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Post by sIsam on Jan 6, 2004 9:26:34 GMT -5
POL def RUS 3 - 1
25-22
25-17
22-25
25-20
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Post by roy on Jan 6, 2004 13:43:45 GMT -5
POL def RUS 3 - 1 25-22 25-17 22-25 25-20 Wow, huge upset. It doesn't take Russia out of contention yet, but a couple more losses may knock them out. It doesn't help their draw either, as it may put them on the same side as Italy. |
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Post by sIsam on Jan 6, 2004 14:06:42 GMT -5
This certainly is an upset. Also this and Turkey's win over Italy yesterday are proving that the results in ECH were not flukes....
Germany is the other team in that group and they looked very good vs AZE (set 2 and set 3 were sthg like 25-14 or 25-15). Unless Russia pulls it together (and preferably gets Artamonova in their line-up), they will have real problems vs them as well. Russia had very major problems with the strong serving of the Polish today and the match was Poland all the way. With their current playing style and roster (I saw part of RUS vs AZE yesterday and listened to all of RUS ve POL today), their qualifying out of that group is no sure thing...
Turkey plays Bulgaria tomorrow. A Turkish win will put them in semis for sure whereas a win by Bulgaria would make that group very interesting... In the other group it looks like Germany will determine the fate of Russia...
Btw right before the tournament, it was announced that Turkish NT libero, Gulden Kayalar, signed with Eczacibasi which is aiming for the top spot in Champions League...
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Post by Nutter on Jan 7, 2004 22:17:18 GMT -5
Is Karpol still coaching the Russia team? Has he retired yet?
When's the next OG qualifeir? There seems to be more parity in European Volleyball lately than there's ever been. Other teams are definitely catching up.
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Post by sIsam on Jan 8, 2004 1:18:33 GMT -5
Is Karpol still coaching the Russia team? Has he retired yet? When's the next OG qualifeir? There seems to be more parity in European Volleyball lately than there's ever been. Other teams are definitely catching up. Nope Karpol has not retired yet. He is still the GOD over the Russian team. (Somehow coach seems like a not-enough word to describe his influence there  ) There is a common expectation that he'll retire after the 2004 Olympic Games... Continent qualifiers should be over this month. The next chance for a spot in the Olympics is in a tournament in Japan in May. From Europe two of Rus, ITA and NED will go there according to the rankings... The level has definitely risen in European VB in the last few years. More and more teams are starting to beat each other and it really makes it fun to watch. There're 8 teams who can beat each other at any given time. |
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Post by foreignball on Jan 8, 2004 10:49:18 GMT -5
The level has definitely risen in European VB in the last few years. More and more teams are starting to beat each other and it really makes it fun to watch. There're 8 teams who can beat each other at any given time. I was hoping BUL would make it at least to the semis…  Apparently Bulgarian syndrome was there again. |
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Post by sIsam on Jan 8, 2004 13:41:52 GMT -5
Definitely. They just did not look like a TEAM out there when they played us. With such a good start to the tourney, they should have beat ITA and play us harder than they did yesterday. Such a shame. They're a good team as individuals who just can't pull it together as a team...
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Post by foreignball on Jan 8, 2004 14:25:46 GMT -5
Definitely. They just did not look like a TEAM out there when they played us. With such a good start to the tourney, they should have beat ITA and play us harder than they did yesterday. Such a shame. They're a good team as individuals who just can't pull it together as a team... When you have a national team from a country that doesn’t have national championship you can’t expect anything else. The vball in BUL was killed but don’t want to talk about it. |
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Post by sIsam on Jan 8, 2004 14:44:38 GMT -5
Really too bad about Bulgaria  well they are debating the exact opposite here. upto now we had very successful club teams in europe and a decent league but no nat'l team success. the fed has been wanting to pull nat'l teams players from the club teams and form their own team but does not have the resources to do so. Of course clubs are against it too. They debate that success in club teams prevent the success of nat'l team. interesting thinking and not one that I agree.... |
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Post by foreignball on Jan 8, 2004 15:33:25 GMT -5
Really too bad about Bulgaria well they are debating the exact opposite here. upto now we had very successful club teams in europe and a decent league but no nat'l team success. the fed has been wanting to pull nat'l teams players from the club teams and form their own team but does not have the resources to do so. Of course clubs are against it too. They debate that success in club teams prevent the success of nat'l team. interesting thinking and not one that I agree.... Believe me your current NT results are as a result of your club teams successes. BUL championship use to have 2 groups (A and B) - 8 teams in each. BUL clubs used to be European champs and that’s why NT was strong. Now there is nothing left. Where you are going to get players from? At this time they use what they got but what do you think, how many teen age girls would choose to become vball players from now on provided there is no championship where they can compete? Where these players will get game experience? What’s about international competition? I can extend the list but it won’t change anything. It’s sad because vball used to be the 2nd best (after soccer) sport there. Dozens players/coaches had successful careers in different European countries - former Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, Turkey, Austria. Not any more. |
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Post by sIsam on Jan 8, 2004 15:50:34 GMT -5
Believe me your current NT results are as a result of your club teams successes. BUL championship use to have 2 groups (A and B) - 8 teams in each. BUL clubs used to be European champs and that’s why NT was strong. Now there is nothing left. Where you are going to get players from? At this time they use what they got but what do you think, how many teen age girls would choose to become vball players from now on provided there is no championship where they can compete? Where these players will get game experience? What’s about international competition? I can extend the list but it won’t change anything. It’s sad because vball used to be the 2nd best (after soccer) sport there. Dozens players/coaches had successful careers in different European countries - former Yugoslavia, Greece, Italy, Turkey, Austria. Not any more. That's what I think too. If you keep collecting all good players into one team, even if you keep the league (by allowing the teams to transfer unlimited foreign players) you'd end up with clubs unwilling to invest in junior programs since they will lose those players anyways. My own opinion is that keep the league, bring down the no of teams from 16-18 to 12 or 14. Work on sponsorship for clubs to make sure that you have a decently balanced league. Lift limit on no of foreign players so that the very good turkish players are not in as much demand and monopolized by the top two teams. Change transfer rules so that it is easier for players to change teams... Maybe this will hurt in short term but will definitely be good long term, I think... We have a good group of players coming from junior teams in addition to the nice core we currently have. I think if we keep the national teams organized at the business level and get some kind of consistency there we should build on this success... I also agree with you that success of club teams reflect on NT (and vice versa for that matter). Our girls have played most of the players of national teams in clubs which is something. |
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Post by foreignball on Jan 8, 2004 16:21:52 GMT -5
Here is a simple example how things have been developing there:
2001 JNT Balkan Championship: BUL - 2nd, Turkey didn’t qualify for the semifinal round.
2002 JNT Balkan Championship: Turkey – 2nd, BUL – 4th provided both years it was basically the same team.
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Post by sIsam on Jan 8, 2004 16:32:15 GMT -5
There are 4 players from that team in the national team with more coming from behind. Our jr nat'l team had the same coach for quite a long time and he has been doing a great job not only for jr tourneys but also for getting players ready for next level.
I hope that things get better for Bulgaria. They need to bring players since both zetova and neshich are not getting any younger...
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) There is a common expectation that he'll retire after the 2004 Olympic Games...
Apparently Bulgarian syndrome was there again. 