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Post by shotcaller on Feb 8, 2016 15:12:41 GMT -5
On what basis do you say that? Because I think they're good coaches. More importantly, they have a two-time National Champion coach who just reinvented himself last season. There's no doubt about it, Mick is a proven winner, and what he did last season was nothing short of remarkable. Jason has been at SC for a while now and Mick obviously has a lot of faith in him & Nicole brings that championship experience which just can't be replaced. I just hope Mick has done his research on the other guy...from what I've found he's left a trail of destruction...fired in Montana, where no one I've asked had a good thing to say about him, left Ohio under a cloud too...hope it works out best for all involved |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 15:25:53 GMT -5
Because I think they're good coaches. More importantly, they have a two-time National Champion coach who just reinvented himself last season. There's no doubt about it, Mick is a proven winner, and what he did last season was nothing short of remarkable. Jason has been at SC for a while now and Mick obviously has a lot of faith in him & Nicole brings that championship experience which just can't be replaced. I just hope Mick has done his research on the other guy...from what I've found he's left a trail of destruction...fired in Montana, where no one I've asked had a good thing to say about him, left Ohio under a cloud too...hope it works out best for all involved I am unaware of any specifics you mention. Perhaps if those are indeed true, Mick may see it as a major mentoring possibility. But at 72/3 is that something he really wants to take on? Regardless, I'm a big fan of Mick and trust that he made the best decisions for his program. |
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Post by bill on Feb 8, 2016 17:14:44 GMT -5
A three-time NC coach, a two-time NCAA champion libero, and a very hungry/passionate Kyle. Ah yes, thanks for the correction. If I have to hear this 'reinvented himself' %*$# one more time I will puke! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 17:26:11 GMT -5
Ah yes, thanks for the correction. If I have to hear this 'reinvented himself' %*$# one more time I will puke! Well, he did have a very disappointing 2014, followed by a very good 2015 with an offense he has never run before. That seems pretty re-inventive, especially at 72. Here's a vomit bag for you:  |
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Post by vballfreak808 on Feb 8, 2016 17:40:35 GMT -5
Just saying USC has gotten pretty lucky with the timing of their recruits. In 2010 they already had Jupiter then got No. 1 recruit Fonoimoana along with the No. 1 recruiting class including Shaw, Olgard, and Hagglund. Then in 2011 Fonoimoana leaves and Jupiter, Bateman, and Williams lead the team to a Final Four. At that point it looked like a possible down season in 2012 but a late international pick-up of Bricio kept them in contention. For the 2013 season they get Nwanebu and Ruddins which along with Bricio and Hagglund led to an incredible regional final match with Washington. The 2014 season was a disappointment but they managed to get to the NCAA Tournament with Bricio, Nwanebu (injured), and rising Whittingham. Lastly the 2015 season which includes one of their best seasons in recent years managing to change their offense and blocking and reaching No. 1 for several weeks.
Now they have No. 1 recruit Lanier coming to replace Bricio and Davis and LeGrand to help fill in the depth charts. Senior seasons for Ruddins, Whittingham, and Pizzasegola so hopefully they can get back to where they were last season.
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Post by onfiya on Feb 8, 2016 20:27:06 GMT -5
Imani Davis is no depth filler. She's 6'6" and getting more awesome every day. She's a starter day 1.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Feb 9, 2016 13:02:29 GMT -5
Imani Davis is no depth filler. She's 6'6" and getting more awesome every day. She's a starter day 1. I haven't seen her play. She's very tall. Is she slow footed? Good at hitting in front of the setter? Or hits the slide? Is she a good blocker? Who would you liken her to? Ogoms? |
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Post by Longhorn20 on Feb 9, 2016 13:52:11 GMT -5
Imani Davis is no depth filler. She's 6'6" and getting more awesome every day. She's a starter day 1. I haven't seen her play. She's very tall. Is she slow footed? Good at hitting in front of the setter? Or hits the slide? Is she a good blocker? Who would you liken her to? Ogoms? Katie Slay. Phenomenal blocker. Pretty good in front of the setter, but if she gets better at attacking will be a VERY good player. |
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Post by lasvegasball on Feb 9, 2016 15:15:53 GMT -5
Imani Davis is a beast of a blocker.. Give her some time and she will be very good for SC.
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 9, 2016 17:58:27 GMT -5
Just saying USC has gotten pretty lucky with the timing of their recruits. In 2010 they already had Jupiter then got No. 1 recruit Fonoimoana along with the No. 1 recruiting class including Shaw, Olgard, and Hagglund. Then in 2011 Fonoimoana leaves and Jupiter, Bateman, and Williams lead the team to a Final Four. At that point it looked like a possible down season in 2012 but a late international pick-up of Bricio kept them in contention. For the 2013 season they get Nwanebu and Ruddins which along with Bricio and Hagglund led to an incredible regional final match with Washington. The 2014 season was a disappointment but they managed to get to the NCAA Tournament with Bricio, Nwanebu (injured), and rising Whittingham. Lastly the 2015 season which includes one of their best seasons in recent years managing to change their offense and blocking and reaching No. 1 for several weeks. Now they have No. 1 recruit Lanier coming to replace Bricio and Davis and LeGrand to help fill in the depth charts. Senior seasons for Ruddins, Whittingham, and Pizzasegola so hopefully they can get back to where they were last season. I don't understand your point. USC has been a destination volleyball program for decades. It's not uncommon for USC or for any destination volleyball program to have multiple top recruiting classes  If anything, USC getting talented players is pretty par for the course, now, how those players have worked out for USC is another story all together. IMO. in the last 5 years, the only franchise recruits that are true game changers and have had a lasting impact has been Jupiter, Bricio, and Hagglund. Considering two of them are foreign and thus outside of the normal recruiting arena, I'd say that Mick's overall development has been kind of a disappointment. Falyn was supposed to be the second coming of christ, but her freshmen season certainly wasn't some standout performance, and then we all know she couldn't handle her business off the court she she was a waste of time. Players like Bateman, Shaw, and Olgard are solid for Pac-12 roll players, but they aren't what I would consider elite level players. Ruddins ended up being completely overrated. She went as the #2 overall recruit (would have been #1 had it not been for gods third child Carlini) and she's done next to nothing for USC on the pins, and has had decent success at MB this past year though she rarely had a strong performance against any ranked team. Nwanebu had a fantastic freshmen season but has been riddled with injury the past couple years, not to mention she transferred. Thankfully they realized early that Gillis wasn't going to give them anything and let her go. Still plenty of time left to see how players like Abercrombie, Ford, Johnson and future players like Lanier will shake out...but, like I said, many of USC's top billed recruits haven't really panned out like they should have, IMO. This past year looked great for USC, but how much of that was just from very low expectations because Mick and co. had one of their worst seasons in program history (despite having tons of talent) and the fact that Pac-12 was hit hard with graduation and injuries. Frankly, I think USC will continue to get top recruits, but they need some better results with them. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 9, 2016 18:22:07 GMT -5
Jupiter has a French passport, but is a South Bay kid. She was in the same recruiting pipeline as any other SoCal player.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 9, 2016 20:52:55 GMT -5
Funny how USC has had 5 All-Americans in the last 5 years who you consider not having had a lasting impact.......
Fonoi's freshman year performance continues to be vastly understated as well.
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Post by C on Feb 10, 2016 17:02:13 GMT -5
Just saying USC has gotten pretty lucky with the timing of their recruits. In 2010 they already had Jupiter then got No. 1 recruit Fonoimoana along with the No. 1 recruiting class including Shaw, Olgard, and Hagglund. Then in 2011 Fonoimoana leaves and Jupiter, Bateman, and Williams lead the team to a Final Four. At that point it looked like a possible down season in 2012 but a late international pick-up of Bricio kept them in contention. For the 2013 season they get Nwanebu and Ruddins which along with Bricio and Hagglund led to an incredible regional final match with Washington. The 2014 season was a disappointment but they managed to get to the NCAA Tournament with Bricio, Nwanebu (injured), and rising Whittingham. Lastly the 2015 season which includes one of their best seasons in recent years managing to change their offense and blocking and reaching No. 1 for several weeks. Now they have No. 1 recruit Lanier coming to replace Bricio and Davis and LeGrand to help fill in the depth charts. Senior seasons for Ruddins, Whittingham, and Pizzasegola so hopefully they can get back to where they were last season. I don't understand your point. USC has been a destination volleyball program for decades. It's not uncommon for USC or for any destination volleyball program to have multiple top recruiting classes If anything, USC getting talented players is pretty par for the course, now, how those players have worked out for USC is another story all together. IMO. in the last 5 years, the only franchise recruits that are true game changers and have had a lasting impact has been Jupiter, Bricio, and Hagglund. Considering two of them are foreign and thus outside of the normal recruiting arena, I'd say that Mick's overall development has been kind of a disappointment. Falyn was supposed to be the second coming of christ, but her freshmen season certainly wasn't some standout performance, and then we all know she couldn't handle her business off the court she she was a waste of time. Players like Bateman, Shaw, and Olgard are solid for Pac-12 roll players, but they aren't what I would consider elite level players. Ruddins ended up being completely overrated. She went as the #2 overall recruit (would have been #1 had it not been for gods third child Carlini) and she's done next to nothing for USC on the pins, and has had decent success at MB this past year though she rarely had a strong performance against any ranked team. Nwanebu had a fantastic freshmen season but has been riddled with injury the past couple years, not to mention she transferred. Thankfully they realized early that Gillis wasn't going to give them anything and let her go. Still plenty of time left to see how players like Abercrombie, Ford, Johnson and future players like Lanier will shake out...but, like I said, many of USC's top billed recruits haven't really panned out like they should have, IMO. This past year looked great for USC, but how much of that was just from very low expectations because Mick and co. had one of their worst seasons in program history (despite having tons of talent) and the fact that Pac-12 was hit hard with graduation and injuries. Frankly, I think USC will continue to get top recruits, but they need some better results with them. I think being ranked #1 in the nation for most of the season is pretty great whether the prior season was good or bad. Falyn played pretty great her freshman actually. That was when USC was still running the high moon ball offense and she was getting kills with virtually 2 blockers in front of her every time. She was robbed of NFOY, IMO. |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 10, 2016 19:13:29 GMT -5
I don't understand your point. USC has been a destination volleyball program for decades. It's not uncommon for USC or for any destination volleyball program to have multiple top recruiting classes If anything, USC getting talented players is pretty par for the course, now, how those players have worked out for USC is another story all together. IMO. in the last 5 years, the only franchise recruits that are true game changers and have had a lasting impact has been Jupiter, Bricio, and Hagglund. Considering two of them are foreign and thus outside of the normal recruiting arena, I'd say that Mick's overall development has been kind of a disappointment. Falyn was supposed to be the second coming of christ, but her freshmen season certainly wasn't some standout performance, and then we all know she couldn't handle her business off the court she she was a waste of time. Players like Bateman, Shaw, and Olgard are solid for Pac-12 roll players, but they aren't what I would consider elite level players. Ruddins ended up being completely overrated. She went as the #2 overall recruit (would have been #1 had it not been for gods third child Carlini) and she's done next to nothing for USC on the pins, and has had decent success at MB this past year though she rarely had a strong performance against any ranked team. Nwanebu had a fantastic freshmen season but has been riddled with injury the past couple years, not to mention she transferred. Thankfully they realized early that Gillis wasn't going to give them anything and let her go. Still plenty of time left to see how players like Abercrombie, Ford, Johnson and future players like Lanier will shake out...but, like I said, many of USC's top billed recruits haven't really panned out like they should have, IMO. This past year looked great for USC, but how much of that was just from very low expectations because Mick and co. had one of their worst seasons in program history (despite having tons of talent) and the fact that Pac-12 was hit hard with graduation and injuries. Frankly, I think USC will continue to get top recruits, but they need some better results with them. I think being ranked #1 in the nation for most of the season is pretty great whether the prior season was good or bad. Falyn played pretty great her freshman actually. That was when USC was still running the high moon ball offense and she was getting kills with virtually 2 blockers in front of her every time. She was robbed of NFOY, IMO. year to year comparison is where you need to include expectations. Within year comparison is where SOS should be addressed. I'm not saying USC wasn't a strong team last year, but ignoring the lack of comparatively strong teams in the Pac-12 last year is kind of silly. The conference was hit hard with graduation and injury. The reality is that with the graduation/injury of terminal pin players like Vansant, Lowe, Simpson, Kingdon, Dalton, Brenner, Gardner, Burgess the Pac-12 as a conference lacked teams with consistent offense. Stanford, Washington, and UCLA were the only teams in conference that could match USC, and going by conference matchups on the whole, USC might be able to claim a slight advantage over these teams...might. And I never said Falyn's freshmen year was bad, what I said was that it wasn't anything special. There are a number of players who had equal, some better freshmen years. She hit under .250 so she wasn't some one woman wrecking ball all year. Sure she had fantastic games, but it wasn't always consistent and she wasn't anything to write home about in the backrow. Also, none of this matters as she left after her freshmen year, so, again, I put her squarely in the wasted effort for USC category. |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Feb 11, 2016 13:01:13 GMT -5
Like most freshmen, Falyn had an inconsistent first year, but was generally quite good. But that ignores the bigger picture at the time: her potential to become a dominant player over the next three years was there for all to see (for comparison's sake: Vansant hit in the .240's her freshman year. But everyone saw the talent beyond the numbers). As for it being a "wasted effort," meh - hindsight is 20/20. Everyone knew there were risks in recruiting FF, but that didn't stop every major program in the country (outside of Stanford) from going after her. And in her one year at USC, she did play a major role in getting them to the Final Four, which is far from a waste.
Personally, I look at USC as a series of "What If's" rather than just label them as underachievers. As in what if FF stayed in school? What if Nwanebu never jacked up her back? We'll never know, but it's quite possible we'd be having an entirely different conversation about USC right now. For sure, things haven't worked out the way Mick planned, but does that equate "underachieving?"
While there is perhaps an argument to made that USC underperformed to some degree in the recent past, there is also a strong argument that the Trojans overachieved in 2015 all the way up to the Kansas match. Sure, they had Bricio back. But they started the season with one experienced middle (Ogoms, who played the entire season dealing with a painful injury. She had a remarkable season, taking all things into account), a pin hitter-recently-turned-middle, shaky setting, no depth, and with freshmen inserted into key roles. And all of that while transitioning to a new offense. Coming into the season, I don't think anyone in the country figured USC as a national championship contender, but they were there right up to a forgettable evening in San Diego.
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