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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 3, 2015 16:53:07 GMT -5
Maybe this guy is a creeper ? Hard to believe this school (or the parents filing the complaint) would go to this much trouble if they weren't legitimately concerned. Funny how everyone is just automatically blasting the school 1) Define "creeper". 2) Now tell me how you know if someone is a "creeper" or not.
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Post by volleytology on Oct 3, 2015 17:42:12 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual.
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Post by bigfan on Oct 3, 2015 17:47:18 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual. I have never heard of somebody being profiled at a college sporting event.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 3, 2015 17:48:09 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual. That's roughly what I guessed you would say. According to that definition, any guy by himself is a "creeper" if he "hangs around" too long for your "radar". By your definition, I would be a "creeper". One thing that is very annoying about being a middle-aged male fan of women's college volleyball is getting profiled by people like you. It's entirely possible that yes, this is profiling, but gender profiling rather than racial profiling.
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Post by roy on Oct 3, 2015 17:49:27 GMT -5
Like others, I have a couple of questions, observations, and general comments.
1) Large, private institution could mean anything. Some very well known schools in both major sports and academics have almost no following in volleyball, even in the major BCS conferences. How big is their volleyball program and how many fans were in attendance? Which leads me to my second point.
2) How many matches have you attended in the past? You say you have attended for several years, which is why this situation seems very confusing to me. If you've gotten to know some of those who usually attend the match, especially local club coaches, many times the coaches or the booster club will reach out to continue to get you to come to the matches and support the team. Most of those who attend matches are family and family friends of the players, direct friends of the players themselves (i.e. other athletes, college friends, etc.), and the community supporters. It doesn't sound like you fit into the first two, and usually the coaches are more than willing to reach out to the fans to get support (ticket sales, donations, etc.).
3) Like others have asked, what is a bit vocal? Depending on the school, vocal could mean a lot of things. I don't see a lot of programs in volleyball with fans being vocal towards their own team in a match. Perhaps it was a situation where they thought you were a fan of the opposing team...
Again, just looking for more information and not trying to point blame in anyone one place.
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Post by volleytology on Oct 3, 2015 17:54:24 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual. That's roughly what I guessed you would say. According to that definition, any guy by himself is a "creeper" if he "hangs around" too long for your "radar". By your definition, I would be a "creeper". One thing that is very annoying about being a middle-aged male fan of women's college volleyball is getting profiled by people like you. It's entirely possible that yes, this is profiling, but gender profiling rather than racial profiling. Like me ? No, this was a particular set of parents that felt so strongly about this guys behavior that they alerted the authorities and the school decided to ban him from future events. Not sure what I have to do with this; I'm just not jumping on the aclu bandwagon on this one. Gender profiling ?... Wow
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Post by volleycoach75 on Oct 3, 2015 18:11:06 GMT -5
That's roughly what I guessed you would say. According to that definition, any guy by himself is a "creeper" if he "hangs around" too long for your "radar". By your definition, I would be a "creeper". One thing that is very annoying about being a middle-aged male fan of women's college volleyball is getting profiled by people like you. It's entirely possible that yes, this is profiling, but gender profiling rather than racial profiling. Like me ? No, this was a particular set of parents that felt so strongly about this guys behavior that they alerted the authorities and the school decided to ban him from future events. Not sure what I have to do with this; I'm just not jumping on the aclu bandwagon on this one. Gender profiling ?... Wow Based on some of the obnoxious player-parent combos I have dealt with over the last 20 years I could very easily see it going like this: OP makes comments about players too near to parents of that player. Mom and dad get pissed keep close tabs on OP to see what his connection, if any, is. OP lingers, as he mentioned, to see if any other coaches or friends may have been at the game. Angry parents see OP hanging around and decide that him hanging around plus his unfavorable comments toward their daughter make him suspicious. Angry parents tell coach and or administrators OP is being sketchy. I am not saying it happened but I am saying that based on things I have seen in college athletics it could very likely be some profiling based on pissed off parents...
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Post by chickenwingqueen on Oct 3, 2015 18:28:51 GMT -5
what, exactly, did you say that caused these (parents) to be alarmed?
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Post by Not Me on Oct 3, 2015 18:44:04 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual. And if the school does nothing about these complaints, then they are hit by a title IX complaint. Or if the person in question does turn out to be a stalker and something does happen, they look bad. Basically if someone makes a complaint to the school police, they have to act in some way, or they become liable.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 3, 2015 19:51:05 GMT -5
Basically a weirdo that hangs around after a match by himself watching players and parents. Usually your radar goes off on guys like this, especially parents of young women. Apparently, his behavior created the need for fairly extreme measures by the school and police; which I would guess is highly unusual. And if the school does nothing about these complaints, then they are hit by a title IX complaint. Or if the person in question does turn out to be a stalker and something does happen, they look bad. Basically if someone makes a complaint to the school police, they have to act in some way, or they become liable. I don't see any problem with campus police questioning him if they received or were notified of a complaint. To trespass him from attending all future matches based simply, if we are to believe the OP, on someone being "uncomfortable", seems excessive. If he honestly believes he was discriminated against because of his race or ethnicity, then, yes, he should contact the ACLU. If he was trespassed due to comments made in the stands, as long as they weren't inflammatory or demeaning, that could be a free speech issue.
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Post by Garand on Oct 3, 2015 20:26:10 GMT -5
IF profiling did occur, I think gender profiling is more likely in this case than racial or ethnic profiling. I know of a case where a "creep" was arrested at an SCVA club tourney for skulking around and taking pictures of certain 17's players. It happens. Maybe that was the greater concern of the parents.
That said, I'd still like to know more about the "vocal" behavior. Would the OP care to expand on that?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 3, 2015 21:24:37 GMT -5
That's why I added "if we are to believe the OP". If he feels he has a legitimate complaint, then, yeah, he should follow it up. We're only hearing one side of the story, however. If there is more to it than he's letting on, then he might not want to follow it up. I'm not going to simply assume there is, however.
I'm an older male (mid-60s) who attends volleyball matches by myself - I do so because I'm a life-long sports fan who thinks volleyball is a pure sport that hasn't been corrupted by the senseless hype and macho violence that has afflicted football and basketball. I also attend softball games, which don't have players running around in shorts, so it follows that that isn't why I go to volleyball matches either. It is also great entertainment for a very affordable price.
Maybe unattached male fans of women's sports are a rarity in other parts of the country, but they certainly aren't at UW volleyball matches. If unattached single male fans outnumber similar female fans by 5 to 1, for instance, that is most likely simply because that is the male:female ratio of sports fans in general. That is not far from the ratio of male:female posters here.
I will say that I don't go down after matches and "mingle" on the floor or try to associate with the players in any way. While I feel that I "know" them in some ways, I also know that I don't.
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Post by bigfanofbigfan on Oct 3, 2015 21:38:17 GMT -5
The OP has been silent so far...
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Post by touchline on Oct 3, 2015 21:43:01 GMT -5
Thanks for some of the well thought out responses, starting with Newenglander. Since some have urged to name the school, it was Duke University. Of course this University has been the subject of all sorts of claims involving the athletic department and former student athletes that you've seen in the news. The criticism I made was regarding that someone looked inexperienced at the OH position, making too many unforced errors. Some possible parents hearing that and me simply standing in the bleachers after the event looking for anybody I know that might be there, probably provoked a few to size me up as not belonging there. Would it be different if I was another race standing there by myself? Not sure. What's actually creepy is that event staff even smiled at me while I was there and even exchanged pleasantries, and a family even asked me to take a photo of them with their student athlete. Meanwhile someone is secretly calling the campus police, while there are several uniformed athletic event staff members just standing around having a good time. I don't get approached till I'm in the darn parking lot at my car. If there was any concern at all couldn't a staff member do their job and speak to spectators and clear up anything?? I will need to get a refund for my Football tickets and even precious Basketball tickets at the school. Looks like the General Counsel's office will do that since I brought up that possible profiling took place and asked them to investigate. I guess legally they can ban anyone unless its discriminatory, but this is a tight rope in my opinion. Again I don't blame the coaching staff, in these situations they gotta please the parents, over some random spectator who works with a local club. I was considering attending the NC State Match this weekend, but probably will pass on it. Don't want any headaches. I don't want to invest in lawyering up over this. I attached the email I got from the lawyer about submitting receipts for tickets purchased. I have been to probably over 10 matches at Duke over the past few years and never had any issues until this one time. I know people that go to the matches from a local club and talk with them when I see them at the matches, but otherwise I keep to myself. It seems someone implied here that knowing someone there is a prereq to attend. I attached an email I got from the Lawyer's office there. I blocked all individual names on it. Attachments:
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Post by volleycoach75 on Oct 3, 2015 21:54:05 GMT -5
Thanks for some of the well thought out responses, starting with Newenglander. Since some have urged to name the school, it was Duke University. Of course this University has been the subject of all sorts of claims involving the athletic department and former student athletes that you've seen in the news. The criticism I made was regarding that someone looked inexperienced at the OH position, making too many unforced errors. Some possible parents hearing that and me simply standing in the bleachers after the event looking for anybody I know that might be there, probably provoked a few to size me up as not belonging there. Would it be different if I was another race standing there by myself? Not sure. What's actually creepy is that event staff even smiled at me while I was there and even exchanged pleasantries, and a family even asked me to take a photo of them with their student athlete. Meanwhile someone is secretly calling the campus police, while there are several uniformed athletic event staff members just standing around having a good time. I don't get approached till I'm in the darn parking lot at my car. If there was any concern at all couldn't a staff member do their job and speak to spectators and clear up anything?? I will need to get a refund for my Football tickets and even precious Basketball tickets at the school. Looks like the General Counsel's office will do that since I brought up that possible profiling took place and asked them to investigate. I guess legally they can ban anyone unless its discriminatory, but this is a tight rope in my opinion. Again I don't blame the coaching staff, in these situations they gotta please the parents, over some random spectator who works with a local club. I was considering attending the NC State Match this weekend, but probably will pass on it. Don't want any headaches. I don't want to invest in lawyering up over this. I attached the email I got from the lawyer about submitting receipts for tickets purchased. I have been to probably over 10 matches at Duke over the past few years and never had any issues until this one time. I know people that go to the matches from a local club and talk with them when I see them at the matches, but otherwise I keep to myself. It seems someone implied here that knowing someone there is a prereq to attend. I attached an email I got from the Lawyer's office there. I blocked all individual names on it. View AttachmentI had a feeling it was Duke. Sounds like N. Carolina to me. And when you said they had a lawyer contact you... total Duke move.
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