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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 11:18:19 GMT -5
Have you seen something from Powers at some point in her career that tells you she's a better opposite "when ready" than Thelen? Or is that point more an expression of hope? Hmm. Admittedly hopeful musing for that one as that is the only player other than Frantti who has collegiate 6 rotation experience. Ultimately, it really wasn't as much about the opposite position but more about the passing/defense stability while managing sub count. Playing to their strengths of each player and not asking for an overall ga me if it doesnt exist. White can't pass that court alone. . I hope her skill and time at psu doesn't get wasted with lack of team around her. The only positive is we have a great libero comming in right after her in Hampton
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Post by treesandwaves on Aug 28, 2016 11:27:58 GMT -5
Is there any way to watch the UNC match without BTN Subscription? Or is someone willing to be my night in shining armor 😅 Why depress yourself...unless you're a UNC fan. It was good this went 5 sets. We could have swept, because we led 22-20 in the second set. Lee just had two dynamite serves, but inexplicably Coach replaced her with Pierce, who served long, then we gave up 4 straight. By going 5, we revealed many of our problems, which we would not have seen if we swept the match. On the other hand, maybe we would have entered next week's matches against Colorado and Stanford with more confidence. If this team has any fortitude, pride, and determination, it will come out next weekend with an edge, and play tough. Just don't know if the team has those kind of players. They're great girls, who try hard. So, I'm behind them 100%, and they represent the academic and athletic standards of the University well. I like your assessment a lot...but DAMN do I want to win!
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 28, 2016 12:46:04 GMT -5
So after this weekend we now know that this particular lineup will struggle once a good team and pressure is applied. It was amazing what they could do when the opposing team couldn't generate offense, gave free balls or we were feeling good, but once the girls were forced to play side out vb .....nope the cracks appeared and strategic subbing also failed. To me it doesn't matter which setter is in AT ALL if PSU is going to pass 2 most of the time and leave Lee and Frantti in backrow for most of the game. In addition while on paper......this is a big one...Thelen's number's look good ,almost all her kills came on side out or transitions running middle or a slide like attack. She is NOT a threat in the opposite position and with that armswing will be very limited on out of system attack's where we would need it most....every team needs it. If/when Clare Powers is ready she needs to get on the court in the opposite position and play all around....and and she can be the 3rd passer which will help immensely! This will allow Lee to be subbed out of the back row every time and Frantti at least once for the group of Holcomb,Pierce and even Broerman who did a nice job...go with those three build their confidence and end the one mistake and done mantra. If you know your role and who you are going in for execution level goes up. Teams already are targetting Frantti and she and for sure Lee missed way to many digs. Lee should never have been in the back row at the start and throughtout in game 5 and it blew up. The passing and defense will be stabilized and the production of our setters and hitters will go up. In summation based on this weekend. The team needs 2 passing/defending backrow subs for 1 oh all the time (Holcomb imo as she is a proven excellent passer - SHE needs to be on the floor more) and part time for the other(Pierce/Broerman) Put Powers in as full time opposite when ready and put her in the passing rotation when needed. M2 middle - it doesn't matterm Setter - either one is fine once the passing and defense is sustained in a legit side out match. As it stands this line up cannot go side out for side out with good teams. Oh, I firmly believe this can and will be a very good team and once things are ironed out, one that can go deep in December. That ain't a pipe dream. I would include blocking too. I miss the days of Slay, Harmotto, and Wilson. It just seems like Washington is just too slow to close the block.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 28, 2016 12:47:11 GMT -5
You depress the heck out of me. More than what just happened last night? But the thing is...nothing ever comes out of you is positive, even when we win championships. Sure, I can take the reality of the current Penn State team. But I will wait after watching the match. Whereas you already predicted the dire outcome, well in advance, every week. Just like I am sure you already predict disaster next week vs. Colorado and Stanford. Why even follow a losing team that is Penn State women's volleyball at all if you are going to be like that? Begging for a punishment?
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Post by akbar on Aug 28, 2016 13:02:14 GMT -5
So after this weekend we now know that this particular lineup will struggle once a good team and pressure is applied. It was amazing what they could do when the opposing team couldn't generate offense, gave free balls or we were feeling good, but once the girls were forced to play side out vb .....nope the cracks appeared and strategic subbing also failed. To me it doesn't matter which setter is in AT ALL if PSU is going to pass 2 most of the time and leave Lee and Frantti in backrow for most of the game. In addition while on paper......this is a big one...Thelen's number's look good ,almost all her kills came on side out or transitions running middle or a slide like attack. She is NOT a threat in the opposite position and with that armswing will be very limited on out of system attack's where we would need it most....every team needs it. If/when Clare Powers is ready she needs to get on the court in the opposite position and play all around....and and she can be the 3rd passer which will help immensely! This will allow Lee to be subbed out of the back row every time and Frantti at least once for the group of Holcomb,Pierce and even Broerman who did a nice job...go with those three build their confidence and end the one mistake and done mantra. If you know your role and who you are going in for execution level goes up. Teams already are targetting Frantti and she and for sure Lee missed way to many digs. Lee should never have been in the back row at the start and throughtout in game 5 and it blew up. The passing and defense will be stabilized and the production of our setters and hitters will go up. In summation based on this weekend. The team needs 2 passing/defending backrow subs for 1 oh all the time (Holcomb imo as she is a proven excellent passer - SHE needs to be on the floor more) and part time for the other(Pierce/Broerman) Put Powers in as full time opposite when ready and put her in the passing rotation when needed. M2 middle - it doesn't matterm Setter - either one is fine once the passing and defense is sustained in a legit side out match. As it stands this line up cannot go side out for side out with good teams. Oh, I firmly believe this can and will be a very good team and once things are ironed out, one that can go deep in December. That ain't a pipe dream. I would include blocking too. I miss the days of Slay, Harmotto, and Wilson. It just seems like Washington is just too slow to close the block. All 3 are/became professionals. Slay's technique was perfect and even if she was late took up so much space. Harmotto was freakishly strong and power moving pin to pin. Unfair to compare. Haleigh's body language and effort last night as the match wore on was not what I expected from an upperclassmen. I'll leave it at that. I'm sure it will be addressed.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 28, 2016 13:13:47 GMT -5
I would include blocking too. I miss the days of Slay, Harmotto, and Wilson. It just seems like Washington is just too slow to close the block. All 3 are/became professionals. Slay's technique was perfect and even if she was late took up so much space. Harmotto was freakishly strong and power moving pin to pin. Unfair to compare. Haleigh's body language and effort last night as the match wore on was not what I expected from an upperclassmen. I'll leave it at that. I'm sure it will be addressed. The three I mentioned are now professionals. Definitely. That is what Washington aspires (i.e. Olympics). So I expect the same standard, if she wants to be like them. So, it is very comparable. I am not comparing her to their professional careers. I am comparing her to when they were at her stage in the development. If she doesn't have it in her, then she doesn't have it. So I will just lower my standard, quoted from Joe Paterno. Also, none of those three were the #1 recruit overall like Washington. So the expectation was already assumed. But either way, we need better blocks. We can't just keep trading points with the other team and expect to win every matches.
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Post by MTC on Aug 28, 2016 15:17:09 GMT -5
I don't think you should expect to win the big matches, I would just settle for improving.
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Post by seeyajohn on Aug 28, 2016 15:48:57 GMT -5
"If/when Clare Powers is ready she needs to get on the court in the opposite position and play all around....and and she can be the 3rd passer which will help immensely!"
Tell me more. What does "is ready" mean?
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Post by vbprisoner on Aug 28, 2016 19:18:16 GMT -5
What's kind of funny is all the woe is me posts from the PSU faithful. PSU could actually move up a spot or two because of all the crap that took place above them. Hawaii and USC will obviously fall from the top 10. Not saying PSU will move up but if they drop it won't be that far.
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 28, 2016 20:05:40 GMT -5
What's kind of funny is all the woe is me posts from the PSU faithful. PSU could actually move up a spot or two because of all the crap that took place above them. Hawaii and USC will obviously fall from the top 10. Not saying PSU will move up but if they drop it won't be that far. Ranking isn't a big deal. Actually winning matches is. I don't care if we can move up despite the loss to UNC when we, in fact, lost to UNC.
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Post by SuperSpike on Sept 4, 2016 11:28:26 GMT -5
How big of an impact did Steve Aird have? Seems like he hit the ground running at Maryland.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 4, 2016 11:48:03 GMT -5
How big of an impact did Steve Aird have? Seems like he hit the ground running at Maryland. He was only there for one title. I do think that the overall level of staff turnover has to be something you look at.
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Post by Northern lights on Sept 4, 2016 12:51:37 GMT -5
Here is what I saw last night.
- The body language between RR and Salima looked strained. Saw them chirping at eachother a few times.
- If Lee wants to lead this team, is has to start on the court, great talent way too unpredictable.
- Washington and Franti both looked bad, Franti is not a 6 rotation in the Penn State mold, and Washington is slowing down laterally, and does not get set well or enough.
- who is the leader?
- setting is just bad, way to many trap sets resulting in nasty blocks.
- White can pass, which makes the setting look even worse.
- Tori Gorrell looked good, let her play do the talking.
- The Right side position is not scaring other teams, regardless of stats.
Lots of hard work ahead for these girls, no way RR goes down without a fight. I have only really watched Penn State since around 08, and this to me is clearly his biggest challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 14:08:51 GMT -5
After taking sometime to think about things I've decided rather then get mad which takes a hell of lot on energy, appreciate the incredible run they had. A lot of people are greedy, me having been one of them. Many programs would die to have one national championship under their belt. I know with me I said I just wanted one but after that I just wanted two and so on. It's never enough it seems. They will be back at some point. I just had this delusion in my head that they would be that uconn women's basketball at volleyball, where they win a lot of national championships but are always a top team even when they don't.
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Post by hammer on Sept 4, 2016 14:24:30 GMT -5
Here is what I saw last night. - The body language between RR and Salima looked strained. Saw them chirping at eachother a few times. - If Lee wants to lead this team, is has to start on the court, great talent way too unpredictable. - Washington and Franti both looked bad, Franti is not a 6 rotation in the Penn State mold, and Washington is slowing down laterally, and does not get set well or enough. - who is the leader? - setting is just bad, way to many trap sets resulting in nasty blocks. - White can pass, which makes the setting look even worse. - Tori Gorrell looked good, let her play do the talking. - The Right side position is not scaring other teams, regardless of stats. Lots of hard work ahead for these girls, no way RR goes down without a fight. I have only really watched Penn State since around 08, and this to me is clearly his biggest challenge. Observations: 1. Lee should not be jump serving. 2. Washington's blocking technique needs an overhaul. 3. Frantti's passing was ok last night, but she's not a 2 person serve receive stud. 4. I like PSU's L play. 5. Lee and Frantti are good pin hitters but they just need to cut down on the unforced errors. 6. Setting problem is hard to fix.
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