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Post by Phillytom on Aug 26, 2016 12:18:00 GMT -5
I don't understand the struggle with PSU and recruits. They are not locking them up like they used to? Kind of been wondering why? That is worth asking. The 2014 class was of course the No. 1 class in the country, but most of that class was recruited by 2012. So you could argue Rose has gone 3-4 years now without top-flight recruiting, after 15 years of great recruiting before that. I can't imagine why this would be the case, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe people see Rose as nearing retirement and PSU headed for coaching transition -- and the hiring of Salima Rockwell kind of reinforced it -- it looked like a succession move -- why would Rockwell have come back to PSU just to be an assistant. I imagine recruits are being told by other programs that Rose won't be around for their 4 years. I have no idea if this true by the way, Rose says he has no plans to retire, and PSU has extended his contract to try to send the right message. But doubts like that are hard to quell.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 12:35:42 GMT -5
I don't understand the struggle with PSU and recruits. They are not locking them up like they used to? Kind of been wondering why? That is worth asking. The 2014 class was of course the No. 1 class in the country, but most of that class was recruited by 2012. So you could argue Rose has gone 3-4 years now without top-flight recruiting, after 15 years of great recruiting before that. I can't imagine why this would be the case, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe people see Rose as nearing retirement and PSU headed for coaching transition -- and the hiring of Salima Rockwell kind of reinforced it -- it looked like a succession move -- why would Rockwell have come back to PSU just to be an assistant. I imagine recruits are being told by other programs that Rose won't be around for their 4 years. I have no idea if this true by the way, Rose says he has no plans to retire, and PSU has extended his contract to try to send the right message. But doubts like that are hard to quell. I have been thinking same thing for awhile now. Players don't like going places where coaching is uncertain. It would be great move by other programs to throw that idea out there.
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Post by future on Aug 26, 2016 12:53:35 GMT -5
I don't understand the struggle with PSU and recruits. They are not locking them up like they used to? Kind of been wondering why? That is worth asking. The 2014 class was of course the No. 1 class in the country, but most of that class was recruited by 2012. So you could argue Rose has gone 3-4 years now without top-flight recruiting, after 15 years of great recruiting before that. I can't imagine why this would be the case, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe people see Rose as nearing retirement and PSU headed for coaching transition -- and the hiring of Salima Rockwell kind of reinforced it -- it looked like a succession move -- why would Rockwell have come back to PSU just to be an assistant. I imagine recruits are being told by other programs that Rose won't be around for their 4 years. I have no idea if this true by the way, Rose says he has no plans to retire, and PSU has extended his contract to try to send the right message. But doubts like that are hard to quell. One would think that 2018 would be a big year, as PSU has , it seems, had a run of large classes every 3/4 years. As to when he will or should or some people hope (yeah those people are out there) Dean Smith retired at 67 Jim Boeheim is 71 Guys like Mike Krzyzewski (69) and Greg Popovich (67) , all clearly icons in their sports are still going strong. Coach Rose inked a 5 year deal and as far as I can tell the guy is still lucid. The guy is a pup.
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Post by hammer on Aug 26, 2016 13:06:27 GMT -5
That is worth asking. The 2014 class was of course the No. 1 class in the country, but most of that class was recruited by 2012. So you could argue Rose has gone 3-4 years now without top-flight recruiting, after 15 years of great recruiting before that. I can't imagine why this would be the case, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe people see Rose as nearing retirement and PSU headed for coaching transition -- and the hiring of Salima Rockwell kind of reinforced it -- it looked like a succession move -- why would Rockwell have come back to PSU just to be an assistant. I imagine recruits are being told by other programs that Rose won't be around for their 4 years. I have no idea if this true by the way, Rose says he has no plans to retire, and PSU has extended his contract to try to send the right message. But doubts like that are hard to quell. One would think that 2018 would be a big year, as PSU has , it seems, had a run of large classes every 3/4 years. As to when he will or should or some people hope (yeah those people are out there) Dean Smith retired at 67 Jim Boeheim is 71 Guys like Mike Krzyzewski (69) and Greg Popovich (67) , all clearly icons in their sports are still going strong. Coach Rose inked a 5 year deal and as far as I can tell the guy is still lucid. The guy is a pup. But not skinny ... and likes a good cut of meat. Of course he likes his wine too which might mitigate the high fat content in those steaks.
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 26, 2016 21:10:00 GMT -5
That is worth asking. The 2014 class was of course the No. 1 class in the country, but most of that class was recruited by 2012. So you could argue Rose has gone 3-4 years now without top-flight recruiting, after 15 years of great recruiting before that. I can't imagine why this would be the case, but it does seem to be the case. Maybe people see Rose as nearing retirement and PSU headed for coaching transition -- and the hiring of Salima Rockwell kind of reinforced it -- it looked like a succession move -- why would Rockwell have come back to PSU just to be an assistant. I imagine recruits are being told by other programs that Rose won't be around for their 4 years. I have no idea if this true by the way, Rose says he has no plans to retire, and PSU has extended his contract to try to send the right message. But doubts like that are hard to quell. I have been thinking same thing for awhile now. Players don't like going places where coaching is uncertain. It would be great move by other programs to throw that idea out there. Could very well be this. And that's a huge problem for PSU.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 26, 2016 23:37:47 GMT -5
I have been thinking same thing for awhile now. Players don't like going places where coaching is uncertain. It would be great move by other programs to throw that idea out there. Could very well be this. And that's a huge problem for PSU. You depress the heck out of me.
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Post by treesandwaves on Aug 27, 2016 13:34:07 GMT -5
Is there any way to watch the UNC match without BTN Subscription? Or is someone willing to be my night in shining armor 😅
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Post by akbar on Aug 28, 2016 6:21:54 GMT -5
So after this weekend we now know that this particular lineup will struggle once a good team and pressure is applied.
It was amazing what they could do when the opposing team couldn't generate offense, gave free balls or we were feeling good, but once the girls were forced to play side out vb .....nope the cracks appeared and strategic subbing also failed.
To me it doesn't matter which setter is in AT ALL if PSU is going to pass 2 most of the time and leave Lee and Frantti in backrow for most of the game.
In addition while on paper......this is a big one...Thelen's number's look good ,almost all her kills came on side out or transitions running middle or a slide like attack. She is NOT a threat in the opposite position and with that armswing will be very limited on out of system attack's where we would need it most....every team needs it.
If/when Clare Powers is ready she needs to get on the court in the opposite position and play all around....and and she can be the 3rd passer which will help immensely!
This will allow Lee to be subbed out of the back row every time and Frantti at least once for the group of Holcomb,Pierce and even Broerman who did a nice job...go with those three build their confidence and end the one mistake and done mantra. If you know your role and who you are going in for execution level goes up.
Teams already are targetting Frantti and she and for sure Lee missed way to many digs.
Lee should never have been in the back row at the start and throughtout in game 5 and it blew up.
The passing and defense will be stabilized and the production of our setters and hitters will go up.
In summation based on this weekend.
The team needs 2 passing/defending backrow subs for 1 oh all the time (Holcomb imo as she is a proven excellent passer - SHE needs to be on the floor more) and part time for the other(Pierce/Broerman)
Put Powers in as full time opposite when ready and put her in the passing rotation when needed.
M2 middle - it doesn't matterm
Setter - either one is fine once the passing and defense is sustained in a legit side out match.
As it stands this line up cannot go side out for side out with good teams.
Oh, I firmly believe this can and will be a very good team and once things are ironed out, one that can go deep in December. That ain't a pipe dream.
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 28, 2016 8:07:16 GMT -5
Could very well be this. And that's a huge problem for PSU. You depress the heck out of me. More than what just happened last night?
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Post by bkedane on Aug 28, 2016 10:35:39 GMT -5
So after this weekend we now know that this particular lineup will struggle once a good team and pressure is applied. It was amazing what they could do when the opposing team couldn't generate offense, gave free balls or we were feeling good, but once the girls were forced to play side out vb .....nope the cracks appeared and strategic subbing also failed. To me it doesn't matter which setter is in AT ALL if PSU is going to pass 2 most of the time and leave Lee and Frantti in backrow for most of the game. In addition while on paper......this is a big one...Thelen's number's look good ,almost all her kills came on side out or transitions running middle or a slide like attack. She is NOT a threat in the opposite position and with that armswing will be very limited on out of system attack's where we would need it most....every team needs it. If/when Clare Powers is ready she needs to get on the court in the opposite position and play all around....and and she can be the 3rd passer which will help immensely! This will allow Lee to be subbed out of the back row every time and Frantti at least once for the group of Holcomb,Pierce and even Broerman who did a nice job...go with those three build their confidence and end the one mistake and done mantra. If you know your role and who you are going in for execution level goes up. Teams already are targetting Frantti and she and for sure Lee missed way to many digs. Lee should never have been in the back row at the start and throughtout in game 5 and it blew up. The passing and defense will be stabilized and the production of our setters and hitters will go up. In summation based on this weekend. The team needs 2 passing/defending backrow subs for 1 oh all the time (Holcomb imo as she is a proven excellent passer - SHE needs to be on the floor more) and part time for the other(Pierce/Broerman) Put Powers in as full time opposite when ready and put her in the passing rotation when needed. M2 middle - it doesn't matterm Setter - either one is fine once the passing and defense is sustained in a legit side out match. As it stands this line up cannot go side out for side out with good teams. Oh, I firmly believe this can and will be a very good team and once things are ironed out, one that can go deep in December. That ain't a pipe dream. Have you seen something from Powers at some point in her career that tells you she's a better opposite "when ready" than Thelen? Or is that point more an expression of hope?
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 28, 2016 10:44:48 GMT -5
A rough year for PSU is second or third in B1G and not making final four! You all are spoiled! LOL I'm thinking more like 5th this year. This team is not going to be good. You've got good instincts.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 10:54:06 GMT -5
They have one of top setter(blossom) and top Liberos(Hampton) comming in 2018 but what worries me is weiskircher was one of top setters in her class to and she hasn't delivered. I know she sat a year behind micha but she has last year to get in figured out. I know it's still early but I Havnt seen anything to suggest things have changed yet.
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Post by canda on Aug 28, 2016 11:05:27 GMT -5
Is there any way to watch the UNC match without BTN Subscription? Or is someone willing to be my night in shining armor 😅 Why depress yourself...unless you're a UNC fan. It was good this went 5 sets. We could have swept, because we led 22-20 in the second set. Lee just had two dynamite serves, but inexplicably Coach replaced her with Pierce, who served long, then we gave up 4 straight. By going 5, we revealed many of our problems, which we would not have seen if we swept the match. On the other hand, maybe we would have entered next week's matches against Colorado and Stanford with more confidence. If this team has any fortitude, pride, and determination, it will come out next weekend with an edge, and play tough. Just don't know if the team has those kind of players. They're great girls, who try hard. So, I'm behind them 100%, and they represent the academic and athletic standards of the University well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:10:56 GMT -5
Is there any way to watch the UNC match without BTN Subscription? Or is someone willing to be my night in shining armor 😅 Why depress yourself...unless you're a UNC fan. It was good this went 5 sets. We could have swept, because we led 22-20 in the second set. Lee just had two dynamite serves, but inexplicably Coach replaced her with Pierce, who served long, then we gave up 4 straight. By going 5, we revealed many of our problems, which we would not have seen if we swept the match. On the other hand, maybe we would have entered next week's matches against Colorado and Stanford with more confidence. If this team has any fortitude, pride, and determination, it will come out next weekend with an edge, and play tough. Just don't know if the team has those kind of players. They're great girls, who try hard. So, I'm behind them 100%, and they represent the academic and athletic standards of the University well. Wearing the jersey has a expectation that comes with it. Psu had always had players with that fire and passion in past. They had true leaders. Yes they have their captains this year but are they true leaders. True leaders would be pissed with events of last night and would be lighting up there team during that match. Good leaders can bring a sense of calmness to the floor also when things get tight. That is severely lacking. The three that come to mind first are Hancock, hodge, and brown . Oh slay was pretty good also.
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Post by akbar on Aug 28, 2016 11:14:52 GMT -5
Have you seen something from Powers at some point in her career that tells you she's a better opposite "when ready" than Thelen? Or is that point more an expression of hope? Hmm. Admittedly hopeful musing for that one as that is the only player other than Frantti who has collegiate 6 rotation experience. Ultimately, it really wasn't as much about the opposite position but more about the passing/defense stability while managing sub count. Playing to their strengths of each player and not asking for an overall ga me if it doesnt exist. White can't pass that court alone.
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