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Post by beba on Aug 2, 2015 18:36:23 GMT -5
In my opinion, there are way too many timeouts in volleyball. Why does each team need two timeouts per set, a total potential of 20 timeouts in a match!
Between virtually every point a coach, and sometimes more than one coach, is providing advice, direction and input to the players from the sideline.
Wouldn't the game be better off if the number of timeouts was reduced, and spread out over the totality of the match? Say each team gets 4 per match?
You may now begin the posts calling me stupid, naive, uninformed, etc.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 2, 2015 18:41:22 GMT -5
Yeah, because volleyball matches last too long. We need to keep finding ways to make them shorter and shorter.
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Post by silversurfer on Aug 2, 2015 18:59:50 GMT -5
College basketball has too many timeouts. I don't see the number in volleyball being a problem.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 2, 2015 19:37:39 GMT -5
In my opinion, there are way too many timeouts in volleyball. Why does each team need two timeouts per set, a total potential of 20 timeouts in a match! Between virtually every point a coach, and sometimes more than one coach, is providing advice, direction and input to the players from the sideline. Wouldn't the game be better off if the number of timeouts was reduced, and spread out over the totality of the match? Say each team gets 4 per match? You may now begin the posts calling me stupid, naive, uninformed, etc. You don't ever watch the last "minute" of basketball, do you? There is no problem with the volleyball timeouts. In fact, I would say 1/3 of the time outs are "left on the table" in most matches. Volleyball is a game of momentum, and sometimes teams do better working through the set, rather than having a time out. Secondly, it's pretty rare to have one team timeout followed by another team timeout fewer than five minutes later (usually the team getting clobbered, or having the opponent run some points off them, is calling the timeout). Basketball, you could have easily 6 timeouts in one game minute! |
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Post by gnu2vball on Aug 2, 2015 19:38:14 GMT -5
College basketball has too many timeouts. I don't see the number in volleyball being a problem. You are so right. But, it only bothers me when a volleyball game follows basketball coverage. |
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Post by trollhunter on Aug 2, 2015 20:07:38 GMT -5
Number of timeouts in volleyball is ok for high school, club, college.
However it is ridiculous in World League and World Cup.
Add in 2 technical timeouts and 2 challenges per coach per game.
Game stoppage every 3-4 points it seems.
They need to incorporate at least one challenge into existing timeouts. And reduce technical timeouts to 1.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 3, 2015 6:15:19 GMT -5
Number of timeouts in volleyball is ok for high school, club, college. However it is ridiculous in World League and World Cup. Add in 2 technical timeouts and 2 challenges per coach per game. Game stoppage every 3-4 points it seems. They need to incorporate at least one challenge into existing timeouts. And reduce technical timeouts to 1. In international ball, I can see where you're coming from, given the presence of technical TOs and challenges. Sunderland was commenting that some coaches are using challenges as TOs when they are out of TOs, and that in his opinion, there should be a restriction placed on coaching during challenges. |
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 3, 2015 8:30:47 GMT -5
I would agree, from watching Pan Am matches the reviews do slow things down. Is there a plan for challenges in the Big Ten this year? I can't remember.
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Post by greek on Aug 3, 2015 9:00:31 GMT -5
Went to see the U.S. Men's team play Poland at Sears Center and I agree with the above statement that there are too many stops. It's almost impossible to get into the match as a fan, and that's with 15k Pols screaming their heads off. Cut the timeouts. Even at youth. Kids need to learn how to play. One per set, or two per match, total.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 3, 2015 9:03:38 GMT -5
Two timeouts per set is perfectly reasonable and I don't view it as a problem.
What I do view as a problem, however, is the growing trend of TV coverage holding up play after a scheduled timeout.
On several occasions, I've seen a team adhere to the refs whistle and return to the floor for play, only to stand there for an additional 30 or 40 seconds as the down ref waits for the TV liason at the scorers table to give him/her permission to resume action.
Either extend the allotted time for time-outs, or adhere to the rule. It can lead to an unfair advantage, especially for visiting teams, in a close match.
TV should follow the rules of the game...the game shouldn't be randomly altered for the convenience of TV
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 3, 2015 9:22:00 GMT -5
I believe international timeouts are 30 seconds, technical timeouts are 60 seconds, and there is no 10-minute break between sets 2 and 3. So even though there are more breaks, the individuals break are shorter than college (I think NCAA is 75 or 90 seconds for televised matches). I also prefer an automatic timeout to the media-timeout-if-no-team-has-called-a-timeout hack.
At WGP, I thought the flow worked well. I actually liked it better than the flow of Stanford matches. The other variable that might be relevant here is the number of substitutions.
As for challenges, I believe the NCAA experiment this year is 3 challenges per match per team. Of course coaches will use challenges to slow the game down, just as NCAA coaches use substitutions to do that now. But the tradeoff is getting a blocker touch call/no-call correct at 22-all, which seems like a good thing to me.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 3, 2015 9:31:13 GMT -5
The NCAA 10 minutes at the end of set 2 can be a real momentum changer. I wouldn't mind if we got rid of it, but doing so would likely have some effects other than just speeding up the match.
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 3, 2015 9:57:26 GMT -5
The NCAA 10 minutes at the end of set 2 can be a real momentum changer. I wouldn't mind if we got rid of it, but doing so would likely have some effects other than just speeding up the match. Perhaps. Women's D-III and Men's don't have an intermission, so it should be possible to calculate the difference in set 3/match outcomes (assuming that's the definition of a momentum change) over a number of seasons. Not easy, alas, as I don't know of a repository of machine-readable match results. |
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 3, 2015 9:58:53 GMT -5
Two timeouts per set is perfectly reasonable and I don't view it as a problem. What I do view as a problem, however, is the growing trend of TV coverage holding up play after a scheduled timeout. On several occasions, I've seen a team adhere to the refs whistle and return to the floor for play, only to stand there for an additional 30 or 40 seconds as the down ref waits for the TV liason at the scorers table to give him/her permission to resume action. Either extend the allotted time for time-outs, or adhere to the rule. It can lead to an unfair advantage, especially for visiting teams, in a close match. TV should follow the rules of the game...the game shouldn't be randomly altered for the convenience of TV So we are faced with the dilemma of having better access to televised volleyball, while having to suffer the consequences of TV commercials (paying for the broadcast). I guess I'll take that tradeoff. |
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 3, 2015 10:07:01 GMT -5
Two timeouts per set is perfectly reasonable and I don't view it as a problem. What I do view as a problem, however, is the growing trend of TV coverage holding up play after a scheduled timeout. On several occasions, I've seen a team adhere to the refs whistle and return to the floor for play, only to stand there for an additional 30 or 40 seconds as the down ref waits for the TV liason at the scorers table to give him/her permission to resume action. Either extend the allotted time for time-outs, or adhere to the rule. It can lead to an unfair advantage, especially for visiting teams, in a close match. TV should follow the rules of the game...the game shouldn't be randomly altered for the convenience of TV So we are faced with the dilemma of having better access to televised volleyball, while having to suffer the consequences of TV commercials (paying for the broadcast). I guess I'll take that tradeoff. This is where I think two technical timeouts, in addition to team timeouts, would help. TV wouldn't need to lengthen the timeouts if they got more of them--especially guaranteed ones. My understanding is that coaches tend to feel that long timeouts are particularly helpful because they can't really expect players to absorb a lot of information during a timeout. |
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