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Post by baytree on Dec 12, 2022 16:08:01 GMT -5
This is pretty much a myth, IMO. Just looking at rosters over the past decade or so, UW has had no problem attracting top talent. That also goes for other sports - there are like 10 UW guys in the NBA right now (depending on whether Isiah Thomas signed with someone), and the Huskies have always been able to recruit football talent. Heck, Derek is doing a nice job recruiting both high school kids and transfers for the beach volleyball program. If you can recruit, you can get top kids to come to Seattle. They have got a lot of talent from the Northwest - the 2020-21 roster had seven PNW players on it, including Drechsel* (WA), Hoffman* (OR), Sanders (WA), Summers (OR), and Bush (BC). 2019 also had Bajema* (WA), Niece (WA), and McPherson (WA). Past PNW players included Schwan* (WA), Nelson* (OR), Dunaway (WA), Parker (OR), Munoz (WA), Barfield (WA), Rowland* (WA), Collymore (WA), Deesing* (OR), Mussie (WA), Morrison* (WA), Thompson* (WA), Myhre (BC), Lee* (OR), Benjamin* (WA), Desilets* (BC), Bransom* (OR), Wetzel* (OR), Baughn* (WA). * = All-Americans. And? Nebraska has a lot of talent from Nebraska (Allick, Evans, Krause, Lauenstein) and the midwest (Kubikx2, Iowa; Knuckles, Indiana; Rodriguez, Illinois;). Half of Stanford's starters are from SoCal (Miner, Kipp, Francis, Rubin). Are you suggesting it's a good thing or bad thing that Washington recruits the Northwest so well? How is that different than many other teams?
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Post by dawgnerd on Dec 12, 2022 16:43:13 GMT -5
They have got a lot of talent from the Northwest - the 2020-21 roster had seven PNW players on it, including Drechsel* (WA), Hoffman* (OR), Sanders (WA), Summers (OR), and Bush (BC). 2019 also had Bajema* (WA), Niece (WA), and McPherson (WA). Past PNW players included Schwan* (WA), Nelson* (OR), Dunaway (WA), Parker (OR), Munoz (WA), Barfield (WA), Rowland* (WA), Collymore (WA), Deesing* (OR), Mussie (WA), Morrison* (WA), Thompson* (WA), Myhre (BC), Lee* (OR), Benjamin* (WA), Desilets* (BC), Bransom* (OR), Wetzel* (OR), Baughn* (WA). * = All-Americans. And? Nebraska has a lot of talent from Nebraska (Allick, Evans, Krause, Lauenstein) and the midwest (Kubikx2, Iowa; Knuckles, Indiana; Rodriguez, Illinois;). Half of Stanford's starters are from SoCal (Miner, Kipp, Francis, Rubin). Are you suggesting it's a good thing or bad thing that Washington recruits the Northwest so well? How is that different than many other teams? I think RB's comment speaks to the other portion of recruiting from attracting quality players from elsewhere - that is a combination of the quality of players that your region produces and your ability to convince those from the region that they do not have to go far for a quality experience. The UW has done very well in that respect and there are a lot more of their top players on Redbeard's list than were attracted from elsewhere. (No lack of those either, e.g., EMP, Vansant, Tomasevic, and the T-Street pipeline)
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 12, 2022 16:50:42 GMT -5
And? Nebraska has a lot of talent from Nebraska (Allick, Evans, Krause, Lauenstein) and the midwest (Kubikx2, Iowa; Knuckles, Indiana; Rodriguez, Illinois;). Half of Stanford's starters are from SoCal (Miner, Kipp, Francis, Rubin). Are you suggesting it's a good thing or bad thing that Washington recruits the Northwest so well? How is that different than many other teams? I'm saying that the talent available from the Northwest, which fluctuates, helps to balance out the difficulty of attracting "national" talent to Seattle. The two biggest national recruits to UW were Vansant and Powell - Vansant was from California, which UW recruits heavily, and Powell has said she initially didn't want to visit UW, due to the distance, but her parents convinced her to go (and she was blown away when she did - the sun must have been out, which isn't always the case in the fall, which is when most recruits visit). Vansant and Powell both led UW to Final Fours, but NW recruits were vital ingredients on those teams. UW's 2005 National Championship team started Thompson (S), Morrison (OH), Deesing (MB), Myhre (MB), and Lee (L), 5 out of 7, all hailing from the PNW.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 12, 2022 17:24:31 GMT -5
I think RB's comment speaks to the other portion of recruiting from attracting quality players from elsewhere - that is a combination of the quality of players that your region produces and your ability to convince those from the region that they do not have to go far for a quality experience. The UW has done very well in that respect and there are a lot more of their top players on Redbeard's list than were attracted from elsewhere. (No lack of those either, e.g., EMP, Vansant, Tomasevic, and the T-Street pipeline) And Vansant and the T-Street crew (Tanner, Jones, Scambray, and Strickland) were all from California, so West Coast recruits who were in UW's bailiwick (plus, Troy Tanner, who owned T-Street, and Jim McLaughlin were "best buds"*). EMP has said she only visited UW because her parents convinced her to. Tomasevic actually thought that UW was in Washington, D.C., and only found out otherwise when calling UW's in a panic from Dulles International Airport when there was no one there was no one there to pick her up, so ended up at UW because of geographic ignorance (although she'd probably say it was the best mistake she ever made). *"But McLaughlin is more than just a coach to the Tanner family. He and Troy Tanner—Bailey’s father—have been friends for years. Each was in the other’s wedding party. Both are part of an exclusive group of volleyball wizards with roots on Southern California beaches, extending to some of the finest indoor and beach volleyball players of the past generation." volleyblogseattle.blogspot.com/2012/12/recruiting-bailey-tanner-lives-withand.html
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Post by baytree on Dec 12, 2022 17:33:01 GMT -5
And? Nebraska has a lot of talent from Nebraska (Allick, Evans, Krause, Lauenstein) and the midwest (Kubikx2, Iowa; Knuckles, Indiana; Rodriguez, Illinois;). Half of Stanford's starters are from SoCal (Miner, Kipp, Francis, Rubin). Are you suggesting it's a good thing or bad thing that Washington recruits the Northwest so well? How is that different than many other teams? I'm saying that the talent available from the Northwest, which fluctuates, helps to balance out the difficulty of attracting "national" talent to Seattle. The two biggest national recruits to UW were Vansant and Powell - Vansant was from California, which UW recruits heavily, and Powell has said she initially didn't want to visit UW, due to the distance, but her parents convinced her to go (and she was blown away when she did - the sun must have been out, which isn't always the case in the fall, which is when most recruits visit). Vansant and Powell both led UW to Final Fours, but NW recruits were vital ingredients on those teams. UW's 2005 National Championship team started Thompson (S), Morrison (OH), Deesing (MB), Myhre (MB), and Lee (L), 5 out of 7, all hailing from the PNW. And? Nebraska has a lot of talent from Nebraska (Allick, Evans, Krause, Lauenstein) and the midwest (Kubikx2, Iowa; Knuckles, Indiana; Rodriguez, Illinois;). Half of Stanford's starters are from SoCal (Miner, Kipp, Francis, Rubin). Are you suggesting it's a good thing or bad thing that Washington recruits the Northwest so well? How is that different than many other teams? I think RB's comment speaks to the other portion of recruiting from attracting quality players from elsewhere - that is a combination of the quality of players that your region produces and your ability to convince those from the region that they do not have to go far for a quality experience. The UW has done very well in that respect and there are a lot more of their top players on Redbeard's list than were attracted from elsewhere. (No lack of those either, e.g., EMP, Vansant, Tomasevic, and the T-Street pipeline) Thanks. But, as you say, Washington has been able to attract players from other regions too. Just on the current roster: Bays, Crenshaw, EMP, Houghton, Endslley, Grote. That's more starters from outside your primary region (Northwest) than, e.g., Stanford (and SoCal or even California). That's why I was puzzled.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 12, 2022 18:13:18 GMT -5
Thanks. But, as you say, Washington has been able to attract players from other regions too. Just on the current roster: Bays*, Crenshaw*, EMP, Houghton*, Endsley*, Grote*. That's more starters from outside your primary region (Northwest) than, e.g., Stanford (and SoCal or even California). That's why I was puzzled. *Now you are just making silly arguments. UW has always been able to recruit in California, except maybe when going head-to-head against Stanford (Klineman, for instance), since it is within the Pac-12 footprint, but not always for top "national" recruits from there (other than Vansant) or elsewhere. Grote was the #20 Senior Ace, while Powell was #26, but more prominent, due to her position. Crenshaw was #69, and only started out of necessity. Endsley only switched her commit to UW after Nebraska's Cook tried to pull a bait-and-switch on her, pulling the four-year offer she'd accepted, switching it to a one-year offer, and then claiming they were the same thing (according to the Endsleys). Houghton was a walk-on who started briefly at Libero, before being replaced by Crenshaw.
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Post by baytree on Dec 12, 2022 18:54:49 GMT -5
Thanks. But, as you say, Washington has been able to attract players from other regions too. Just on the current roster: Bays*, Crenshaw*, EMP, Houghton*, Endsley*, Grote*. That's more starters from outside your primary region (Northwest) than, e.g., Stanford (and SoCal or even California). That's why I was puzzled. *Now you are just making silly arguments. UW has always been able to recruit in California, except maybe when going head-to-head against Stanford (Klineman, for instance), since it is within the Pac-12 footprint, but not always for top "national" recruits from there (other than Vansant) or elsewhere. Grote was the #20 Senior Ace, while Powell was #26, but more prominent, due to her position. Crenshaw was #69, and only started out of necessity. Endsley only switched her commit to UW after Nebraska's Cook tried to pull a bait-and-switch on her, pulling the four-year offer she'd accepted, switching it to a one-year offer, and then claiming they were the same thing (according to the Endsleys). Houghton was a walk-on who started briefly at Libero, before being replaced by Crenshaw. Thanks for calling my post silly.
That Washington can recruit well in California, to me, shows that it is a strong recruiter outside "the Northwest". Many of the starters for many teams are from their primary recruiting area. I looked at Nebraska and Stanford and it was true for them. Washington looks very similar in that regard and probably stronger than either Nebraska or Stanford.
So your concern is more with getting Top 25 recruits, recruiting outside the Northwest (which was the area being discussed when I replied and what I thought we were discussing: "They have got a lot of talent from the Northwest"), being better at recruiting outside the PAC12 footprint, or what?
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2022 21:16:07 GMT -5
Cook needs to lose weight. a highly unnecessary and inappropriate comment. I don’t think it’s inappropriate. I’m just saying he needs to lose weight. No because, no whys. Just lose weight period.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2022 21:16:59 GMT -5
Cook needs to lose weight. also having a new kid will do that you. esp if you don't work a normal 9-5 office job that makes your days very routine and easy to schedule gym time. it's not the 90s anymore. we don't need to comment on people's bodies. between this and coyler being called acne face... 😤 the game is growing. learn to grow with it. And don’t be so soft. I just said he needs to lose. For crying out loud. Don’t be such a crybaby.
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Dec 12, 2022 21:22:03 GMT -5
a highly unnecessary and inappropriate comment. I don’t think it’s inappropriate. I’m just saying he needs to lose weight. No because, no whys. Just lose weight period. im not responding after this because your inappropriate comment is derailing the thread. the only person that gets to tell cook that he needs to lose weight is himself and his pcp. period. we're done with this subject.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 12, 2022 21:36:15 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s inappropriate. I’m just saying he needs to lose weight. No because, no whys. Just lose weight period. im not responding after this because your inappropriate comment is derailing the thread. the only person that gets to tell cook that he needs to lose weight is himself and his pcp. period. we're done with this subject. Like I said, he needs to lose weight. I don’t care if he will actually do it or not. And by the way, Cook needs to lose weight. Bye Felicia.
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Dec 12, 2022 21:59:27 GMT -5
I've failed to understand how cook's weight has anything to do with anything, but Sanja Tomasevic isn't listed as ASU head coach on the 2023 roster... homecoming?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 22:03:21 GMT -5
I've failed to understand how cook's weight has anything to do with anything, but Sanja Tomasevic isn't listed as ASU head coach on the 2023 roster... homecoming? No disrespect, but I don’t think she would somehow get a better job given her tenure with ASU, even if she is an alum. She was probably let go or “resigned”
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Post by tomclen on Dec 12, 2022 22:07:21 GMT -5
I've failed to understand how cook's weight has anything to do with anything, but Sanja Tomasevic isn't listed as ASU head coach on the 2023 roster... homecoming? No disrespect, but I don’t think she would somehow get a better job given her tenure with ASU, even if she is an alum You may be correct. But I think it's more than fair to remember the condition of ASU when she took over. It was bleak.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 12, 2022 22:08:19 GMT -5
No disrespect, but I don’t think she would somehow get a better job given her tenure with ASU, even if she is an alum You may be correct. But I think it's more than fair to remember the condition of ASU when she took over. It was bleak. She was a part of that too, let’s not forget.
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