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Post by dd2000 on Nov 24, 2015 13:32:33 GMT -5
What happened to Hawai`i? AVCA rank of # 8, but only 25 RPI. The committee seeds according to RPI. |
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Post by MTC on Nov 24, 2015 13:53:42 GMT -5
There should be a lot of incentive for the Huskers to finish strong this week for their seeding. There is a lot of incentive for most teams to finish strong. Not sure why Nebraska's would be greater than PSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota....... I didn't say it would be greater than PSU, Wisconsin, Minnesota... did I?  |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 24, 2015 14:01:47 GMT -5
I would suggest it is likely (50% chance or better), but there are also many options. I don't understand what part makes no sense. Per Pablo rating, Louisville is #13, Western Kentucky is #25, and Kentucky is #33. This would not be the toughest subregional. Compare to a likely subregional of #30 Missouri, #15 Illinois and #27 Arkansas State (also not going to be the toughest) although the favorite will not be the host. I assumed the selection committee goes by RPI and not Pablo. They definitely don't use Pablo. Seems to rely a lot on RPI for seeding (the 16 seeds) and almost completely for the at large selections. Appears to use very little of RPI in determining the other 3 teams in the subregional, more interested in maximizing the number of teams able to drive to the site. This could be a test case for if (how much) they use RPI in determining the other 3 teams. They have the option to fly Western Kentucky somewhere instead of someone else - 30% of the unseeded teams are within driving distance of Louisville. |
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Post by seymour8 on Nov 24, 2015 14:08:29 GMT -5
I tend to think Western Kentucky will go to Louisville. Kentucky will go to Ohio State. #3 in subregional could be Lipscomb in MVC goes to Illinois State. Otherwise, Lipscomb will be #4 and go up against Louisville. Just my thinking at this moment.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 24, 2015 14:09:39 GMT -5
And Hawai'i will go to San Diego via Stanford.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:12:03 GMT -5
What happened to Hawai`i? AVCA rank of # 8, but only 25 RPI. The committee seeds according to RPI. Did PSU have an RPI of 8 last year and receive a 5th seed? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:14:24 GMT -5
That would mean sending the Minnesota/Nebraska/Stanford/Ohio State bracket to Lexington, instead of the more logical location of Des Moines. Nebraska in the Des Moines regional could be the difference in 3-5,000 tickets. Hard to imagine they don't end up there as a 4,5,6 depending on how they finish this week. Lots of money at stake. Didn't stop them from messing up the Minneapolis regional last year. The Nebraska exception needs to stop. No one else gets it. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 24, 2015 14:32:51 GMT -5
What happened to Hawai`i? AVCA rank of # 8, but only 25 RPI. The committee seeds according to RPI. Actually, not really. They use it, but it's not nearly as relied upon as it is for selection. For seeding, they pay a lot more attention to the nitty-gritty. Things like top 25 wins and top 50. Of course, that doesn't help Hawaii (1-1, 2-1 against the top 50 overall) in the least, as they don't compare well to the other teams. Who are you going to jump them over, aside from Arkansas St? Texas A&M? 1-1 top 25, 4-2 top 50. Kentucky? 2-7, 2-9. Yeah, lots of losses, but lots of top 25 matches, too. Louisville? 2-5, 6-5. Not even close. And all of these teams have the advantage of having better RPI ranks, better SOS, better good wins than Hawaii. By committee criteria, Hawaii's not in the running for a seed. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 24, 2015 14:38:16 GMT -5
I'd love to see Hawai'i cream whomever they put agains't them. We will see how "Numbers" pan out. Hawai'i is much more dangerous than people like to think. Trust and believe.
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Post by hammer on Nov 24, 2015 14:46:23 GMT -5
I'd love to see Hawai'i cream whomever they put agains't them. We will see how "Numbers" pan out. Hawai'i is much more dangerous than people like to think. Trust and believe. I hear you and believe me I believe you now. Everybody on this board, get ready to get pumped up ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 14:50:53 GMT -5
Hawaii is ranked in the top 10. Pablo has them near there. Who exactly thinks the RPI is an accurate representation of the quality of the team?
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 24, 2015 15:26:12 GMT -5
AVCA rank of # 8, but only 25 RPI. The committee seeds according to RPI. Actually, not really. They use it, but it's not nearly as relied upon as it is for selection. For seeding, they pay a lot more attention to the nitty-gritty. Things like top 25 wins and top 50. Of course, that doesn't help Hawaii (1-1, 2-1 against the top 50 overall) in the least, as they don't compare well to the other teams. Who are you going to jump them over, aside from Arkansas St? Texas A&M? 1-1 top 25, 4-2 top 50. Kentucky? 2-7, 2-9. Yeah, lots of losses, but lots of top 25 matches, too. Louisville? 2-5, 6-5. Not even close. And all of these teams have the advantage of having better RPI ranks, better SOS, better good wins than Hawaii. By committee criteria, Hawaii's not in the running for a seed. If you look at those Louisville and Kentucky results in terms of percentage of wins against that top 25 and top 50 field, it doesn't look so good. 2 of 7, 2 of 9? Not impressed. Don't take this to mean I am arguing for Hawaii to host. Hawaii needed to have a few more top 50 RPI teams on their schedule, and they did not. That said, no one would put their money on Texas A and M, or Louisville or Kentucky should they meet Hawaii in the tournament. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 24, 2015 15:48:00 GMT -5
Actually, not really. They use it, but it's not nearly as relied upon as it is for selection. For seeding, they pay a lot more attention to the nitty-gritty. Things like top 25 wins and top 50. Of course, that doesn't help Hawaii (1-1, 2-1 against the top 50 overall) in the least, as they don't compare well to the other teams. Who are you going to jump them over, aside from Arkansas St? Texas A&M? 1-1 top 25, 4-2 top 50. Kentucky? 2-7, 2-9. Yeah, lots of losses, but lots of top 25 matches, too. Louisville? 2-5, 6-5. Not even close. And all of these teams have the advantage of having better RPI ranks, better SOS, better good wins than Hawaii. By committee criteria, Hawaii's not in the running for a seed. If you look at those Louisville and Kentucky results in terms of percentage of wins against that top 25 and top 50 field, Why would you do that? Is that what the committee does? Ans: not really, no it isn't. As I said, if you look at the criteria the committee uses, not your criteria. Teams don't get punished for playing lots of good opponents. They get rewarded for beating them. |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 24, 2015 15:50:21 GMT -5
The NCAA is going to leave out a team with a 24 RPI? |
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Post by trojansc on Nov 24, 2015 15:52:02 GMT -5
Missing a significant win for Michigan... On Nov 14 they swept Ohio State in Columbus. Yes, both Ohio -and- Ohio State should be in their significant win list. Sorry, I forgot to include that win, but it is a major reason why Michigan is a comfortable bubble team. They are almost certainly in. |
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