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Post by vup on Apr 20, 2015 9:22:06 GMT -5
Possible scenarios:
USA wins without Destinee
USA loses without Destinee
USA wins with Destinee
USA loses with Destinee
IMO, "USA wins with Destinee" is the scenario where there are the least hurt feelings, and is also the better chance of actually winning. I mean, we're talking Brazil @ Brazil here!
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:36:16 GMT -5
Post by vup on Apr 20, 2015 9:36:16 GMT -5
While there is this perception that the current players dont like Hooker or dont want to play with her, from the players I have talked to, that really isnt the sentiment. They want to win, and recognize how much she can help make that happen. In terms of her behavior, tweets etc..... I think they see it more as Destinee being Destinee, than they see it as bad teammate. This says a lot. If Karch is trying to "instill team chemistry", then why is he dividing the team on this issue, per say. Surely there are some players who feel slighted by Destinee not being with us anymore. Sounds like some "real" team chemistry to me.  |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:37:43 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 20, 2015 9:37:43 GMT -5
While there is this perception that the current players dont like Hooker or dont want to play with her, from the players I have talked to, that really isnt the sentiment. They want to win, and recognize how much she can help make that happen. In terms of her behavior, tweets etc..... I think they see it more as Destinee being Destinee, than they see it as bad teammate. With all due respect Dot....I have done a few interviews. There are things and feelings we share with people because we want to look like a team player and not difficult and then there are our real feelings. Judging from just her tweets alone show that she has a long way to go. I am surprised that you of all people aren't standing behind your coach. |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:42:38 GMT -5
Post by vup on Apr 20, 2015 9:42:38 GMT -5
While there is this perception that the current players dont like Hooker or dont want to play with her, from the players I have talked to, that really isnt the sentiment. They want to win, and recognize how much she can help make that happen. In terms of her behavior, tweets etc..... I think they see it more as Destinee being Destinee, than they see it as bad teammate. With all due respect Dot....I have done a few interviews. There are things and feelings we share with people because we want to look like a team player and not difficult and then there are our real feelings. Judging from just her tweets alone show that she has a long way to go. I am surprised that you of all people aren't standing behind your coach. How is Dorothy not standing behind our coach? |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:43:21 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 20, 2015 9:43:21 GMT -5
At the end of the day stubbornness will most likely be the thing that keeps it from happening. It would take her reaching out and saying "I handled things poorly, thats on me, I want to play" or Karch saying "I should have handled the situation better, thats on me" I don't see either happening. Aren't they both adults? If I am Doug Beal, I am on a plane meeting with Hooker, I am in the offices meeting with Karch. He should be the person that brings it together, I think that is his job. Completely. ..............or maybe Beal trusts his coach to make the correct decisions and leaves him or her to do so. I have not witnessed any successful program that allows others to interfere with a coach's judgement or decisions. The most successful are schools and colleges that allow a coach to make those decisions. Many of you on this board are coaches. Is it necessary for success to have control over your program or not. I think you all know the answer. |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:45:55 GMT -5
Post by holidayhusker on Apr 20, 2015 9:45:55 GMT -5
With all due respect Dot....I have done a few interviews. There are things and feelings we share with people because we want to look like a team player and not difficult and then there are our real feelings. Judging from just her tweets alone show that she has a long way to go. I am surprised that you of all people aren't standing behind your coach. How is Dorothy not standing behind our coach? Again....we are letting talent win over all else and that is a very poor team decision. To have success a coach needs the college or support system to have his back, not be undermining his decisions. Does no one on this board trust Karch enough to make this decision? Its pathetic. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 20, 2015 9:55:03 GMT -5
Her behavior when she first joined the National Team compared to her behavior in 2012, or even her behavior now, is a night and day difference. She was young, a little cocky, and needed to grow up a little bit. Nothing wrong with that. I think she has made changes. Then again, that has nothing to do with the issues between her and Karch now. At the end of the day stubbornness will most likely be the thing that keeps it from happening. It would take her reaching out and saying "I handled things poorly, thats on me, I want to play" or Karch saying "I should have handled the situation better, thats on me" I don't see either happening. Aren't they both adults? If I am Doug Beal, I am on a plane meeting with Hooker, I am in the offices meeting with Karch. He should be the person that brings it together, I think that is his job. In respect to the national team, Doug's job is to ensure the NT staff have the best possible resources. His job does not and should not include player personnel decisions. Doug largely takes a hands-off approach to what happens in Anaheim, and for good reason. Overriding his coach's decisions (or even the appearance to doing so) would set a terrible precedent. |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 9:58:37 GMT -5
Post by vup on Apr 20, 2015 9:58:37 GMT -5
How is Dorothy not standing behind our coach? Again....we are letting talent win over all else and that is a very poor team decision. To have success a coach needs the college or support system to have his back, not be undermining his decisions. Does no one on this board trust Karch enough to make this decision? Its pathetic. A main point Dorothy mentioned was "stubbornness". If that really is the issue here, then perhaps Karch needs to look beyond his dispositions. I don't think it's undermining if Karch is clearly missing the point. Counsel is a form of support, and Karch Kiraly should be open to any suggestions Doug Beal, an experienced volleyball player (not some rando AD), has to offer, if that be the case, but I guess you'd have to ask Beal himself. But as a fan, if stubbornness is what this all boils down to, then they just need to suck it up and deal with each other. Destinee belongs on the team. |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 10:44:55 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 20, 2015 10:44:55 GMT -5
I think Karch made the best decision he was capable of making. His inter-personal communication skills suck. The type of conversation and interaction needed to work out that situation initially was beyond his capabilities to handle effectively. It's the same reason he can't or won't resolve it now.
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 11:10:33 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 20, 2015 11:10:33 GMT -5
Or, you could simply have a conversation with him. |
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Post by elevationvb on Apr 20, 2015 12:25:31 GMT -5
Her behavior when she first joined the National Team compared to her behavior in 2012, or even her behavior now, is a night and day difference. She was young, a little cocky, and needed to grow up a little bit. Nothing wrong with that. I think she has made changes. Then again, that has nothing to do with the issues between her and Karch now. At the end of the day stubbornness will most likely be the thing that keeps it from happening. It would take her reaching out and saying "I handled things poorly, thats on me, I want to play" or Karch saying "I should have handled the situation better, thats on me" I don't see either happening. Aren't they both adults? If I am Doug Beal, I am on a plane meeting with Hooker, I am in the offices meeting with Karch. He should be the person that brings it together, I think that is his job.
Of course we don't know if he has done that. Has he been asked directly and commented in detail?
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 12:45:04 GMT -5
Post by volleyguy on Apr 20, 2015 12:45:04 GMT -5
It's not simply an issue of Destinee reconciling her own response to the situation, but also reconciling the influences around her. And Karch would not only have to figure out how to broker a reconciliation with Destinee, but also how to approach and manage the process of re-integrating her given everything that's gone on. Doug Beal could play an important role in the latter, but it might require more direct involvement than he cares to, or is willing to, have.
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 13:05:20 GMT -5
Post by rainbowbadger on Apr 20, 2015 13:05:20 GMT -5
This is all in theory. Does Destinee even want to come back to USAVB? Or is she happy doing what she's doing: playing pro, running camps, raising her daughter, and living her life? Perhaps she's moved on.
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by WahineFan44 on Apr 20, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -5
This is all in theory. Does Destinee even want to come back to USAVB? Or is she happy doing what she's doing: playing pro, running camps, raising her daughter, and living her life? Perhaps she's moved on. Who knows really. She probably puts on a facade like "oh I'm done with the national team", but she probably misses it. It's sad that they can't work out their differences. Hooker makes this team better. Attitude aside. While I understand what karch did and why he did it (based on what I was told, so i mah have been told false info), after finding out karch was the same way as a player, I feel the same as others. It's more of his ego and personality getting in the way of hooker not playing, which is unfortunate. But MURPHY is no slouch, so I don't think the drop off at opp is HUGE. |
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Hooker
Apr 20, 2015 13:19:28 GMT -5
Post by kokyu on Apr 20, 2015 13:19:28 GMT -5
It's not only about winning but having the best hitter in American history on the team. It's an extreme disappointment for the sport and fans. It is ALL about winning If you want to put it that way, you better have her on the team then. |
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