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Post by Cruz'n on Nov 18, 2015 22:46:52 GMT -5
The potential for 2 AVCA top 10 teams to meet in the second round of the tourney is a travesty. This scenario is the direct result of the Committee's over reliance on a faulty ratings system. No it is not a travesty that any combination of AVCA ranked teams meets in any round. It is a silly useless poll good only for getting some minimal press out about the sport. That you think AVCA matters for NCAA tournament is a travesty. I understand the reasons for using RPI. But you are sorely mistaken if you think the RPI is a better measure for ranking teams than the AVCA poll. Not even close. |
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Post by vbman100 on Nov 19, 2015 8:36:24 GMT -5
Bracketology (11/16)20 conference tournaments will be played this week.
Big East and Missouri Valley Conference have tournaments next week.
NCAA Selection show on Sunday, November 29th.**will update Auto-Qualifiers as they win their conference
**will update at-large information/bid predictions on Mon. Nov 23rd & Sat. Nov 29th(end of regular season)32 Projected Conference Champions (Auto-Qualifiers)*regular season champion determines bid, no tournament
* ACC – Louisville (13) America East – Albany (138) * AAC – Southern Methodist (25) Atlantic 10 – Dayton (29) Atlantic Sun – Lipscomb (58) *Big 10 – Minnesota (1) *Big 12 – Texas (2) Big East – Creighton (20) Big Sky – Northern Arizona (41) Big South – Coastal Carolina (83) *Big West – Hawaii (27) Colonial – UNC Wilmington (66) Conference USA – Western Kentucky (19) Horizon – Cleveland State (75) *Ivy – Princeton (142) MAAC – Rider (281) MAC – Ohio (57) MEAC – Bethune Cookman (261) MVC – Wichita State (30) *MWC – Colorado State (28) NEC – Bryant (218) OVC – Murray State (95) *Pac-12 – Southern California (3) Patriot – American (80) *SEC – Texas A&M (14) SoCon – Chattanooga (77) Southland – Texas A&M Corpus-Christi (76) Summit – IUPUI (112) Sun Belt – Arkansas St (18) SWAC – Jackson State (316) WAC – New Mexico State (69) *WCC – BYU (17) Just curious how you chose the Auto-qualifiers. I see some of them are 4th or 5th seeds in their conf tournament. Is the number in ( ) the RPI or Pablo? |
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Post by jaypak on Nov 19, 2015 10:27:08 GMT -5
Is there any chance of Arkansas State receiving a seed if they win the Sun Belt Tournament and finish 28-1? How about a potential 29-3 Western Kentucky with the win over Wisconsin?
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 19, 2015 10:44:14 GMT -5
Is there any chance of Arkansas State receiving a seed if they win the Sun Belt Tournament and finish 28-1? How about a potential 29-3 Western Kentucky with the win over Wisconsin? Arkansas St won't be seeded. Not even close. WKU at least has that win over Wisconsin, and could get some consideration. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 19, 2015 12:06:36 GMT -5
As I see it, looks like the 16 seeds have kind of broken from the rest.
10 Locks: USC, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Texas, Kansas, Florida
3 Near locks: UCLA, Stanford, Texas A&M
That leaves just 3 spots left, with the clear favorites being: Missouri, Louisville, and BYU.
Hard to find who could get back into the picture. Iowa State, Kentucky and Illinois pretty much got eliminated from consideration last night. I suppose Kentucky gets back in the picture if one of those last 3 teams totally collapses. Western Kentucky is in the picture as probably the next team if someone falters. I agree that Arkansas State really doesn't have a chance along with Creighton. UNC is possibly in better shape than Florida State, but I don't see how either can get their. Hawaii - I doubt it. Is it possible that the committee takes Western Kentucky instead of BYU if WKU squeezes past them in the final RPI? There would be some improved travel considerations - although after last year hopefully they learned not to keep BYU out of a seed.
BTW, Wisconsin passed Florida to #4 in the RPI Futures last night. Washington is up to #6 - looking like a decent chance for a Wisconsin/Washington Lexington regional? Penn State falls behind Nebraska and Kansas and close to UCLA in the 9/10 spot.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 19, 2015 12:50:36 GMT -5
Hawaii - I doubt it. Is it possible that the committee takes Western Kentucky instead of BYU if WKU squeezes past them in the final RPI? There would be some improved travel considerations - although after last year hopefully they learned not to keep BYU out of a seed. Let me start off by saying that I support BYU getting a seed, they're close enough to the top 16 in RPI. With that said, why should last year's results matter? Should the Committee pick and choose which teams get credit for past year's tourney performances? |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 19, 2015 12:57:58 GMT -5
As I see it, looks like the 16 seeds have kind of broken from the rest. 10 Locks: USC, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State, Texas, Kansas, Florida 3 Near locks: UCLA, Stanford, Texas A&M That leaves just 3 spots left, with the clear favorites being: Missouri, Louisville, and BYU. Hard to find who could get back into the picture. Iowa State, Kentucky and Illinois pretty much got eliminated from consideration last night. I suppose Kentucky gets back in the picture if one of those last 3 teams totally collapses. Western Kentucky is in the picture as probably the next team if someone falters. I agree that Arkansas State really doesn't have a chance along with Creighton. UNC is possibly in better shape than Florida State, but I don't see how either can get their. Hawaii - I doubt it. Is it possible that the committee takes Western Kentucky instead of BYU if WKU squeezes past them in the final RPI? There would be some improved travel considerations - although after last year hopefully they learned not to keep BYU out of a seed. BTW, Wisconsin passed Florida to #4 in the RPI Futures last night. Washington is up to #6 - looking like a decent chance for a Wisconsin/Washington Lexington regional? Penn State falls behind Nebraska and Kansas and close to UCLA in the 9/10 spot. As a Washington fan I would much rather have Wisconsin in a regional than Penn State. How about 1-USC/8-Florida 2-Minnesota/7-Nebraska 3-Texas/6-Penn State 4-Washington/5-Wisconsin |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 19, 2015 13:00:18 GMT -5
Regional pairings are fun to consider but these teams need to get to the regionals first (yeah I know you all know but I'll say it anyway.)
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 19, 2015 13:09:06 GMT -5
Regional pairings are fun to consider but these teams need to get to the regionals first (yeah I know you all know but I'll say it anyway.) I think any of the top 8 have the best chance to get there. It's pretty close. The next 8, however, are not so clear at all and, depending on matchups, could even be a long shot to get even to regionals. No doubt Hawaii would have a great shot in a lot of the sub-regionals. Where are they going to end up, though? Not Missouri or Kentucky, who have teams within driving distance. TAMU? They've shown they beat Florida at home, but will they go there? I doubt it. They've gotta fly, and Washington is going to have to have teams fly in, so that seems the most likely outcome (again). And beating Washington is a tall order. Or USC. |
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Post by tomclen on Nov 19, 2015 13:13:08 GMT -5
As another Washington fan, I would much rather see Penn State - and sooner rather than later.
And despite a few stumbles this year, they're still the reigning national champs.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 19, 2015 13:18:25 GMT -5
Hawaii - I doubt it. Is it possible that the committee takes Western Kentucky instead of BYU if WKU squeezes past them in the final RPI? There would be some improved travel considerations - although after last year hopefully they learned not to keep BYU out of a seed. Let me start off by saying that I support BYU getting a seed, they're close enough to the top 16 in RPI. With that said, why should last year's results matter? Should the Committee pick and choose which teams get credit for past year's tourney performances? Agreed. My comment was in relation to only relying on RPI is a bad choice evidenced by BYU last year - but then there are many more examples other than BYU. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 19, 2015 13:23:15 GMT -5
Regional pairings are fun to consider but these teams need to get to the regionals first (yeah I know you all know but I'll say it anyway.) I think any of the top 8 have the best chance to get there. It's pretty close. The next 8, however, are not so clear at all and, depending on matchups, could even be a long shot to get even to regionals. No doubt Hawaii would have a great shot in a lot of the sub-regionals. Where are they going to end up, though? Not Missouri or Kentucky, who have teams within driving distance. TAMU? They've shown they beat Florida at home, but will they go there? I doubt it. They've gotta fly, and Washington is going to have to have teams fly in, so that seems the most likely outcome (again). And beating Washington is a tall order. Or USC. Agreed, and that is my concern. It's not fair to Hawai'i but also not fair to USC or Washington. Yeah, I know that the Committee does not concern itself with fairness but pairing a high seed against another team that is in the top 10 in the AVCA poll (if Hawai'i wins out as anticipated) in a subregional defeats the purpose of seeding (at least to me). The only sub regional that will allow for this scenario is the sub regional that has Hawai'i in it. The NCAA used the 9/11 attacks to justify travel requirements but it isn't a valid excuse anymore. For once, I would like an unseeded Wahine team to travel to the Midwest or Eastern part of the country to get a fair shot. It'll be Washington, it has to be because it is a fit for the NCAA based on travel requirements. Not enough tourney eligible teams in the Pacific Northwest. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 19, 2015 13:27:09 GMT -5
Let me start off by saying that I support BYU getting a seed, they're close enough to the top 16 in RPI. With that said, why should last year's results matter? Should the Committee pick and choose which teams get credit for past year's tourney performances? Agreed. My comment was in relation to only relying on RPI is a bad choice evidenced by BYU last year - but then there are many more examples other than BYU. Yeah, as much as I'd like the committee to learn from their mistakes, they don't seem to. I keep hoping, at some point, after watching seeded SEC teams get knocked out by unseeded Big Ten teams, they might come to the conclusion that this approach they are using to seed teams isn't working very well. Maybe they'll say, yeah, Missouri has a top 16 RPI, but this is exactly the type of team that we've seeded in the past that has been a complete bust, and so maybe we shouldn't seed them this time around. But it is a dream, with little chance of coming true. |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 19, 2015 13:27:27 GMT -5
Regional pairings are fun to consider but these teams need to get to the regionals first (yeah I know you all know but I'll say it anyway.) True, but top 8 seeds usually make it to regionals, ESPECIALLY Pac/Big teams. In fact, in the last 5 years, of the 40 top 8 seeds, only UCLA and Nebraska (once each) have not made the top 8 from the Pac and Big. |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Nov 19, 2015 13:29:56 GMT -5
Regional pairings are fun to consider but these teams need to get to the regionals first (yeah I know you all know but I'll say it anyway.) True, but top 8 seeds usually make it to regionals, ESPECIALLY Pac/Big teams. In fact, in the last 5 years, of the 40 top 8 seeds, only UCLA and Nebraska (once each) have not made the top 8 from the Pac and Big. That's just frickin amazing. How many top 8 seeds from the other conferences didn't make the regional finals? |
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