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Post by volleyballjim on Jul 20, 2015 2:30:43 GMT -5
So there is NO men's sand/beach found in college, and a robust college women's sport rising exponentially...SO, why the AVP NYC player disparity between men/women? What am I missing...(?)
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 2:51:52 GMT -5
What disparity? The men's side was weak as water in NYC. Tramblie/Crabb and Keenan/Allen in the semis? Teams that wouldn't sniff the top 5 when the tour was strong are contenders now.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 20, 2015 6:49:07 GMT -5
BOTH sides were weak in NYC. A lot of top talent wasn't there because of injury or FIVB.
Men's side was missing 3 of the top 4 teams (Phil/Sean, Tri/John, and Nick/Theo)
Women's was missing Kerri, Brooke/Jen, Summer/Lane.
I thought there was more promise on the women's side. Nicole looked pretty good, and the kids.
There is a bigger drop off though, after Kerri and whom ever she plays with. The 2nd tier has about 4 teams.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 8:00:15 GMT -5
You know what I loved about Nicole (besides the usual everything) is that when there was a game point against her she sided out so smoothly and easily. As if the score were 2-2. Jenny Kropp also looked pretty great. If Kerri is out for a while, Kropp/Branagh are in the mix for another finals appearance.
Amanda Dowdy, who inexplicable got two streaming appearances does not seem to have improved at all. I had thought she dumped Branagh but maybe it was the other way around.
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Post by klazk on Jul 20, 2015 9:23:24 GMT -5
I think that the obvious response to this is the NCAA sand has been in existence for what, 4 seasons? So this summer would be the first class who played 4 full years of sand having a chance to compete professionally, and they would be "rookies." There were also only about 14 schools participating in 2012, so we aren't talking about a large sample size.
I think NCAA certainly will have a positive impact on the women's game. But it isn't going to happen overnight. It is going to take some time.
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 10:16:04 GMT -5
I think the NCAAs already are. Sara Hughes was champ last year and this and did very well this weekend, Summer won the first one and has already won tournaments.
Who is the last men's prospect to emerge directly out of college? Page?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 20, 2015 11:22:39 GMT -5
I think the NCAAs already are. Sara Hughes was champ last year and this and did very well this weekend, Summer won the first one and has already won tournaments. Who is the last men's prospect to emerge directly out of college? Page? If you consider him "emerged" Do you mean not playing Pro indoors first? Tri and Casebeer would be right there too. |
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Post by klazk on Jul 20, 2015 11:31:49 GMT -5
I think the NCAAs already are. Sara Hughes was champ last year and this and did very well this weekend, Summer won the first one and has already won tournaments. I guess I was more addressing the question about depth that I thought his original post was highlighting as opposed to a few players that likely would have been relevant on the AVP without the benefit of NCAA sand. I heard people talking about both Hughes and Ross before they even played a collegiate match. |
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 12:16:54 GMT -5
I think the NCAAs already are. Sara Hughes was champ last year and this and did very well this weekend, Summer won the first one and has already won tournaments. I guess I was more addressing the question about depth that I thought his original post was highlighting as opposed to a few players that likely would have been relevant on the AVP without the benefit of NCAA sand. I heard people talking about both Hughes and Ross before they even played a collegiate match. As to depth I think your point is well taken, although I wonder how much the complete lack of prize money has to do with that. I bet some of the girls that did well in the NCAAs would have taken a shot at the tour if there were 20 events. The pool is there now, its just making it a possibility. Even if a team right out of college took 5th every week, thats $15k for the whole year. I think that both Hughes and Ross end up on the AVP if they only played indoor as opposed to beach but would they have been as successful as quickly? Maybe. (Tour is super weak now) April Ross, who I think had more beach potential than Hughes or Claes, played a whole year before she did better than 9th. Of course others like Misty and Kerri did win their first years. (but Misty had a great partner to learn from in Holly McPeak and Kerri is the most talented beach player maybe ever) |
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Post by guest2 on Jul 20, 2015 12:33:39 GMT -5
I think the NCAAs already are. Sara Hughes was champ last year and this and did very well this weekend, Summer won the first one and has already won tournaments. Who is the last men's prospect to emerge directly out of college? Page? If you consider him "emerged" Do you mean not playing Pro indoors first? Tri and Casebeer would be right there too. I guess Tri does count since he was 24 when he started doing well, but he is really the only one. Neither Casebeer nor Page has had anything like the success Summer had (won at 20) or Claes (19) and Hughes (20) did this weekend. (Casebeer got a third but he didnt do it by going through the 1 seed and then almost beating the 2 in his first event) I wonder if the tour was healthier how many of the women that seem to have stopped playing after doing well in the NCAAs would be out there now. |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 20, 2015 12:46:31 GMT -5
If you consider him "emerged" Do you mean not playing Pro indoors first? Tri and Casebeer would be right there too. I guess Tri does count since he was 24 when he started doing well, but he is really the only one. Neither Casebeer nor Page has had anything like the success Summer had (won at 20) or Claes (19) and Hughes (20) did this weekend. (Casebeer got a third but he didnt do it by going through the 1 seed and then almost beating the 2 in his first event) I wonder if the tour was healthier how many of the women that seem to have stopped playing after doing well in the NCAAs would be out there now. I do think the money difference overseas indoor vs. beach plays a huge difference. for the beach, it's hard if you aren't getting the USAV money traveling abroad and the training resources to be a "pro". DeFalco could be a player to get a good finish pre 21 Y.O. He will be a freshman in College this year. |
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Post by klazk on Jul 20, 2015 13:11:05 GMT -5
I guess Tri does count since he was 24 when he started doing well, but he is really the only one. Neither Casebeer nor Page has had anything like the success Summer had (won at 20) or Claes (19) and Hughes (20) did this weekend. (Casebeer got a third but he didnt do it by going through the 1 seed and then almost beating the 2 in his first event) It doesn't change your overall point, but I do want to point out that Hughes payed in 3 AVPs last year (17th highest finish) as well as one Cuervo event in each of 2011 and 2012 (again 17th highest finish). She also won a NORCECA in 2013 and had 2 seconds at NORCECAs last year. Claes had a 2nd at a NORCECA last year and played one AVP last year. Again, doesn't take away from your overall point, but Claes/Hughes did have some experience outside collegiate sand before this past weekend. |
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