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Post by graham on Feb 14, 2015 17:43:08 GMT -5
With Casebeer/Montgomery recently taking a 9th in a Banco de Brasil tournament, and the obvious depth of Brazilian teams on the FIVB, what is everyone's thoughts on the strength of the USA domestic tour vs the Brazilian domestic tour? I haven't found any live streams of the Brazilian tournaments (yet), so while I haven't been able to see the competition, I'd have to think the Brazilian tour is just as strong as the current US domestic tour. I'm really interested in seeing how the upcoming USA vs Brazil exhibition turns out! (And if anyone has links to the Brazilian tournaments, I'd be very grateful since it'd be nice to watch some live bvb during the winter!!!) Lastly, if the Brazil tour IS as strong as the USA tour should Rego's wins in Brazil count as "OPEN" wins, most likely putting him past Karch as the all-time open winner? (I know, I know, that's probably blasphemy in the US world of BVB but still.... )
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Post by guest2 on Feb 14, 2015 18:36:09 GMT -5
Casebeer Montgomery are a ninth place team wherever they play. That said I would guess the Brazilian tour is as strong or maybe stronger than the US one.
With regards to Emmanuel and Karch, if we are being fair then neither current AVP nor the Brazilian tour should count. When Karch was winning the overwhelming majority of his tournaments, the top 10 teams in the world were in every tournament he played. The AVP up to 1997 or maybe as late as 1999 was better than the FIVB and as late as 1996 was much much better.
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Post by klazk on Feb 15, 2015 7:10:07 GMT -5
Lastly, if the Brazil tour IS as strong as the USA tour should Rego's wins in Brazil count as "OPEN" wins, most likely putting him past Karch as the all-time open winner? This has been a point of contention for me for a long time. It is ridiculous that the only open wins that are counted are US tournaments and FIVB. I would venture a guess that the current German tour is just as strong as the current AVP as well (although that would be fairly recent). I toyed with the idea of trying to put together a database including the Brazilian tour, but simply didn't have the time. Actually, the one that would be more interesting to me than Karch/Emanuel is Walsh versus Juliana and Larissa. In all likelihood, Larissa and Juliana would be right there with Walsh and are both younger. And you don't have the "era" argument that guest2 is making for Karch - which certainly has some validity.
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Post by haze on Feb 16, 2015 19:52:45 GMT -5
I'm really interested in seeing how the upcoming USA vs Brazil exhibition turns out! What is this all about?
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Post by klazk on Feb 16, 2015 20:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by guest2 on Feb 17, 2015 8:40:27 GMT -5
Lastly, if the Brazil tour IS as strong as the USA tour should Rego's wins in Brazil count as "OPEN" wins, most likely putting him past Karch as the all-time open winner? This has been a point of contention for me for a long time. It is ridiculous that the only open wins that are counted are US tournaments and FIVB. I would venture a guess that the current German tour is just as strong as the current AVP as well (although that would be fairly recent). I toyed with the idea of trying to put together a database including the Brazilian tour, but simply didn't have the time. Actually, the one that would be more interesting to me than Karch/Emanuel is Walsh versus Juliana and Larissa. In all likelihood, Larissa and Juliana would be right there with Walsh and are both younger. And you don't have the "era" argument that guest2 is making for Karch - which certainly has some validity. I think the only way to be fair is to just count FIVB. I wouldn't count Misty/Kerri's AVP wins either. Up to 1997 I would count only AVP and thereafter only FIVB. Otherwise you get into what we are, which is whether the Brazil tour and German tour and Argentinian tours should count. I think it has to be the dominant tour and right now the FIVB is 2-3 times as hard as any other tour so I don't think players should get one win for each.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 14:16:06 GMT -5
This will be a great competition and I'd love to watch if at all possible. Does anyone have a lead on how to link to a feed of this event ?
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Post by guest2 on Feb 17, 2015 18:22:39 GMT -5
Lastly, if the Brazil tour IS as strong as the USA tour should Rego's wins in Brazil count as "OPEN" wins, most likely putting him past Karch as the all-time open winner? This has been a point of contention for me for a long time. It is ridiculous that the only open wins that are counted are US tournaments and FIVB. I would venture a guess that the current German tour is just as strong as the current AVP as well (although that would be fairly recent). I toyed with the idea of trying to put together a database including the Brazilian tour, but simply didn't have the time. Actually, the one that would be more interesting to me than Karch/Emanuel is Walsh versus Juliana and Larissa. In all likelihood, Larissa and Juliana would be right there with Walsh and are both younger. And you don't have the "era" argument that guest2 is making for Karch - which certainly has some validity. Do you know what the requirements are to be allowed to play on the Brazilian tour? If I were a guy like Casebeer, I would move down there every winter and play on the Brazilian tour if allowed
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Post by klazk on Feb 18, 2015 9:30:19 GMT -5
This will be a great competition and I'd love to watch if at all possible. Does anyone have a lead on how to link to a feed of this event ? No official feed. They are showing locally on Brazilian television, so there are no plans to stream per USAV PR.
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Post by klazk on Feb 18, 2015 9:32:24 GMT -5
This has been a point of contention for me for a long time. It is ridiculous that the only open wins that are counted are US tournaments and FIVB. I would venture a guess that the current German tour is just as strong as the current AVP as well (although that would be fairly recent). I toyed with the idea of trying to put together a database including the Brazilian tour, but simply didn't have the time. Actually, the one that would be more interesting to me than Karch/Emanuel is Walsh versus Juliana and Larissa. In all likelihood, Larissa and Juliana would be right there with Walsh and are both younger. And you don't have the "era" argument that guest2 is making for Karch - which certainly has some validity. I think the only way to be fair is to just count FIVB. I wouldn't count Misty/Kerri's AVP wins either. Up to 1997 I would count only AVP and thereafter only FIVB. Otherwise you get into what we are, which is whether the Brazil tour and German tour and Argentinian tours should count. I think it has to be the dominant tour and right now the FIVB is 2-3 times as hard as any other tour so I don't think players should get one win for each. Every system is going to have flaws though. For example, the Brazilians are always going to play all of the FIVBs because they never conflict with their domestic tour. There are plenty of years that May & Walsh probably would have gotten another FIVB win or 3, but were staying home to play AVPs.
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Post by gk on Feb 27, 2015 13:31:27 GMT -5
US dropped the first 3 matches today and then won the next 3. Still down 14-9, but some decent games so far today.
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Post by gk on Feb 27, 2015 15:59:48 GMT -5
Dalhausser/Rosenthal lost to Bruno Schmidt/Thiago 24-22 after having a decent lead. They lost their second game yesterday as well. Phil still seems great, I'd like to see him with a different partner.
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Post by crawdaddy on Feb 27, 2015 17:23:30 GMT -5
Dalhausser/Rosenthal lost to Bruno Schmidt/Thiago 24-22 after having a decent lead. They lost their second game yesterday as well. Phil still seems great, I'd like to see him with a different partner. Hmm. We might have been watching a different game. Phil made several (uncharacteristic) hitting errors that allowed the Brazilians back in the game and then gave Rosie a not very good set on match point.
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Post by gk on Feb 27, 2015 22:56:15 GMT -5
Yes, he made some errors, but he was the only reason they were in it anyways I felt. I didn't see Solberg/Evandro game, what happened in that one?
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Post by haze on Feb 28, 2015 12:10:17 GMT -5
Yea I don't think Dalhauser is playing anywhere close to being dominant. I'm sure this being the start of the season for him plays some role in that. He isn't blocking balls like he should be and he makes a lot of hitting errors, way too many for him. On a side note with Phil, I have never seen a player fall down in the sand so much after he swings, he falls like every other swing he takes. His hitting erros aren't even consistent - he's bombing them long, off the tape rolling out, and right into the bottom of the net.
AS far as Rosie/Phil, same kind of thing with them. They blew pretty much every game of the last 3. They had control, the other team starting pushing and going on runs late, and Phil/Rosie can't respond. IMO they are just too similiar mentality players, and neither one of them shows any willful emotion to break any runs from the other team. They just wander around the court with that deer in the headlights look, don't say anything, and can't find a way out of it.
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