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Post by ay2013 on Nov 9, 2015 20:01:19 GMT -5
Missouri could still win the SEC and Louisville has a good chance to win the ACC, if they do, they should be seeded. Is there a rule that certain conference champions must host? Their [projected] RPI wouldn't seem to justify it. Hawaii will almost certainly win the Big West - they're not going to host.  why ask dumb questions. obviously no such rule exists, especially considering their are 30+ conferences. |
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Post by flvoldad on Nov 9, 2015 20:06:52 GMT -5
Missouri could still win the the SEC or also could lose 3 or 4 of their last games....what then...Louisville could also next weekend have a tough weekend...we just have to wait and see
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Post by trojansc on Nov 9, 2015 20:19:51 GMT -5
Missouri could still win the SEC and Louisville has a good chance to win the ACC, if they do, they should be seeded. Is there a rule that certain conference champions must host? Their [projected] RPI wouldn't seem to justify it. Hawaii will almost certainly win the Big West - they're not going to host. Well, if Louisville beats FSU, no way FSU is seeded over Louisville. And well, Missouri would have a seeded team resume if they win out. Both should be seeded. Hawaii is behind both of those teams in RPI terms |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 9, 2015 20:24:01 GMT -5
Missouri could still win the the SEC or also could lose 3 or 4 of their last games....what then...Louisville could also next weekend have a tough weekend...we just have to wait and see You're right, but its looking like Missouri vs. Texas A&M will be a big game! As with Louisville/FSU |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 9, 2015 20:47:30 GMT -5
Is there a rule that certain conference champions must host? Their [projected] RPI wouldn't seem to justify it. Hawaii will almost certainly win the Big West - they're not going to host. Well, if Louisville beats FSU, no way FSU is seeded over Louisville. And well, Missouri would have a seeded team resume if they win out. Both should be seeded. Hawaii is behind both of those teams in RPI terms Yeah, they are- that's why RPI is a faulty measuring tool. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 10, 2015 1:10:21 GMT -5
Well, if Louisville beats FSU, no way FSU is seeded over Louisville. And well, Missouri would have a seeded team resume if they win out. Both should be seeded. Hawaii is behind both of those teams in RPI terms Yeah, they are- that's why RPI is a faulty measuring tool. It's not a terrible measuring tool, the problem is there is too much emphasis on it. It should be one of many equally weighed factors |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 10, 2015 2:04:23 GMT -5
Is there a rule that certain conference champions must host? Their [projected] RPI wouldn't seem to justify it. Hawaii will almost certainly win the Big West - they're not going to host. why ask dumb questions. obviously no such rule exists, especially considering their are 30+ conferences. I know there is no such rule. I can see the SEC champ being a virtual lock for a seed, but not necessarily the ACC champ (a weaker conference). My original point was simply that RPI Futures looked to be favoring Texas A&M over Missouri and Florida State over Louisville. Is that right? Heck if I know. |
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Post by frustratedsetter on Nov 10, 2015 11:29:51 GMT -5
Well, if Louisville beats FSU, no way FSU is seeded over Louisville. And well, Missouri would have a seeded team resume if they win out. Both should be seeded. Hawaii is behind both of those teams in RPI terms Yeah, they are- that's why RPI is a faulty measuring tool. Faulty as it is, the committee will not be changing anytime soon. It's a matter of Hawai'i being willing to play the RPI game. I'm thinking that when Dave retires, hopefully the new Hawai'i coach will be able to maneuver and work the RPI to the Wahine's advantage. (I know you can only do so much with the conference Hawai'i is playing in, but I can be hopeful that a preconference schedule can make enough of an impact) |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2015 11:42:32 GMT -5
Yeah, they are- that's why RPI is a faulty measuring tool. Faulty as it is, the committee will not be changing anytime soon. It's a matter of Hawai'i being willing to play the RPI game. I'm thinking that when Dave retires, hopefully the new Hawai'i coach will be able to maneuver and work the RPI to the Wahine's advantage. (I know you can only do so much with the conference Hawai'i is playing in, but I can be hopeful that a preconference schedule can make enough of an impact) I prefer Hawaii not play the RPI game. I don't think much changes for Hawaii moving forward. Hawaii is not going to give up its preconference tournaments chasing phantom RPI boosters, that's a terrible trade off. |
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Post by frustratedsetter on Nov 10, 2015 12:00:55 GMT -5
Faulty as it is, the committee will not be changing anytime soon. It's a matter of Hawai'i being willing to play the RPI game. I'm thinking that when Dave retires, hopefully the new Hawai'i coach will be able to maneuver and work the RPI to the Wahine's advantage. (I know you can only do so much with the conference Hawai'i is playing in, but I can be hopeful that a preconference schedule can make enough of an impact) I prefer Hawaii not play the RPI game. I don't think much changes for Hawaii moving forward. Hawaii is not going to give up its preconference tournaments chasing phantom RPI boosters, that's a terrible trade off. IF Hawaii won against UCLA, what would have their RPI been? Would it have matter? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 10, 2015 12:04:02 GMT -5
I prefer Hawaii not play the RPI game. I don't think much changes for Hawaii moving forward. Hawaii is not going to give up its preconference tournaments chasing phantom RPI boosters, that's a terrible trade off. IF Hawaii won against UCLA, what would have their RPI been? Would it have matter? The only thing that would have changed is the "own percentage" part of RPI. RPI doesn't care who you beat and who you lose to. It only cares who you play. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 10, 2015 13:02:25 GMT -5
I prefer Hawaii not play the RPI game. I don't think much changes for Hawaii moving forward. Hawaii is not going to give up its preconference tournaments chasing phantom RPI boosters, that's a terrible trade off. IF Hawaii won against UCLA, what would have their RPI been? Would it have matter? As Mike mentioned above. I doubt it would have mattered much. Seeing 8 and 9 loss teams ahead of Hawai'i in the RPI really highlights the ridiculousness of the use of this system. With that said, some seeded team is going to have to beat an AVCA top 10 team in the second round just to get to the regionals. It's unfair for Hawai'i but also unfair to whomever has to host them in the 2nd round. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 10, 2015 13:23:10 GMT -5
Yeah, they are- that's why RPI is a faulty measuring tool. Faulty as it is, the committee will not be changing anytime soon. It's a matter of Hawai'i being willing to play the RPI game. I'm thinking that when Dave retires, hopefully the new Hawai'i coach will be able to maneuver and work the RPI to the Wahine's advantage. (I know you can only do so much with the conference Hawai'i is playing in, but I can be hopeful that a preconference schedule can make enough of an impact) He has traveled, so I don't think it is a matter of him not wanting to "play the RPI game". He might have input into the setting of his budget, but he doesn't control it. Why would the AD and President agree to increase his travel budget if it means both adding costs and reducing revenues? What could force their hand, however, would be if the NCAA added home and away weights to its RPI formula. To accommodate Hawaii, they could allow Hawaii to host a tourney a week earlier than the rest of the country, so they could schedule a travel week, only having to deal with added costs, but not also lost revenues. Additionally, promoting the Silverswords to Div 1 could give Hawaii a road match without having to leave the Islands. |
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Post by frustratedsetter on Nov 10, 2015 13:24:13 GMT -5
Faulty as it is, the committee will not be changing anytime soon. It's a matter of Hawai'i being willing to play the RPI game. I'm thinking that when Dave retires, hopefully the new Hawai'i coach will be able to maneuver and work the RPI to the Wahine's advantage. (I know you can only do so much with the conference Hawai'i is playing in, but I can be hopeful that a preconference schedule can make enough of an impact) He has traveled, so I don't think it is a matter of him not wanting to "play the RPI game". He might have input into the setting of his budget, he doesn't control it. Why would the AD and President agree to increase his travel budget if it means both adding costs and reducing revenues? What could force their hand, however, would be if the NCAA added home and away weights to its RPI formula. To accommodate Hawaii, they could allow Hawaii to host a tourney a week earlier than the rest of the country, so they could schedule a travel week, only having to deal with added costs, but not also lost revenues. Additionally, promoting the Silverswords to Div 1 could give Hawaii a road match without having to leave the Islands. I'm hoping that since the NCAA is sending Hawaii away anyway, why not send them all the way to Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Louisville, or Arkansas? |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Nov 10, 2015 13:49:37 GMT -5
I'm hoping that since the NCAA is sending Hawaii away anyway, why not send them all the way to Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Louisville, or Arkansas? They need to bring in six teams for the two L.A. subregionals, but only three are within 400 miles: LMU (WCC), San Diego (WCC), and Long Beach State (BW), and the latter is a bubble team. How about a rematch with UCLA? |
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why ask dumb questions. obviously no such rule exists, especially considering their are 30+ conferences. 
