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Post by IdahoBoy on May 4, 2004 4:13:43 GMT -5
Simplycurious, great post with some good incite. Thanks for the work you put into it. I had omitted Stokes because as much as I respect her, I really don't think she is ready for Pac-10 quite yet. Launiere was another I omitted, but probably most likely because I forgot. GatorVball. Does Florida have their own building for volleyball? And a nice one at that. Totally remodelled just two-three years ago and in excellent shape. I think you took some time to bash the Coug's program without doing research. I would also like to see the reference to any ranking that says Florida's facilities are #1 across the board. Pac10Fn. I don't see any of those candidates winning the position and I'm acquainted with most of them. You did, however forget Eastern Washington, but I highly doubt that Wade Benson will even apply. BonJoeV. I truly hope that Ken doesn't apply as well. He will be needed in Moscow for the Final Four run this season.  Volleyball101. What's with the elipses? Only likewoah14 gets to use them like that around here. |
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Post by IdahoBoy on May 4, 2004 4:44:50 GMT -5
Gator, I don't want to get in an argument with you, but every time I read this post of yours, I get annoyed. Argh. Here's a better breakdown: Absolutely!! WSU is a dream job for A LOT of college coaches, and a VERY good position to prove one's worth! The AD rewards victories and attendance with $$. The community is cheap to live in! Those candidates with families will enjoy the excellent schools in Pullman and the great family values in the community. See above. Also, ample volleyball opportunities in the region to network with. A supportive community and a large fan base. Great facilities and a very good school to recruit to academically. There are already indications that some will not fully depart... we'll see how that plays out. If these players were bad apples, as some people suggest, than an easier job to bring in new players, just one year to suffer through... but, there are a few uncommitted kids out there that would be able to play at WSU... I DEFINITELY beg to differ! The location is exquisite! The only place on earth that I moved from that area is freakin' Hawaii! Paradise begets paradise. What exactly is par? WSU is perpetually a top 20 attendance drawer. They have a very nice court and a designed intimate setting. Their own volleyball building!! Great overall athletics facilities and a top 10 football team! Again? How often do they rennovate in Florida?! She done good. Looking forward to seeing what happens at Iowa. Be prepared to be surprised then! Are you saying you don't think any of these candidates would be extremely interested?? I think even your precious Mary Wise is staying up tonight mulling it over. Seriously, she'll always have playing in the weak SEC as a pock on her back... but she could really prove herself as an amazing coach if she won in Pullman! That, I am convinced is impossible to do. Isn't Florida a state the people retire TO and not FROM? C'mon... you know she's gonna bail eventually. |
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Post by Xplaya on May 4, 2004 6:43:33 GMT -5
I would throw in Brian Hosfeld and Terry Lyschevich (mentioned, I believe) as possible candidates. I do agree with Gator that Mary will retire as a gator coach. She built that program from nothing and has it going on there ala Shoji in Hawaii (not at the same celebrity rock star level, but close). She's not going anywhere. Beth Laniere.....interesting.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2004 8:04:09 GMT -5
I don't believe Peterson is at UNI for the "long haul." At some point, she will have to make the choice of whether she wants to stay there or move to the next level.
She may stay there. But it's not a given.
But it has to be frustrating to know you'll never have the recruiting advantages of Big10, Pac10, Big12, etc. conference programs.
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Post by vbfan on May 4, 2004 10:03:18 GMT -5
Simply Curious: Very good list. The Jerriott Elliott idea intrigues me because obviously they do not have a problem with nepotism (people who married coaching together) so Jerriott could hire Sarah as an assistant and make a truckload of money. The question, is he a good enough coach. He is a proven recruiter, but look at the talent he has gotten at Texas and he couldn't even make the tournament in one of the Big 12's more down years. Also if he does not do well at Texas this year (top 3 in conference/make NCAA Tourney/Top 25 ranking) he is gone. Maybe this is an opportunity to get out while there is a PAC-10 job available although if he waits till next year, Oregon will open up.
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Post by buster on May 4, 2004 10:34:36 GMT -5
OK, my turn:
Wazzu is a peach--outstanding facilities, they have their own gym, top wt. room, coach office, lockerroom, etc. etc--and are THE women's team on campus (and probably get better support than Men's BB). Also, I would almost guarantee that Cindy had one of the highest salaries in the nation--so the WSU admin will put $$ where their mouth is.
Coaches: liked IB's list but I think the NW ties(mentioned earlier) will win out. #1 candidate has to be Idaho Head Coach Buchanon--young, up-and-coming, played at USC, grew up 80 miles away, knows how to do it at this physical location. And how are you going to recruit to Idaho anymore now that they are in the Sun Belt?
Dark Horse: Diane Flick at Western WA.--former Assoc. HC at Washington, built high quality program at Western WA.
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Post by simplycurious on May 4, 2004 11:29:55 GMT -5
Simplycurious: Very good list. The Jerriott Elliott idea intrigues me because obviously they do not have a problem with nepotism (people who married coaching together) so Jerriott could hire Sarah as an assistant and make a truckload of money. The question, is he a good enough coach. He is a proven recruiter, but look at the talent he has gotten at Texas and he couldn't even make the tournament in one of the Big 12's more down years. Also if he does not do well at Texas this year (top 3 in conference/make NCAA Tourney/Top 25 ranking) he is gone. Maybe this is an opportunity to get out while there is a PAC-10 job available although if he waits till next year, Oregon will open up. Thanks, I'm well aware of Jerritt's situation in TX (which is all I'll divulge in this area) and why I said some people might be surprised that he's on my list. However, he is familiar with the Pac-10 (ala USC prior to Mick's arrival and then during the 'transition year' when they made the Final Four) and would (perhaps) best be suited there rather then at TX. You have to understand the TX mentality - they feel they're better then everyone else in every way (perhaps a generalization, but not much of one). They've been on him since his arrival and to-a-point it's understood, since he came with such 'high expectations' in the coaching community: hot off a Final Four appearance and to a program where is former boss made a 'big name' for himself (are you beginning to 'see the loop'? ) Also, I know Sarah has been conducting clinics and private lessons for awhile now, so the 'leap' into college coaching wouldn't be a big one (IMHO). Plus, I think the change would be good for Jerritt. He's been showing the signs of stress for quite awhile now and I'd hate to see him driven from the game by his present employers and surrounding peers/judges (and believe me, there are plenty of those people in TX)! The one thing that could present a 'problem' with him being seriously considered is his schedule. He's getting married this week and then the team is headed to Europe for 10 days. So, it'd be difficult for WSU to have him in for an interview or anything like that. Now I know concessions can be made for unusual circumstances such as this (and often they are when people are truly interested in a candidate), I'm just not sure that Jerritt will be in that position on WSU's list of candidates. Another thing to consider is an observation that was shared with me by someone who I think has a pretty good perpective on things and knows Jerritt fairly well. This individual said they felt the area that Jerritt was struggling with at TX was in the training of the players. There was no doubt in this person's mind that he could recruit quality players (he's done it every year he's been there), however, the number of injuries and things that have happened (coupled with the 'underachievement' of players who are so highly touted) has brought some (perhaps) undo scrutiny upon him (and his staff). Now, with all of that said I still don't think he'll get the consideration he deserves, but it's a possibility that I wouldn't rule out! Only time will tell (as Asia once sang), but I still feel they'll try and hire a female candidate if at all possible. Which brings me back to Beth (Utah) and possibly Susie (K-St), although I like the idea raised in another post of someone from the NW who isn't necessarily a 'big name'. I could see that (potentially) happening as well. Who knows (well, maybe IB, but who else knows?), I guess we'll have to wait and see! |
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Post by Rainforest on May 4, 2004 11:32:04 GMT -5
And jerritt's mate Sarah Silvernail graduated from Washington State and is a big legend up there.
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Post by simplycurious on May 4, 2004 11:52:17 GMT -5
And jerritt's mate Sarah Silvernail graduated from Washington State and is a big legend up there. Yes, something I mentioned in my first post! |
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Post by Rainforest on May 4, 2004 11:54:19 GMT -5
The most interesting question is, of course, why Sarah would hook up with Jerritt in the first place. And vice versa. That's really not a match. But I digress. What of love do I know?
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Post by WSUsuperfan on May 4, 2004 17:04:34 GMT -5
Let's put together a list here... - The candidate should posess an ability to recruit and train at the highest levels.
- Deal with IdahoBoy being a critic of the program
- Be able to manage the Stimson Hall guys (primarily, keep them on your good list, these guys are a big reason WSU volleyball is good at home
- Be able to survive in a small college town
- Maintain a high standard for athletes on and off the court. Volleyball players in Pullman are role models to approximately the same ratio as in Hawaii (or Nebraska?) but just not as many kids to pull from for huge numbers.
I think my previous posts have made it abundantly clear that my volleyball knowledge barely extends to the edge of Pullman, let alone enough to be aware of coaches nationwide. Regardless, I feel compelled to comment on this. I'm really sad to hear that Cindy and Farokh are heading out, however I understand Cindy's desire to return home. They have been ridiculously kind to me and to the Superfans. They put volleyball on the map in Pullman and I hope their successors will be able to build on that foundation. I'm in complete agreement with your criteria for a coach. Being able to compete in the Pac-10 is undoubtedly important. I'm hopeful that WSU will hire a coach that is a capable winner but more importantly to me, someone who will be as in-touch with the community as Cindy and Farokh. As was eluded to earlier, volleyball is THE women's sport at WSU. Obviously I hope that Jim Sterk makes this a big priority, though I'm not completely confident in his commitment to volleyball. As far as managing the Superfans goes, the new coach needn't worry too much. We're a pretty low-maintenence group. I just hope that whomever is hired will choose to make a connection with the Stimson guys like Cindy, Farokh and Jen did. We're loyal to Cougar Volleyball and right now that's BILL (Allison Billingsley), the remaining Cougar squad and Jonnell Peterson (greatest office assistant in the world). On a more personal note, does anyone know how this affects summer camps? Farokh had unofficially hired me to work this summer at WSU, but will he even be here? Will the other coaches know? BLAH! I'm freakin' out! Hey Pac10Fn, need a ball-shagger at your camp? |
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Post by cougarize on May 5, 2004 19:03:20 GMT -5
If I were to add my two cents, and the cougarize moniker is because I'm a BYU fan, not WSU, I would say that if a higher profile coach is hired, then it will probably be a man. If WSU decides to go low profile, then it will be a woman.
As far as names already bandied about, I've got to defend my coach. Karen Lamb has a great volleyball mind, and has sucessfully head coached at several large universities, including UNLV and WSU. She was only at WSU for a couple of seasons, but was far from the worst coach WSU has ever had. The reason why she's moved around is because of her husband, Barry Lamb who is a football coach. Even if she was offered the WSU head coaching position, she wouldn't think twice before turning it down. Barry is still a coach in Provo, and the situation is too good for her in Provo. Save the top teams in the top conferences in the country (USC, Stanford, Nebraska, etc.) BYU has the ability to recruit extremely well. I trust Karen and her ability to lead BYU back into being a perennial top 20 team like its always been.
Getting back to the task at hand. Coach Fritz has family in Kansas and the Big 12 is not a shabby conference to be in, so she'd stay put. Besides, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Jim M., why would someone that has actually had to endure the man? Coach Launiere is a great coach. She has done a great job with Utah, and has always maximized the talent they have. But it would be hard to see her leaving SLC ... althogh with kim turner now graduated and the team looking to transition, now would be a better time than any. If any coach is going to break my low/high profile theory, it will be Beth. Also if I were Coach Buchanan wouldn't I be puzzled by a move to the Sunbelt? But I doubt she's going anywhere.
As far as a male goes, Burt Fuller is a solid coach and is a little shallow on head exprerience, but I think he could do the job.
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Post by Mumsie on May 5, 2004 19:12:34 GMT -5
Also if I were Coach Buchanan wouldn't I be puzzled by a move to the Sunbelt? But I doubt she's going anywhere. I'm sure Coach Buchanan is perfectly clear on the reasons for the move to the SunBelt. And, it didn't have anything to do with women's volleyball. I doubt that she's puzzled. Annoyed, maybe. |
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Post by IdahoBoy on May 5, 2004 19:19:33 GMT -5
I'm sure Coach Buchanan is perfectly clear on the reasons for the move to the SunBelt. And, it didn't have anything to do with women's volleyball. I doubt that she's puzzled. Annoyed, maybe. I still think that Idaho will be in the WAC in '05. |
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Post by Tiruray2004 on May 5, 2004 19:24:20 GMT -5
You guys forgot all about Deitre Collins! She is available and I heard has been approached for coaching opportunities.
She'll be a good candidate for WSU.
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