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Post by skullars on May 20, 2016 8:08:40 GMT -5
One name not on the YNTT which shocks me is Paula Cerame. She has been in the HP program for years and has consistently been one of the best Libero's. She is friends with my daughter and she declined the invitation; she is been highly recruited and she is doing college camps during the summer instead of HP. Nice call. I'm a fan. Hoping my alma mater is smart and aggressive enough to one college recruiting her. A quality Libero is a big contributor to a successful team.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 20, 2016 10:22:35 GMT -5
Well, except it's not just missing that. It's that plus 5-7 days in the spring for club tournaments, possibly several days for high school games, And maybe they want to take a vacation at some point that doesn't involve volleyball. Heaven forbid. I am completely understand people that don't try out or don't accept a spot. it has almost no bearing on where they end up down the road in the pipeline, especially when they are 13/14/15 years old. At the Youth level players are required to attend the GYNTT, July 11-24 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. If you make the final 12-player U.S. Girls’ Youth National Team (GYNT) roster, the team will reconvene in Puerto Rico and compete in the NORCECA Women’s U18 Continental Championship with tentative dates set for Aug. 26-Sept. 5. There is no spring session I'm aware of, and if you tryout you know that there is a lengthy commitment (around 20 - 30 days). A high school game over a TEAM USA game... really? No high school game is worth missing that for, I'm sorry. Lastly, if you have Olympic aspirations, which is why the pipeline exists, why would you not want to be on the YNT? If your kid wants to take a vacation instead of attending tryouts, then I say they might not be as aspiring as her parents might want her to be. I am discussing the amount of missed school. Not the commitment to the volleyball part of it. But I remember that majority of the people on this board don't seem to have the perspective of these are STUDENT-athletes. Missing two+ weeks of school for volleyball related activities (club, HS, and if you make this HP thing, potentially a whole week of school right at the beginning of the year).
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Post by vbfamily on May 20, 2016 10:44:02 GMT -5
I am discussing the amount of missed school. Not the commitment to the volleyball part of it. But I remember that majority of the people on this board don't seem to have the perspective of these are STUDENT-athletes. Missing two+ weeks of school for volleyball related activities (club, HS, and if you make this HP thing, potentially a whole week of school right at the beginning of the year). I think most of the girls on the list are very concerned with their academics. It certainly has to be a serious consideration in the overall decision, especially when some of the girls require top grades to meet their goals. So part of the decision process, if she was fortunate enough to be selected for the travel team, was knowing she would miss eight days of school. That is a lot of school and hoping for the best support from her teachers and the ability to complete work early if she were so fortunate. However, how often do you even have the chance to represent the USA in International competition, that experience in irreplaceable. She said if given the opportunity, she will make it work and there was no hesitation.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 20, 2016 10:54:50 GMT -5
I would guess a decent number of the considerations will be missing a week of school, right at the beginning of the year, to travel for a tournament. That might make some kids/parents think twice. I guess they'll never know what they missed on that first day of health class.
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Post by jcvball22 on May 20, 2016 11:19:14 GMT -5
I am discussing the amount of missed school. Not the commitment to the volleyball part of it. But I remember that majority of the people on this board don't seem to have the perspective of these are STUDENT-athletes. Missing two+ weeks of school for volleyball related activities (club, HS, and if you make this HP thing, potentially a whole week of school right at the beginning of the year). I think most of the girls on the list are very concerned with their academics. It certainly has to be a serious consideration in the overall decision, especially when some of the girls require top grades to meet their goals. So part of the decision process, if she was fortunate enough to be selected for the travel team, was knowing she would miss eight days of school. That is a lot of school and hoping for the best support from her teachers and the ability to complete work early if she were so fortunate. However, how often do you even have the chance to represent the USA in International competition, that experience in irreplaceable. She said if given the opportunity, she will make it work and there was no hesitation. I understand that. And I could totally see it for the older group. But for 13/14/15 year olds, which is the group being discussed, it seems ridiculous. And it's more that people are very flippant about "Oh, that doesn't matter". USA HP pipeline or not, most of these girls will not make a career out of volleyball. So, for a lot of them I can understand it as a point of consideration and a reason why some either don't try out or don't accept a position on the team.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 11:21:33 GMT -5
I would guess a decent number of the considerations will be missing a week of school, right at the beginning of the year, to travel for a tournament. That might make some kids/parents think twice. I guess they'll never know what they missed on that first day of health class. Usually the good stuff comes late in the semester.
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Post by vbfamily on May 20, 2016 11:23:53 GMT -5
I think most of the girls on the list are very concerned with their academics. It certainly has to be a serious consideration in the overall decision, especially when some of the girls require top grades to meet their goals. So part of the decision process, if she was fortunate enough to be selected for the travel team, was knowing she would miss eight days of school. That is a lot of school and hoping for the best support from her teachers and the ability to complete work early if she were so fortunate. However, how often do you even have the chance to represent the USA in International competition, that experience in irreplaceable. She said if given the opportunity, she will make it work and there was no hesitation. I understand that. And I could totally see it for the older group. But for 13/14/15 year olds, which is the group being discussed, it seems ridiculous. And it's more that people are very flippant about "Oh, that doesn't matter". USA HP pipeline or not, most of these girls will not make a career out of volleyball. So, for a lot of them I can understand it as a point of consideration and a reason why some either don't try out or don't accept a position on the team. Sorry...thought you were talking about YNTT, not Select. I guess some kids that start school early for the select group would miss for HPC. I know some kids in our area can't miss that first week of school because they start in July. Got it.
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Post by GoldenArks on May 20, 2016 11:25:55 GMT -5
I guess I thought this particular discussion was about the 15 and older girls (Girls' Youth National Team). I do not think any of the younger ages HP programs interfere with school, do they?
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Post by jma1968 on May 20, 2016 11:30:03 GMT -5
I understand that. And I could totally see it for the older group. But for 13/14/15 year olds, which is the group being discussed, it seems ridiculous. And it's more that people are very flippant about "Oh, that doesn't matter". USA HP pipeline or not, most of these girls will not make a career out of volleyball. So, for a lot of them I can understand it as a point of consideration and a reason why some either don't try out or don't accept a position on the team. Sorry...thought you were talking about YNTT, not Select. I guess some kids that start school early for the select group would miss for HPC. I know some kids in our area can't miss that first week of school because they start in July. Got it. I'm confused. I also thought we were talking YNTT, which will compete at end of August and into September. These are kids with 2000 and 2001 birthdays, all of whom (right?) will be high school kids this fall. Select are the 2002 and 2003 kids, and nothing goes past July for them. One of my takeaways from this list is that, apparently, the Holiday HP camps aren't really the narrow funnel to the National Team that I thought they were. 48 kids went to the YNT Prospects Holiday Camp back in December. 10 12 of those made the 24 player YNTT roster (meaning also that 12 YNTT kids were not invited to the Camp).
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Post by sandman32 on May 20, 2016 12:19:32 GMT -5
I think most of the girls on the list are very concerned with their academics. It certainly has to be a serious consideration in the overall decision, especially when some of the girls require top grades to meet their goals. So part of the decision process, if she was fortunate enough to be selected for the travel team, was knowing she would miss eight days of school. That is a lot of school and hoping for the best support from her teachers and the ability to complete work early if she were so fortunate. However, how often do you even have the chance to represent the USA in International competition, that experience in irreplaceable. She said if given the opportunity, she will make it work and there was no hesitation. I understand that. And I could totally see it for the older group. But for 13/14/15 year olds, which is the group being discussed, it seems ridiculous. And it's more that people are very flippant about "Oh, that doesn't matter". USA HP pipeline or not, most of these girls will not make a career out of volleyball. So, for a lot of them I can understand it as a point of consideration and a reason why some either don't try out or don't accept a position on the team. Then why try out for the USA National TEAM? Not club, not city, not county, not state, and certainly not school. We're talking about OUR NATIONS TEAM. Representing our Nation in International Competition. But you're right. That's no big deal. I'm sure it's more important you go to your local school for those days as things will happen during that time which will change your life forever. Oh wait, that's the experience you get if you go.... Missing school a few weeks is not life altering. If you think it is, talk to any kid who has missed due to surgery, or illness. It can easily be overcome. And any teacher not willing to bend over backwards and accommodate a student who has this opportunity needs to be fired.
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Post by sandman32 on May 20, 2016 12:25:20 GMT -5
I understand that. And I could totally see it for the older group. But for 13/14/15 year olds, which is the group being discussed, it seems ridiculous. And it's more that people are very flippant about "Oh, that doesn't matter". USA HP pipeline or not, most of these girls will not make a career out of volleyball. So, for a lot of them I can understand it as a point of consideration and a reason why some either don't try out or don't accept a position on the team. Sorry...thought you were talking about YNTT, not Select. I guess some kids that start school early for the select group would miss for HPC. I know some kids in our area can't miss that first week of school because they start in July. Got it. Select kids do not miss school. They compete in July, and if you are saying missing middle school practice is a reason not to go to USAV HP Championships please leave this forum. lol We were talking Youth kids, 2000-2001 birthdays. Select are 2002-2003 birthdays. Mostly 7th and 8th, though its possible to have 6th graders in select if born Sept.-Dec 2003. Any 9th grader would be a year ahead of their age.
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Post by sandman32 on May 20, 2016 12:32:21 GMT -5
At the Youth level players are required to attend the GYNTT, July 11-24 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. If you make the final 12-player U.S. Girls’ Youth National Team (GYNT) roster, the team will reconvene in Puerto Rico and compete in the NORCECA Women’s U18 Continental Championship with tentative dates set for Aug. 26-Sept. 5. There is no spring session I'm aware of, and if you tryout you know that there is a lengthy commitment (around 20 - 30 days). A high school game over a TEAM USA game... really? No high school game is worth missing that for, I'm sorry. Lastly, if you have Olympic aspirations, which is why the pipeline exists, why would you not want to be on the YNT? If your kid wants to take a vacation instead of attending tryouts, then I say they might not be as aspiring as her parents might want her to be. I am discussing the amount of missed school. Not the commitment to the volleyball part of it. But I remember that majority of the people on this board don't seem to have the perspective of these are STUDENT-athletes. Missing two+ weeks of school for volleyball related activities (club, HS, and if you make this HP thing, potentially a whole week of school right at the beginning of the year). This HP Thing? Wow, please go to the TEAM USA website and become informed. Then come back and apologize. lol I submit that if you don't think representing the United States in an international competition is a big deal then you must be Mexican or Canadian.
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Post by Hawk Attack on May 20, 2016 12:43:10 GMT -5
If schools cannot figure out a way to help a kid make up time spent representing the nation in an Olympic sport during the other 1000+ hours they mandate the kid to be in school the rest of the year then that would be a serious shame.
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 20, 2016 17:21:07 GMT -5
I agree that school is important, especially once you get to freshman year of HS - it can be hard to recover your GPA from a bad first year, and anyone with collegiate VB aspirations needs a decent GPA.
However, most of these younger players will be Mossi plenty of school in spring semester for traveling club tourneys. These players will have to be highly academically self-motivated. This is a good opportunity to exercise those skills.
If I were still teaching and I had a student with the opportunity to wear a Team USA jersey and represent the States in international competition, I'd do whatever I could to help them get caught up.
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Post by vollypopaz on May 20, 2016 21:38:57 GMT -5
I've been teaching for 17 years, AP physics, calculus and beyond. If a kid misses a week or more at the beginning of the year in these classes, they could be at a disadvantage for the whole year if they don't grasp some fundamental concepts very well. Talented juniors are frequently in these classes, plus 2-4 more AP or honors classes. This is like missing a week of a full college schedule all at once.
I have a few kids miss a week or more at the beginning of the year every year. Some catch up just fine, some don't and struggle the rest of the year. If you are not a teacher or haven't been in high school in the last 10 years you are not really qualified to make a blanket judgement about what it's like for a kid to miss school like this. It's not a trivial thing.
As far as missing a day or two at a time in second semester for club, it's a completely different situation. The basics have been covered, the class routines and expectations are well known and the workload is known.
All that being said, if my daughter wanted to go and made the team, I would send her for the reasons many have stated here. But I would also have a realistic idea of the potential academic consequences of missing that time.
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