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Post by klazk on May 14, 2014 20:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by parkplace on May 15, 2014 20:44:16 GMT -5
klazk You are correct. In March, a press release from USAV said, “Due to logistics, USAV cannot hold playoffs for the FIVB Grand Slams following Shanghai. At that point, the U.S. team that is fourth in points will be entered. Teams can gain points at FIVB Open and NORCECA Circuit tournaments.” Apparently, they have rearranged their logistics. In addition, you mention that yesterday’s Grand Slam qualifier was for Moscow, Berlin and Stavanger. You were correct in that as I read it also, but as of today, the press release now reads only Moscow and Berlin. Stavanger has been dropped from that sentence. What do you make of it? Have an opinion?
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Post by guest2 on May 16, 2014 9:19:52 GMT -5
Why so few teams? Surely there must be more than 4 US teams that want to playoff for the Grand Slam places?
Avery and Casey give a beating to Todd/Theo (who now replace Foplik as the top team most likely to break up first)
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Post by klazk on May 16, 2014 13:22:33 GMT -5
klazk You are correct. In March, a press release from USAV said, “Due to logistics, USAV cannot hold playoffs for the FIVB Grand Slams following Shanghai. At that point, the U.S. team that is fourth in points will be entered. Teams can gain points at FIVB Open and NORCECA Circuit tournaments.” Apparently, they have rearranged their logistics. In addition, you mention that yesterday’s Grand Slam qualifier was for Moscow, Berlin and Stavanger. You were correct in that as I read it also, but as of today, the press release now reads only Moscow and Berlin. Stavanger has been dropped from that sentence. What do you make of it? Have an opinion? I really don't. In general I don't like when the rules change, but I have no idea what the discussions were (if any) between USAV and the players. Rogers/Brunner are the losers in this scenario as they would have been the #4 men's team but now have to sit back and watch Hyden/Bourne play in the slams (where they could hypothetically pass Rogers/Brunner in points). |
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Post by parkplace on May 18, 2014 7:40:56 GMT -5
I see your point, Klazk. As long as the players personally involved are aware, and approve, of any “game changes” then it will have to be okay with those reading the press releases even if statements change overnight. Personally, I like when journalists announce that there is a misstatement or detail change instead of rewriting copy as if it never happened. I stop reading any of it when these changes start happening- credibility.
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Post by klazk on May 23, 2014 12:28:52 GMT -5
Moscow main draw versus qualifier teams published on FIVB site as it is not less than 21 days until this event. Rogers/Brunner showing up as in the qualifier currently. I guess USAV will have to somehow withdraw that team from the system to substitute Bourne/Hyden?
And Carico/Hochevar got a wildcard, so they lose the US qualifier and yet are in the main draw while Pavlik/Fopma are in the qualifier.
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Post by wang pu on May 23, 2014 13:39:14 GMT -5
Moscow main draw versus qualifier teams published on FIVB site as it is not less than 21 days until this event. Rogers/Brunner showing up as in the qualifier currently. I guess USAV will have to somehow withdraw that team from the system to substitute Bourne/Hyden? And Carico/Hochevar got a wildcard, so they lose the US qualifier and yet are in the main draw while Pavlik/Fopma are in the qualifier. What is the consensus on Hochevar? Has she reached her ceiling or has room for improvement? |
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Post by parkplace on May 24, 2014 11:25:22 GMT -5
Moscow main draw versus qualifier teams published on FIVB site as it is not less than 21 days until this event. Rogers/Brunner showing up as in the qualifier currently. I guess USAV will have to somehow withdraw that team from the system to substitute Bourne/Hyden? And Carico/Hochevar got a wildcard, so they lose the US qualifier and yet are in the main draw while Pavlik/Fopma are in the qualifier. It seems in the past that FIVB doesn’t make changes on the website until all the teams roll in and onsite registrations are confirmed. Surely they will adjust the two women’s teams in light of US qualifier results? I did a quick search of the FIVB rules and a Google search of “wild card determination” and I can’t find any criteria for selection. Anyone have any info on that? One more thing- why haven’t we heard much about Ary Graca and his cronyism? Is his corruptness just accusation or was it founded? I haven’t seem much news on this. Anybody? |
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Post by klazk on May 24, 2014 12:08:36 GMT -5
I doubt it changes. One wildcard has to be home country. The other wildcard is at FIVB discretion (national federations have to apply of team's behalf). A player can only receive 2 wildcards a year.
Being the 4th US team only guarantees you a spot in the qualifier, so it isn't like Pavlik/Fopma are in a worse position than they would have been anyway.
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Post by parkplace on May 24, 2014 17:07:35 GMT -5
Sometimes a loser wins. Thanks for the info on the WC.
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