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Post by volleyballjim on Aug 16, 2014 20:13:58 GMT -5
Watching Adrian Carambula at the Manhattan AVP Live Stream (it was great quality!) made me think: #1 - Why doesn’t he stand as far back as he can when serving. It would keep fewer balls from going out (deep). Currently he was serving virtually ON the service line. #2 – Doesn’t a sky ball ball “allow” either offense player to “take” the ball, thus ending the “picking on” function normally used during ALL other serves?
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Post by guest2 on Aug 16, 2014 22:01:10 GMT -5
It does let either player take it, but unlike a traditional skyball, Adrian's is hard to pass, so if the better hitter takes it, he is passing a hard serve and then hitting on his offside which, with most teams, will mitigate the possible advantage.
Also its sort of disrespectful for one player to take a ball served right at the other player. A lot of teams will still do it, but some won't, even if it might give an advantage
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Post by volleyballjim on Aug 17, 2014 13:56:58 GMT -5
Curious though about serving from the service line RATHER than as far back as possible....No problem getting forward as the ball is in the air plenty of time. Adrian certainly can't be trying to get it "just over" the net as thats too hard to calculate (isn't it?)...Anyway, not sure "how" he misses (% left, right, back), but if deep is more than 33%, MOVE BACK!
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Post by klazk on Aug 18, 2014 7:37:05 GMT -5
The times I've seen him in Cincinnati over the past couple of years, he misses short a lot more than he misses long.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 18, 2014 7:42:32 GMT -5
Best tournament for he and Slick this year. It looks like those two have remembered how to play with each other.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 18, 2014 9:09:23 GMT -5
Does Dana Camacho tear up every time Adrian does well on the AVP?
They are an odd team, Stafford and Adrian, but they have had some good finishes. I wonder if Jennings regrets dumping Stafford now
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 18, 2014 9:35:55 GMT -5
Does Dana Camacho tear up every time Adrian does well on the AVP? They are an odd team, Stafford and Adrian, but they have had some good finishes. I wonder if Jennings regrets dumping Stafford now I'd put Casebeer just a notch higher than Slick in my eyes. Both are a bit inconsistent attacking, but I think Casebeer is a better all-around player, and to go out on a limb, I think he could make the transition to a back court player. It's amazing, I was watching the Adrian/Slick vs. Tri/Hyden match, and Tri & John would not even serve Adrian. You'd think Andrian's game would suffer in the deeper sands.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 18, 2014 9:52:46 GMT -5
Does Dana Camacho tear up every time Adrian does well on the AVP? They are an odd team, Stafford and Adrian, but they have had some good finishes. I wonder if Jennings regrets dumping Stafford now I'd put Casebeer just a notch higher than Slick in my eyes. Both are a bit inconsistent attacking, but I think Casebeer is a better all-around player, and to go out on a limb, I think he could make the transition to a back court player. It's amazing, I was watching the Adrian/Slick vs. Tri/Hyden match, and Tri & John would not even serve Adrian. You'd think Andrian's game would suffer in the deeper sands. I think of it just the opposite, that deep sand benefits a guy like Adrian. The blockers are a little lower and the defenders a little slower. Since Adrian's game is so predicated on placement, he has more room to make his shots. Also a deep natural beach with wind, puts a premium on ball control, which is really his game. I havent been too impressed with Casebeer. I am not exactly a Stafford fan either, but I have seen him really dominate a few matches. I did find it interesting that, with the exception of Manhattan, Stafford actually had a better AVP year than Casey last year (yes thats the mother of all buts)
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 18, 2014 10:10:15 GMT -5
I'd put Casebeer just a notch higher than Slick in my eyes. Both are a bit inconsistent attacking, but I think Casebeer is a better all-around player, and to go out on a limb, I think he could make the transition to a back court player. It's amazing, I was watching the Adrian/Slick vs. Tri/Hyden match, and Tri & John would not even serve Adrian. You'd think Andrian's game would suffer in the deeper sands. I think of it just the opposite, that deep sand benefits a guy like Adrian. The blockers are a little lower and the defenders a little slower. Since Adrian's game is so predicated on placement, he has more room to make his shots. Also a deep natural beach with wind, puts a premium on ball control, which is really his game. I havent been too impressed with Casebeer. I am not exactly a Stafford fan either, but I have seen him really dominate a few matches. I did find it interesting that, with the exception of Manhattan, Stafford actually had a better AVP year than Casey last year (yes thats the mother of all buts) I see what you are saying towards the deep sand, I guess it all averages out in reality because it affects every player. Casebeer v. Slick, I guess I lean towards Jeremy because he is only 25 versus Slick being 29. Also, Slick is listed at 6'8, and Casebeer is 6'5.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 18, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -5
I was thinking about that and recalled an old interview with Jose Loiola where he said he preferred deep sand because everyone could jump on hard packed but only he and a few others could really get up on the deep stuff, so maybe you were right after all.
On a relatively unrelated note, the first time i ever saw Jose play was in Ocean City, MD. That is some of the deepest sand in the country. The AVP had played on it once before in 1987 and didnt come back for six years because the players all complained about it.
The players were really struggling. Sinjin Smith looked 105 years old, Mark Kerins and Bruk Vandewghe looked like they were hitting on their tippie toes. Then there was Jose. He hit a ball in warm ups that rivalled anything I had seen indoors. It must have landed two feet on the other side of the net. I've seen Jason Ring, Rego, a couple of the other all time great jumpers, but Loiola in that deep sand really stands out.
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Post by donnyb on Aug 18, 2014 12:18:23 GMT -5
It looked like Adrian and slick was not happy with each other a few times.
If you watch after the match they lost to Rogers they had words and slick kinda just walked away a little upset.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 18, 2014 12:54:12 GMT -5
It looked like Adrian and slick was not happy with each other a few times. If you watch after the match they lost to Rogers they had words and slick kinda just walked away a little upset. Carambula is not an easy personality to play with. As for Slick/Casebeer...Jeremy has gotten better than I ever thought he would, but there's half a dozen Casebeer's out there - good, but undersized (6'4/6'5") blockers (note: I don't include Bourne in that group, he's an outlier due to his combo of skill/athleticism). Slick is still inconsistent, but he's a legit 6'8" and athletic as hell - I've seen him take over matches against some good teams, which I don't think Casebeer can do. I've also witnessed Slick have a number of "Ah, Jeez, Stafford, really?" moments, which speaks to consistency. But right now I gotta go with Slick over Casebeer (or pretty much any big outside of the top four-five guys). Casebeer does have the advantage of youth, but there are four even younger guys coming up who are bigger and have the physical ability to be better players (Hughes, Page, Kalmbach, Olsen - of course, whether any or all of them make some noise on tour will depend on their level of commitment and in the case of two of them how long it will take to grow the f&%k up. But the talent is there). IMO, Casebeer's best bet at making a lasting impact is learn how to play behind one of the up and coming giraffes.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 18, 2014 13:57:20 GMT -5
It looked like Adrian and slick was not happy with each other a few times. If you watch after the match they lost to Rogers they had words and slick kinda just walked away a little upset. Carambula is not an easy personality to play with. As for Slick/Casebeer...Jeremy has gotten better than I ever thought he would, but there's half a dozen Casebeer's out there - good, but undersized (6'4/6'5") blockers (note: I don't include Bourne in that group, he's an outlier due to his combo of skill/athleticism). Slick is still inconsistent, but he's a legit 6'8" and athletic as hell - I've seen him take over matches against some good teams, which I don't think Casebeer can do. I've also witnessed Slick have a number of "Ah, Jeez, Stafford, really?" moments, which speaks to consistency. But right now I gotta go with Slick over Casebeer (or pretty much any big outside of the top four-five guys). Casebeer does have the advantage of youth, but there are four even younger guys coming up who are bigger and have the physical ability to be better players (Hughes, Page, Kalmbach, Olsen - of course, whether any or all of them make some noise on tour will depend on their level of commitment and in the case of two of them how long it will take to grow the f&%k up. But the talent is there). IMO, Casebeer's best bet at making a lasting impact is learn how to play behind one of the up and coming giraffes. Ok, I can concede as a blocker right now, Slick has the advantage. To me though, I appreciate Casebeer's game mentality/drive, I also think his ball control aspects of the game increased a ton between last year and this year. I too believe JCs future is behind a blocker, which brings up next year. JC will have a nice stash of points where bringing in a fellow young player if Jennings decides to go another way. Heck, Theo could be looking too. I haven't seen Connor Hughes play since JOs, and haven't Seen Jace Olsen play at all. I know they've played the age FIVBs, do any of the players you mentioned favor Beach over indoor? Page is signed to play indoor, Parker is still at Pep. Did Connor sign to play indoor? What's Jace doing?
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Post by Semp12 on Aug 18, 2014 15:11:01 GMT -5
Theoretically, the less distance you need to worry about, the better your accuracy. Standing as close to the line as he can is definitely easier as he doesn't have to think about pushing it forward as much. Unless he keeps bombing them long time and time again, I can't see moving back would be better.
At the end of the day, it isn't going to be 100% accurate. The wind is going to play a major factor in sending that ball somewhere as well as the spin.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 18, 2014 15:23:27 GMT -5
Theoretically, the less distance you need to worry about, the better your accuracy. Standing as close to the line as he can is definitely easier as he doesn't have to think about pushing it forward as much. Unless he keeps bombing them long time and time again, I can't see moving back would be better. At the end of the day, it isn't going to be 100% accurate. The wind is going to play a major factor in sending that ball somewhere as well as the spin. I think with the wind in your face, being farther back could help because it would give the wind more time to act on the ball if you hit the serve into the wind at an angle, which would presumably eliminate the net worry. I have never understood why people dont just turn sideways to pass his and Dana's skyballs. It makes the movement you need to account for the last minute motion easier and more natural
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