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Post by ebes1099 on Jul 26, 2016 14:27:02 GMT -5
With what money to pay for said sports? Football is one of the few collegiate sports that actually makes money and pays for many of the other sports to happen. But, yes, I get your point that it takes up a lot of the men's scholarships and really limits the options for other men's sports. Possibly a much better alternative would be to not include football in the equation that determines the percentages that affect the ruling of Title IX. Football is the only true money maker at certainly most of the colleges and because of that skewing to revenue, should just be accepted as its own entity. Because the sport generates the bulk of income, if it was eliminated from the equation it would open the doors for additional men's sports like volleyball. I dont think that any womens or mens sports program are naive enough to doubt that the gate generated by college football makes other less attended sports possible on the campuses across the nation. And I doubt many would lobby for it's elimination. Sounds good to me. I would love to see more sports in either gender for people to compete in. It's sad how men's baseball and men's hockey were eliminated at many schools. Even men's soccer isn't that prevalent outside of certain regions. Football just dominates the men's scholarships and you lose out on the opportunities for other sports.
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Post by ardatak on Jul 26, 2016 14:41:24 GMT -5
With what money to pay for said sports? Football is one of the few collegiate sports that actually makes money and pays for many of the other sports to happen. But, yes, I get your point that it takes up a lot of the men's scholarships and really limits the options for other men's sports. Possibly a much better alternative would be to not include football in the equation that determines the percentages that affect the ruling of Title IX. Football is the only true money maker at certainly most of the colleges and because of that skewing to revenue, should just be accepted as its own entity. Because the sport generates the bulk of income, if it was eliminated from the equation it would open the doors for additional men's sports like volleyball. I dont think that any womens or mens sports program are naive enough to doubt that the gate generated by college football makes other less attended sports possible on the campuses across the nation. And I doubt many would lobby for it's elimination.
That's not a bad idea. Not to mention that some of the other men's sports that would be able to get off the ground could now begin to generate additional revenue themselves. However, asking the powers that be to exclude football from counting as a sport would be tough political sell. Not to mention, ultimately you're asking the colleges to pocket less of the revenue and reinvest more of it in other sports.
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Post by blastingsand on Aug 7, 2016 0:16:54 GMT -5
Men's volleyball in all forms is pretty dying or in a stalemate. It took a big hit from Title IX. Not a lot of opportunities to advance, not a lot of incentives for kids to want to start it. It's become so exclusive to specific regions/demographics that only it's almost like golf/tennis.
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Post by gobears on Aug 7, 2016 11:21:37 GMT -5
Men's indoor vb at the D3 level is adding several teams every year. NAIA is expanding as well.
I agree that club men's sand vball is the way to go next.
Cal has 32 club sports, no reason men's sand couldn't be added....as club sports fund their own programs.
We have two sand courts for our D1 NCAA sand women's team, with chatter about a different expanded venue coming...closer to middle of campus. I forsee sand popularity increasing on our campus. Plenty of fans for the women's sand team.
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Post by akbar on Aug 10, 2016 18:44:40 GMT -5
Men's volleyball in all forms is pretty dying or in a stalemate. It took a big hit from Title IX. Not a lot of opportunities to advance, not a lot of incentives for kids to want to start it. It's become so exclusive to specific regions/demographics that only it's almost like golf/tennis. Uninformed post. Title IX was passed in 1972. Boys/Men's volleyball has seen tremendous growth and especially in the last 10 years.
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Post by haze on Aug 10, 2016 19:35:56 GMT -5
Indoor is in a good place. Beach is a very up in the air for USA volleyball on the men's side. Right now it does not look good.
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Post by rogero1 on Aug 10, 2016 22:01:41 GMT -5
Football is entrenched in American sports due to the amount of money gambled.
Volleyball (indoor or beach, men's or women's) is viewed as an Olympic money losing sport as almost every other Olympic sport (except for men's basketball) by nearly every school in this country (except for Hawaii & Nebraska).
Men's D2 & D3 programs are growing because schools look at teams as a way of increasing enrollment. Look at D1 rosters and you will see that most programs have more than 12 players on them because the 13th player on down is helping foot the bill for those that are on an athletic scholarship. For D3, everyone on the team is helping to pay for the program.
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Post by gobears on Aug 11, 2016 12:49:33 GMT -5
Men's D1 vb indoor does not have 12 scholies. It has 4.5. Coaches spread the 4.5 scholies among as many plyrs as they want, I believe. Whoever chose the 4.5 At least as a start that # should be increased....maybe gradually... add one every other year, till it gets to 12?
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Post by blastingsand on Aug 11, 2016 14:14:58 GMT -5
Men's volleyball in all forms is pretty dying or in a stalemate. It took a big hit from Title IX. Not a lot of opportunities to advance, not a lot of incentives for kids to want to start it. It's become so exclusive to specific regions/demographics that only it's almost like golf/tennis. Uninformed post. Title IX was passed in 1972. Boys/Men's volleyball has seen tremendous growth and especially in the last 10 years. Not uninformed. Every sport has "grown" over the last ten years. The population has gotten bigger. But what difference have we really seen. Those numbers don't mean anything. The sport (in the men's side) is still exclusive to specific groups and demographics and we all know it. But back on topic, I don't think we see Men's College Sand Volleyball for another 50 years.
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Post by unrated on Aug 11, 2016 21:35:57 GMT -5
Uninformed post. Title IX was passed in 1972. Boys/Men's volleyball has seen tremendous growth and especially in the last 10 years. Not uninformed. Every sport has "grown" over the last ten years. The population has gotten bigger. But what difference have we really seen. Those numbers don't mean anything. The sport (in the men's side) is still exclusive to specific groups and demographics and we all know it. But back on topic, I don't think we see Men's College Sand Volleyball for another 50 years. If we're starting a pool, I'll go with 10 years. Men's indoor continues to grow, and beach will follow, with club teams starting up as part of a grassroots effort. Also in the crystal ball: Support for men's beach is crystallized in 2020, when the women continue to dominate and the men do not medal.
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