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Post by itsallrelative on Jun 29, 2014 12:00:04 GMT -5
Nobody hires coaches with the hope or expectation that they leave after 1 to 2 years. That is not good management. Whether they leave on their own or are asked to leave, a head coach and his/her team will not benefit from a revolving door of assistants. in this age of early recruiting, i would think this instability would be a disadvantage.... i get that miller kniffin, and conner all left to run their own programs....its just an interesting dynamic. |
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jun 29, 2014 13:33:43 GMT -5
I can see where a change of an assistant coach can actually be beneficial to the development of players already in a program. Those players now have the benefit of the coaching knowledge and instruction of not just one individual assistant, but also another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 14:54:38 GMT -5
I can see where a change of an assistant coach can actually be beneficial to the development of players already in a program. Those players now have the benefit of the coaching knowledge and instruction of not just one individual assistant, but also another. So maybe athletics directors should fire and hire head coaches each year since new coaches with various ideas seems to be advantageous. Ask Hambly if he thinks hiring assistants every 10-12 months is a good thing for his Illini. |
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Post by Pasquale on Jun 29, 2014 16:15:52 GMT -5
I can see where a change of an assistant coach can actually be beneficial to the development of players already in a program. Those players now have the benefit of the coaching knowledge and instruction of not just one individual assistant, but also another. So maybe athletics directors should fire and hire head coaches each year since new coaches with various ideas seems to be advantageous. Ask Hambly if he thinks hiring assistants every 10-12 months is a good thing for his Illini. Hambly has hired top talent knowing his assistants have been preparing to become Division I coaches. He knows what he's doing. |
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jun 29, 2014 16:25:01 GMT -5
I think if you asked Hambly about his assistants moving up to head coaching jobs, he would say that he is happy for his assistants. Having this 'problem' for a head coach in any sport, speaks well of the head coach, the assistants that were hired, and most of all the quality of the program.
By the way, Coach Kniffin (the former Illini assistant who is now the head coach of the UC-Irvine men's team where his team won a national championship in Kniffin's first year as head coach) flew back to Illinois from California to be with the Illini for their first two NCAA games at Huff last fall. Kind of makes one think that he was really disenchanted with his time at Illinois doesn't it? One of his assistants at UC-Irvine during his championship first season was Michelle Bartsch, the former Illini.
As far as Coach Conners is concerned, I believe an observer might better question why he left his assistant position at Nebraska to take an assistant position at Illinois than to question why he would leave his assistant coaching position at Illinois to become the head women's coach at UC-Davis and return to his home state.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jun 29, 2014 17:09:21 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that Coach Miller who left his assistant position at Illinois to become the head coach of St. Louis U, also attended the first rounds of the NCAA tournament last fall at the U of I. He was visiting with his wife and baby. Anyone who has been around Illinois volleyball, the Hamblys and their two daughters, the Miller family, or the Conners family with their two young sons knows that Illinois volleyball truly is a family affair. I know many programs tout the family aspect of their volleyball program, Illinois truly lives it.
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Post by rocwest on Jun 29, 2014 23:07:17 GMT -5
Duh...let's see...remain an assistant coach or run my own Div. 1 program which beat Cal and Hawaii last season. Gotta take some time to think this over...
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Post by volleytology on Jun 30, 2014 6:16:16 GMT -5
Most "fans" on this board WAY over-value the importance or impact asst coaches have on collegiate volleyball teams.
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Post by gobruins on Jun 30, 2014 7:21:01 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that Coach Miller who left his assistant position at Illinois to become the head coach of St. Louis U, also attended the first rounds of the NCAA tournament last spring at the U of I. He was visiting with his wife and baby. Anyone who has been around Illinois volleyball, the Hamblys and their two daughters, the Miller family, or the Conners family with their two young sons knows that Illinois volleyball truly is a family affair. I know many programs tout the family aspect of their volleyball program, Illinois truly lives it. The NCAA is having a women's volleyball tournament in the spring? |
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Post by david on Jun 30, 2014 7:53:51 GMT -5
Google "coaching tree" and you'll see it's great coaches that have this "problem". It is a real advantage in recruiting, in that it says:
1. The Head Coach has an eye for coaching talent;
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2. The program can attract head coach talent for AC positions;
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3. The Head Coach is well established
I haven't read anything, ever, about how an AC change created problems, but you hear about Head Coach change problems all the time. Having a program and HC that serves as the incubator for new HCs does two other things:
1. Assures an ongoing supply of good ACs
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2. Creates opportunity for more players to become ACs and HCs.
Russ Rose also has a pretty good coaching tree, including former players.
As for recruiting, my impression is that Hambly is personally involved in this area, so any switch in AC won't hurt this- a new AC will perhaps bring in more contacts but Hambly is already pretty dialed in to the YNT program. And when you're landing players out of that pipeline, you're pretty much assured top rankings, if not a top finish in the toughest volleyball conference in the country.
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Post by bkedane on Jun 30, 2014 13:39:19 GMT -5
Most "fans" on this board WAY over-value the importance or impact asst coaches have on collegiate volleyball teams. Interesting. My perception is that that most people considerably undervalue the importance of assistant coaches. At the programs with which I'm most familiar, assistants are in some cases the primary trainers and in other cases assistants do the primary scouting work. In every case assistants are heavily involved with all recruiting. Things may be different at different levels of play --- I'm familiar mostly with B1G and Pac12 programs. In these conferences, however, training and scouting and recruiting are all important and have a great impact on results. I think people undervalue this work and the efforts of those doing it. In what way do you think assistants' contributions are overvalued by fans? |
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Post by sevb on Jun 30, 2014 14:44:11 GMT -5
Most "fans" on this board WAY over-value the importance or impact asst coaches have on collegiate volleyball teams. Don't tell any assistant coaches that! |
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Post by volleytology on Jun 30, 2014 14:59:40 GMT -5
Most "fans" on this board WAY over-value the importance or impact asst coaches have on collegiate volleyball teams. Interesting. My perception is that that most people considerably undervalue the importance of assistant coaches. At the programs with which I'm most familiar, assistants are in some cases the primary trainers and in other cases assistants do the primary scouting work. In every case assistants are heavily involved with all recruiting. Things may be different at different levels of play --- I'm familiar mostly with B1G and Pac12 programs. In these conferences, however, training and scouting and recruiting are all important and have a great impact on results. I think people undervalue this work and the efforts of those doing it. In what way do you think assistants' contributions are overvalued by fans? Any successful program has a head coach who runs the show; asst's are simply an extension of his or her philosophies and training styles. Asst's do the recruiting grunt work, but do not close any deals. Why do programs remain successful as asst's come and go, because the person in charge is in charge. |
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Post by volleytology on Jun 30, 2014 15:01:25 GMT -5
Most "fans" on this board WAY over-value the importance or impact asst coaches have on collegiate volleyball teams. Interesting. My perception is that that most people considerably undervalue the importance of assistant coaches. At the programs with which I'm most familiar, assistants are in some cases the primary trainers and in other cases assistants do the primary scouting work. In every case assistants are heavily involved with all recruiting. Things may be different at different levels of play --- I'm familiar mostly with B1G and Pac12 programs. In these conferences, however, training and scouting and recruiting are all important and have a great impact on results. I think people undervalue this work and the efforts of those doing it. In what way do you think assistants' contributions are overvalued by fans? They may undervalue the actual grunt work of asst's but they overvalue the impact or importance of it as it relates to the overall success of the program |
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 30, 2014 15:06:21 GMT -5
Interesting. My perception is that that most people considerably undervalue the importance of assistant coaches. At the programs with which I'm most familiar, assistants are in some cases the primary trainers and in other cases assistants do the primary scouting work. In every case assistants are heavily involved with all recruiting. Things may be different at different levels of play --- I'm familiar mostly with B1G and Pac12 programs. In these conferences, however, training and scouting and recruiting are all important and have a great impact on results. I think people undervalue this work and the efforts of those doing it. In what way do you think assistants' contributions are overvalued by fans? They may undervalue the actual grunt work of asst's but they overvalue the impact or importance of it as it relates to the overall success of the program It's different for each program. For example, Salima Rockwell played a major role at both Penn State and Texas mainly because the head coaches trusted them and gave them autonomy so that they can put their imprint on the program. A few years ago we started seeing the moniker of Associate Head Coach being bandied around as more programs began to add that title, partly to reward the hard working assistants, partly to help those assistants find head coaching gigs. The title is now so ubiquitous that the impact of the title may be devalued somewhat. |
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