is the way we are biased ourselves. Many times we assume all players are hard working, self sacrificing, long suffering, innocent and filled with good intentions; in the very same way the coaches are professional, prescient, sensitive, parental, and fair. Well, I know players and coaches, and the vast number of them are far from perfect and are prone to be human.
I think understanding that fact will take us all a long way towards not jumping to conclusions and siding with one side or the other. My usual MO is to look at the numbers: how many players leave after a new regime takes over.
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Post by tommyboy on Jul 13, 2014 15:44:49 GMT -5
I was only responding to the original question that guru asked, "Why does this topic not get the attention of other posts?" Simply put, there's no fire, only smoke as far as most posters are concerned. The players and coaches know what happened and will have to live with that, but nothing said on here will cause a major investigation to take place.
One thing is certain, no one likes the AD and how he dealt with the Finley. Glad he's doing well up in Seattle.
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Post by hittherock on Jul 13, 2014 16:04:53 GMT -5
agree about the AD, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, then heard what he was doing to finley...not talking to him, purposefully avoiding him at public events, not going to volleyball games due to finley but going to all other sports matches/games etc. not a fan
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Post by ramfan2014 on Dec 14, 2014 21:17:02 GMT -5
As a Ram fan that has followed the program since 2005 I believe there is an underlying problem. With the dismissal of Finley the Rams Loss Martina Samadan a 6'5 Middle that finished 4th in the country in Blocks for VCU in 2012 and was AVCA Northeast Region Freshman of the year. They were primed to win the A-10 before the coaching change and Samadan departure. Finley was 25-6 in 2012 and the team carried a 3.2 G.P.A. Rogers was brought in to win Championships and take the team to the Next Level per AD. They still didn't win a championship now you lose at least 4 players and none of them Seniors? Tough crowd, One year and you did not win a championship and its all your fault. I think at least a second year is in order before anyone should be declaring that Coach Rodgers is a failure. But that is just my opinion. Year 2 is in the books Rogers led the Rams to more losses than the 2 previous seasons COMBINED, she won in 2013 with Finley's athletes. Cleaned house and now is in rebuilding? That is not what we were promised, she was brought in to win championships and compete at the National Level. Brady Hoke won at Michigan his first year with Rich Rodriguez's players)and then went backwards until 2014 and got canned. I can wish the seniors well. Sykes and Aragao won individual awards but should have left with 2 A10 Championships.
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Post by vballguru1 on Dec 14, 2014 21:40:43 GMT -5
Tough crowd, One year and you did not win a championship and its all your fault. I think at least a second year is in order before anyone should be declaring that Coach Rodgers is a failure. But that is just my opinion. Year 2 is in the books Rogers led the Rams to more losses than the 2 previous seasons COMBINED, she won in 2013 with Finley's athletes. Cleaned house and now is in rebuilding? That is not what we were promised, she was brought in to win championships and compete at the National Level. Brady Hoke won at Michigan his first year with Rich Rodriguez's players)and then went backwards until 2014 and got canned. I can wish the seniors well. Sykes and Aragao won individual awards but should have left with 2 A10 Championships. Year two and no Championships, lets give her one more!!! Last year it was her first year. This year I heard "we are not going to use our youth as an excuse and then heard in every interview that we are young. Still no championships and that's why you were brought Rogers here. BS......... Hopefully she wont get rid of so many players and we can have a spring season of competition. Replacing Sykes and Aragao will not be easy. Hopefully we wont have another 2 years of combined losses in 2015. By the way Brady Hoke would have won the A10 with the 2013 team. IMO
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Post by nakedcrayon on Dec 14, 2014 21:46:57 GMT -5
Brady Hoke would have had a bit of difficulty IMO. Ball is different color and shape.
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Post by postitagain2 on Dec 14, 2014 22:17:11 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of the AD and hated what happened to Finley. Then Rodgers ran all those players off last year and so I'm not a fan of her at this point. All that said, i think VCU had a better season than I thought they would have. They had two good seniors, so maybe it was a great job of leadership on their part. I follow the A-10, but not VCU too closely. This is a time-will-tell for me. We'll see how Rodgers does next year with basically all her recruits. Dayton only loses two seniors and both have stellar replacements in the wings. Saint Louis has the best recruiting classes in the conference the last 3 years. That's got to begin to pay dividends. And Geroge Washington had in my opinion the best player this year even if the coaches honored Dayton's Alaina Turner with the MVP. i don't see VCU gaining any headway into winning championships any time soon.
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Post by oldman on Dec 15, 2014 10:05:23 GMT -5
Tough crowd, One year and you did not win a championship and its all your fault. I think at least a second year is in order before anyone should be declaring that Coach Rodgers is a failure. But that is just my opinion. Year 2 is in the books Rogers led the Rams to more losses than the 2 previous seasons COMBINED, she won in 2013 with Finley's athletes. Cleaned house and now is in rebuilding? That is not what we were promised, she was brought in to win championships and compete at the National Level. Brady Hoke won at Michigan his first year with Rich Rodriguez's players)and then went backwards until 2014 and got canned. I can wish the seniors well. Sykes and Aragao won individual awards but should have left with 2 A10 Championships. Really, you quote me from 9 months ago. I did not follow VCU so I don't really have opinion but I do know that one year is not enough to judge a coach on. Maybe 2 is. Since volleyball recruits almost 2 years ahead of matriculating (look it up) maybe 2 is not enough. It's a free world so go ahead and hate on the coach.
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Post by hittherock on Dec 28, 2014 14:44:41 GMT -5
heard 2 freshman from this years team and rogers recruits will not be back next year, already off the roster
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Post by tommyboy on Dec 28, 2014 15:42:27 GMT -5
Looks like the hitters are still there, maybe a couple of the non-scholarship kids are leaving.
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Post by hittherock on Feb 22, 2015 13:44:30 GMT -5
2 other players that are freshman left this year and 1 former Finley player was let go...i know we had talked about when Rodgers would be ridding herself of other Finley players.
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Post by bigfan on Feb 22, 2015 16:36:42 GMT -5
agree about the AD, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, then heard what he was doing to finley...not talking to him, purposefully avoiding him at public events, not going to volleyball games due to finley but going to all other sports matches/games etc. not a fan How do children get jobs as AD's?
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Post by volleytalker16 on Feb 23, 2015 1:39:32 GMT -5
agree about the AD, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, then heard what he was doing to finley...not talking to him, purposefully avoiding him at public events, not going to volleyball games due to finley but going to all other sports matches/games etc. not a fan How do children get jobs as AD's? They kissed the right butt. Sad.
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Post by vbprisoner on Feb 23, 2015 10:02:19 GMT -5
agree about the AD, gave him the benefit of the doubt in the beginning, then heard what he was doing to finley...not talking to him, purposefully avoiding him at public events, not going to volleyball games due to finley but going to all other sports matches/games etc. not a fan How do children get jobs as AD's? Same way they get GM jobs in MLB. They may have incredible accounting and finance thinking/background, but they lack social and people experience.
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Post by braveheart on Feb 23, 2015 15:32:33 GMT -5
Year 2 is in the books Rogers led the Rams to more losses than the 2 previous seasons COMBINED, she won in 2013 with Finley's athletes. Cleaned house and now is in rebuilding? That is not what we were promised, she was brought in to win championships and compete at the National Level. Brady Hoke won at Michigan his first year with Rich Rodriguez's players)and then went backwards until 2014 and got canned. I can wish the seniors well. Sykes and Aragao won individual awards but should have left with 2 A10 Championships. Year two and no Championships, lets give her one more!!! Last year it was her first year. This year I heard "we are not going to use our youth as an excuse and then heard in every interview that we are young. Still no championships and that's why you were brought Rogers here. BS......... Hopefully she wont get rid of so many players and we can have a spring season of competition. Replacing Sykes and Aragao will not be easy. Hopefully we wont have another 2 years of combined losses in 2015. By the way Brady Hoke would have won the A10 with the 2013 team. IMO Didn't the stud setter get hurt in 2013? Plus you had Duquesne having their best team and year in forever.
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